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Posted: 6/8/2012 5:11:50 PM EDT
I have a blond Polytech that I am trying to value for sale. It comes from a collection that is exclusively minty unfired high end guns. Here is the thing, there is no serial number on the gas tube but other than that, there is no indication that the gun is not 100% authentic. Did polly tech offer a blond AK or is it more likely that some gun shop did a furniture change and neglected to change out the gas tube?
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It appears the rifle is a Polytech Legend model. There were some Legends imported with the blonde wood but apparently not many. Primarily, it was the reddish-brown wood. So, if the wood furniture is original to the rifle (which it looks as though it might be judging by the milled version blonde buttstock), the rifle is pretty unique.
You could probably use the average of what the standard Polytech Legend rifles are selling for without any accessories (if you're selling it just by itself) and add a hundred or so to the figure. A Chinese AK collector would be proud to have the blonde wood variant in a collection, I'd imagine. |
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In the past I have owned 6 Legends, two were the blond. I think by your pics that is original. That should-I should quote that-should bring at least 2K. With prices for those or any Chicom preban as they are now I would not sell it for less. It could be real, but the gas tube makes me wonder. If there is no numbers on it its likely been replaced. I think some of the chinese stock sets may have come with a gas tube installed. Someone probably replaced the stock and tube. |
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In the past I have owned 6 Legends, two were the blond. I think by your pics that is original. That should-I should quote that-should bring at least 2K. With prices for those or any Chicom preban as they are now I would not sell it for less. It could be real, but the gas tube makes me wonder. If there is no numbers on it its likely been replaced. I think some of the chinese stock sets may have come with a gas tube installed. Someone probably replaced the stock and tube. It likely wouldn't be the buttstock as the milled receiver buttstock in blonde color is exceedingly rare. |
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Serial number on the gas tube is usually on the top like this... http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/Firearms/AK_47S/IMG_2842.jpg Agreed but there are some stamped on the bottom I seen one recently. Then you have a lot of them usually norincos where its just electro penciled. |
| Here is the deal, it has already been sold (on GA for $1,750) but the buyer is complaining that there is no ser on the gas tube. I am not very familiar with the ledgens, all the serial numbers I found on it matched, and given the context of the collection it came from, I assumed that the gun had never been touched since it left china. There are really 2 possibilities. 1) that the furniture was changed by polytech or 2) that it was changed by a local gun shop. given the fit and finish and the wooden grip, I find it highly unlikely that it is not a polytech furniture set. if it turns out that the gun is authentic, the buyer got a heck of a deal. If it turns out that it's not kosher, I am going to refund him his money. |
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Here is the deal, it has already been sold (on GA for $1,750) but the buyer is complaining that there is no ser on the gas tube. I am not very familiar with the ledgens, all the serial numbers I found on it matched, and given the context of the collection it came from, I assumed that the gun had never been touched since it left china. There are really 2 possibilities. 1) that the furniture was changed by polytech or 2) that it was changed by a local gun shop. given the fit and finish and the wooden grip, I find it highly unlikely that it is not a polytech furniture set. if it turns out that the gun is authentic, the buyer got a heck of a deal. If it turns out that it's not kosher, I am going to refund him his money. If you refund his money I call dibs and I'll give you $1750 for it! 
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No doubt about it its a polytech stock.Serial # on the gas tube is not going to affect the value of this rifle.Even if it had a mismatched serial # gas tube its still a $2000+ rifle all day.
Have the gas tube stamped with the serial # if its bothering you that bad.Its a one of a kind Legend, treasure that bad boy. |
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If you refund his money I call dibs and I'll give you $1750 for it! Yea, No problem. That would make my boss happy, she is hating refunding it. send me a PM if serious. ETA, this was not intended to be a WTS thread, I am just looking for an honest appraisal of the gun. |
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Here is the deal, it has already been sold (on GA for $1,750) but the buyer is complaining that there is no ser on the gas tube. I am not very familiar with the ledgens, all the serial numbers I found on it matched, and given the context of the collection it came from, I assumed that the gun had never been touched since it left china. There are really 2 possibilities. 1) that the furniture was changed by polytech or 2) that it was changed by a local gun shop. given the fit and finish and the wooden grip, I find it highly unlikely that it is not a polytech furniture set. if it turns out that the gun is authentic, the buyer got a heck of a deal. If it turns out that it's not kosher, I am going to refund him his money. The only thing that you can be sure of with chinese AKs is that you can't be sure of anything. Yeah, you might have 3 people here with blonde polytechs and serials on the gas tube, but that doesn't mean they didn't send one out with no serial. Hell, probably on the first page of this forum you can probably find the thread of someone with a chinese preban AK that had the serial number stamped vertically on the buttstock like yugo AKs. Myself and another member thought it was a fake, but a third member posted pics of his with the same original serial markings. I had never seen one in all my years of collecting and reading about AKs. Tell the guy you've gotten opinions on it, and it's inconclusive if the gas tube was ever changed. But, it's a legit polytech stock set (and rare at that), preban rifle in excellent shape, and you have another person chomping at the bit to buy it for 1750. Or you can list it on gunbroker and make more. |
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Here is the deal, it has already been sold (on GA for $1,750) but the buyer is complaining that there is no ser on the gas tube. I am not very familiar with the ledgens, all the serial numbers I found on it matched, and given the context of the collection it came from, I assumed that the gun had never been touched since it left china. There are really 2 possibilities. 1) that the furniture was changed by polytech or 2) that it was changed by a local gun shop. given the fit and finish and the wooden grip, I find it highly unlikely that it is not a polytech furniture set. if it turns out that the gun is authentic, the buyer got a heck of a deal. If it turns out that it's not kosher, I am going to refund him his money. The only thing that you can be sure of with chinese AKs is that you can't be sure of anything. Yeah, you might have 3 people here with blonde polytechs and serials on the gas tube, but that doesn't mean they didn't send one out with no serial. Hell, probably on the first page of this forum you can probably find the thread of someone with a chinese preban AK that had the serial number stamped vertically on the buttstock like yugo AKs. Myself and another member thought it was a fake, but a third member posted pics of his with the same original serial markings. I had never seen one in all my years of collecting and reading about AKs. Tell the guy you've gotten opinions on it, and it's inconclusive if the gas tube was ever changed. But, it's a legit polytech stock set (and rare at that), preban rifle in excellent shape, and you have another person chomping at the bit to buy it for 1750. Or you can list it on gunbroker and make more. Thanks, you are confirming what I thought... IMO, the guy is an idiot, he got a very fair price on a very nice gun in unfired condition and he is sending it back. My best guess would be that someone at the factory decided to make a run of 10-20 blonds out of the brown ones one day and had a hard time getting the handgaurd of the original gas tube, said F-it in Chinese and grabbed a gas-tube and packed it up. Anyways, looks like already found a new home for it as soon as I get it back. |
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I have a Norinco 56S with that furniture and no serial number on the gas tube. Not that unusual - you never know what the chicom workers would do.
Lots of blonde poly wood on Gunbroker now - they are starting to move some old inventory through a dealer here in GA. |
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At times, they were shipping stuff so fast, that lots of one item, would often come with mismatched or different colored wood. It wasn't uncommon, and importers have stated that.
I have a pre ban underfolder that has German appearing plastic furniture, but, the pistol grip is stippled differently than the German type furniture, in a completely different location. I got it EARLY in the ban, long before the used german plastic ever even got here, and it was claimed thats how it shipped in from China. The best theory I have is that the Chi coms had run a furniture production, to appear to be German, perhaps to mislead the origin of the gun, much like the un head stamped ammo that floats around, and that someone at the factory put a semi togther and shipped it during a wood furniture shortage. Who knows? Its interesting, made it a bit more valuable to me, but, I don't know anyone at the factory to confirm if it was real, or not. |
| I had a simular experience with GA. Bought a Legend LNIB for $1700. When I got it the top cover showed a small amount of pitting and the byonet keeper strap was broken. I contacted ( a consignment seller) the seller he made an offer if I would keep it I would get it for $1300. I bought a top cover from Kengs for $40 and feel I got a great deal for $1300. I feel your PT Legend would bring $2K very easily on the market. Shoot someone has one now on GB for $3400. Teh buyer has probably decided to keep it if he is slow about returning besides there is a 3 day exam period. |
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Here is the deal, it has already been sold (on GA for $1,750) but the buyer is complaining that there is no ser on the gas tube. I am not very familiar with the ledgens, all the serial numbers I found on it matched, and given the context of the collection it came from, I assumed that the gun had never been touched since it left china. There are really 2 possibilities. 1) that the furniture was changed by polytech or 2) that it was changed by a local gun shop. given the fit and finish and the wooden grip, I find it highly unlikely that it is not a polytech furniture set. if it turns out that the gun is authentic, the buyer got a heck of a deal. If it turns out that it's not kosher, I am going to refund him his money. If you refund his money I call dibs and I'll give you $1750 for it! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=295169616 |
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Here is the deal, it has already been sold (on GA for $1,750) but the buyer is complaining that there is no ser on the gas tube. I am not very familiar with the ledgens, all the serial numbers I found on it matched, and given the context of the collection it came from, I assumed that the gun had never been touched since it left china. There are really 2 possibilities. 1) that the furniture was changed by polytech or 2) that it was changed by a local gun shop. given the fit and finish and the wooden grip, I find it highly unlikely that it is not a polytech furniture set. if it turns out that the gun is authentic, the buyer got a heck of a deal. If it turns out that it's not kosher, I am going to refund him his money. If you refund his money I call dibs and I'll give you $1750 for it! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=295169616 Oh well. If you look at his recent purchases you'll find another Legend and some other pre-ban Poly's. Looks like he wants safe queens so I can see why he wouldn't want something that he feels wouldn't hold value. But I'd keep it and turn it into a beater. Give it that nice battlefield look.
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