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Posted: 1/16/2006 2:51:45 AM EDT
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Arsenal 101-S (post ban style) very easy to keep all shots on the 6" diameter aiming black on a 100 yard military target bull ( maybe 2 1/2 or 3 MOA)
At 200 yards no problem keeping everything on a action pistol silhouette target. Using Wolf or Silver Bear gives the same results. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 4:47:41 AM EDT
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My suggestion is for you to get an milled Arsenal AK. They seem to hold tighter groups than a Stamped AK. IMO. All my stamped AK's shoot about a 6"-8" group at 100 . The milled AK's I have shoot about 3"-4" . About half. Thats shooting on a Bench in a rest at 100 yds. The most accurate AK I have personally ever witnessed is an Chinese Mak 90. ( MILLED ). Good Luck Wardawg
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Posted: 1/16/2006 4:48:11 AM EDT
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4" is the normal limit of a Romy imho, but an AMD63 is 3" for me, and the SAM7SF is on the tight side of 2.5".
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Posted: 1/16/2006 7:01:15 AM EDT
[#4]
3 inch groups at 100 yards on my arsenal sam7 carbine ban style...i use portuguese 762 shoots well
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Posted: 1/16/2006 9:44:15 AM EDT
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I also would just like to say that my groups are with Wolf. If I tried different ammo it might get tighter. I believe the standar for measureing a group fired at 100 yds/M's is a five shot group .Got to count the flyer round also. , Go Milled...... Mak or a Arsenal.. WarDawg
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Posted: 1/16/2006 11:28:38 AM EDT
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My RML Maadi 25 yds (for fun) almost cutting one hole, 75 yards things open up a bit, can keep em in the black (folgers coffee lid approx 4") 100 yards 6" groups.
AMD-65 my home build, you probably won't believe it but about the same. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 12:26:32 PM EDT
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I've never actually put a single one of my guns on paper so I can't give you a group size. But when my eyes are up to the task, I can hit a approximately 12"x30" plate our club has at 400 yards with nearly every shot with my SA M-7 R with no optic (yet!). I have 2 other 7.62x39 AKs that I can't duplicate this with, a Chinese pre-ban and a Hungarian SA85M.
We also have 12" gongs at 100 and 200 yards and anyone can hit them with pretty much any shouldered rifle. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 4:15:46 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I've never actually put a single one of my guns on paper so I can't give you a group size. But when my eyes are up to the task, I can hit a approximately 12"x30" plate our club has at 400 yards with nearly every shot with my SA M-7 R with no optic (yet!) That is impressive, considering the range 400 yards! Wow! |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 4:26:45 PM EDT
[#9]
16" vepr will do that easy, mine will keep a whole mag inside 4" @ 100yd.
if you count 3 shot groups, then mine is a 1moa gun. 
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:45:21 AM EDT
[#10]
btt
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:43:51 AM EDT
[#11]
I have a Yugo M70 that I built from a kit myself and I can get 3" groups at 100 yards with it.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:46:55 AM EDT
[#12]
Global 1.6 Polish build. 3.0MOA. No exagerrations.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:52:43 AM EDT
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Hungarian SA-85M, I'm getting 2-3" for 10 rounds at 100 yards, (open-sighted from a benchrested position, using pre-Wolf 123grn. Russian surplus ammo, purchased a long time ago in 1440 rnd crate)
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Posted: 1/17/2006 10:14:35 AM EDT
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ive got a MAK-90 that will get 2inch groups at 50m all day long. it will shoot rings around my SAR-1 and my hungarian parts gun.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 3:57:51 PM EDT
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Changing out my rear leaf sight with a peep sight cut my group size in half.
Especially at 100 and 200 yards. At 100 yards my groups went from 8" to 4", after installing a peep sight. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 4:24:08 PM EDT
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Never put a group on paper. I shoot either at a berm behind the house, or the river down the road. So far every shot has hit the Berm or river, and at the approx spot I was aiming at.
 Does that help ya any?Oh yeah, I shoot an AMD65
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:33:57 AM EDT
[#17]
One more trip to the top...
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:36:02 AM EDT
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Who did your build and what kind of ammo are you using? |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 8:45:05 AM EDT
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Basic SAR1 with a 4" group with irons at 100yds. I don't do that much better with my AR 1/7 chrome lined bbl. 3"s at 100yds with irons........ Granted I tend not to shoot for groups with either anymore. Just when I first zeroed in for the first time.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 9:05:47 AM EDT
[#20]
which peep sight did you install to get this accuracy |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 9:55:21 AM EDT
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I get around 4-6 inches using Russian hollowpoint at 100yds with the Intrac Maadi that I rebuilt into a pseudo 104, I think the last FSB/GB tweak centered it really good though. I can easily nail a 16 inch gong at 300yds with it but it's no where near as accurate my Arsenal M-5 5.56x45 ...
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Posted: 1/21/2006 12:11:57 PM EDT
[#22]
I can kill the hell out of pop cans at about 25 yards
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Posted: 1/21/2006 12:13:59 PM EDT
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My milled Arsenal is more accurate than I expected. I love this thing, beautiful gun. Built like a tank. From a benchrest hitting a 6" dia gong at 200 yards isn't hard to do. Offhand I can manage to do that about 25% of the time, and I know right when I pull the trigger if I am gonna hit it or not. I get best results from golden tiger ammo, which I think is russian but I'm not sure. I actually shoot my AK a lot better than my AR with irons, not sure why. I'm losing interest in ARs because of this gun. The only thing I wish I had was a scope mount so I could mount a Kobra on it. |
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Posted: 1/21/2006 1:09:03 PM EDT
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I use mojo peep sights and they are much easier to shoot accurately than the stock sights on my Maadi ARM or MAK. The Maadi is a 3-3.5 at 100 over a bag weapon and the Mak is slightly better than 3 inchs. The mojo sights made an major impovement for me. I like silver bear best but Wolf is not less accurate just seems dirtier.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 1:34:41 PM EDT
[#25]
My Norinco MAK-90 will do 3-3.5" at 100 yards.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 1:56:45 PM EDT
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Type in "krebs" on gunbroker.com and you'll see two options that will perform as described.
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Posted: 1/21/2006 2:09:08 PM EDT
[#27]
of all my ak rifles,my vepr-2 is most accurate.about 2 inches at 100yards with wolf and norinco.
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Posted: 1/22/2006 11:17:22 AM EDT
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My AK accuracy experience is as follows:
*Norinco Type 56 in 7.62x39 shoots around 3.5 with Golden Tiger *WASR GP in 7.62x39 shoots around 4 with Silver Bear/Golden Tiger *SAR 2 in 5.45x39 shoots around 2 or under with Dynamit Noble *Century Yugo M70AB shoots around 2 or under with Wolf 122grn FMJ's *BWest Type 56S in 7.62x39 shoots around 4 with Chicom yellow box *Norinco 84S in 5.56x45 shoots around 3 with Wolf 55grn FMJ's. I have owned many AK's and the accuracy of 7.62x39 variants seems to be between 2 and 5 MOA, depending on the weapon and ammo. My Century Yugo that I just bought has been the most accurate AK I have owned to date, shooting 2 MOA all day long and under with good ammo. I think 3 MOA should be the average and would be acceptible AK accuracy. This is certainly Minute-of-Badguy. 5.45 examples seem to be slightly more accurate than thier 7.62 counter parts. A major component of AK accuracy is quality ammo. For 7.62x39 WWB is very accurate and consistant and hand loading for this caliber can make very accurate and effective defensive bullets. |
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Posted: 1/22/2006 12:57:24 PM EDT
[#29]
Yugo M70 underfolder from CAI. First 5 shots were offhand from 25 yards with Wolf ammo and I could have put a sivler dollar over the group. Others are reporting the same fantastic results with these rifles.
To put that in perspective, I shoot about 2-3" groups with an AR-15 offhand at that range, so I was pretty damn impressed. I apparently do better with tangent sites thatn peep sites and the ergonomics (or lack therof) on an AK honestly seem a bit better for me. Best grouping I ever get with a rifle and it is with a dman underfolder AK of all things, LOL!
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Posted: 1/22/2006 4:44:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Ahhhh, AMD-65 I raise my glass to you sir! My 65 with 12.48" of rifling plus false can shoots equally as well as my RML. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 2:03:25 PM EDT
[#31]
A Mojo Micro Click peep sight. I got it from Red Star Arms. |
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Posted: 4/6/2006 4:51:24 AM EDT
[#32]
HOLY THREAD RESURECTION, BATMAN!!!!!
in other words..... btt
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Posted: 4/6/2006 9:52:19 AM EDT
[#33]
I doubt that, no one really ever parts with a Krebs once they get one. 
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Posted: 4/6/2006 11:31:47 AM EDT
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I don't know about 7.63x39...but I can hold 5.45 out of my SLR on the 12" gong at 200 yds offhand. I need to get a 7.62 AK...
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Posted: 4/6/2006 1:18:29 PM EDT
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my wasr is not too acurate...but who gives a shit right...it dosent jam,it bump fires like a pig eating bacon,ang destroys everything i point it at (up to and including 1,000,000 yds)...get a wasr...they are the best ak known to man!
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Posted: 4/6/2006 3:17:13 PM EDT
[#36]
A guy named "Schulze" did my build and he used Winchester FMJ.
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Posted: 4/6/2006 3:27:54 PM EDT
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from 30 yards I can nail budlight cans all day long buddy...... |
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Posted: 4/6/2006 4:10:16 PM EDT
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i have a yugo m70 I'm pleased with it, but I feel I need better sights. optics or iron. I have heard a weakness of the ak is the sights and I totally agree. I think I could get 3" groups with winchester ammo. wolf is just for fun, If I had to guess, my m70 shot a 4" group @ approx 100meters
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Posted: 4/6/2006 4:51:14 PM EDT
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Assuming a can is 2.5" in diameter at it's smallest, you're boasting 7.5 MOA. That's really bad! |
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Posted: 4/6/2006 8:37:56 PM EDT
[#40]
+1 |
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Posted: 4/7/2006 7:30:29 AM EDT
[#41]
It always helps to experiment with different ammo, especially when buying lower grade stuff like Wolf.
Yeah, I know, some of the guys will claim MOA at 10 miles with a WASR shooting Wolf, but a lot of people say a lot of things on the internet that they can't back up at the range. Even when/if the Wolf hyper-accuracy claims pan out, that doesn't mean that they will for others. The only non-corrosive low-priced ammo that I thought shot better than it should have for the price paid was the old Chinese Norinco ammo. Norinco is pretty consistent stuff and I wish we could still get it. Wolf doesn't hold a candle to it! The Yugo ammo is decent, but apparently not available anymore and was corrosive. I haven't tried the Greek (Olympic) stuff in 7.62x39, but didn't like it very much in other calibers. Every firearm is a little different, and will "like" some ammo better than others. That's part of the reason why reloaders take the time to reload. With that said, out of the AK's that I have experimented with (Romy, Egyptian & Yugo), I think that the Yugo is the most accurate. Good luck! |
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Posted: 4/7/2006 8:16:21 AM EDT
[#42]
get Arsenal,.. you wont be disappointed
and as much as i hate to say it,.. Vepr's are nice shooters as well from what there owners tell me |
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Posted: 4/7/2006 8:19:48 AM EDT
[#43]
in my day I owned two AK's....
My SAR1 would get groups around 3-4MOA if I did my part on a benchrest. My first AK, a Hesse variant, would get 24MOA depending on how hard I threw the POS from 10 feet away. |
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