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11/12/2011 3:50:39 AM EDT
Quoted:
I just received my "converted" Saiga rifle completed by Paragon today. Not happy ......... Rifle does not look good. Rivet holes poorly welded, trigger guard looks as if it was chewed with a pair of pliars, bullet guide fabricated out of ????? , chamber feed guide buggered up, buttstock nicked ,mouting screws chewed up. Receiver re-finished to look parkarized....... does not match original finish. Waste of a nice Saiga rifle.......... I have a task to make this rifle look right.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/Bullpupdogg/Picture007.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/Bullpupdogg/Picture006.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/Bullpupdogg/Picture003-2.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/Bullpupdogg/Picture001-1.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/Bullpupdogg/Picture002-2.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/Bullpupdogg/Picture010-1.jpg



Any help/tips in cleaning up this mess would be appreciated - Buyer beware.
11/12/2011 3:56:10 AM EDT
[#1]
Why don't you do the logical thing and contact them with pics and see what they do.
11/12/2011 4:04:15 AM EDT
[#2]
They sent the rifle back to me looking like this, leads me to believe they dont know what they are doing....thanks for the advise.
11/12/2011 5:24:31 AM EDT
[#3]
I have seen stuff come out of huts in Pakistan that look better than that.
11/12/2011 6:13:26 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
I have seen stuff come out of huts in Pakistan that look better than that.


+1, they should have a restraining order not to come within 500 yards of an AK after that shit show
11/12/2011 1:54:23 PM EDT
[#5]
Brutal.
11/12/2011 2:24:03 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
They sent the rifle back to me looking like this, leads me to believe they dont know what they are doing....thanks for the advise.

The only thing worse than someone screwing up your rifle is.... letting them do it again You are right to not want to send it back to them. A fitting phrase for your mindset is "belly full"

ETA: that is . by far, the worst work that I have ever seen a supposed "professional" do. I should start a 4th business....





11/12/2011 2:30:33 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Why don't you do the logical thing and contact them with pics and see what they do.

In this case, that would be illogical....

11/12/2011 2:42:51 PM EDT
[#8]
You should get your money back and damages for the rifle.
11/12/2011 3:26:31 PM EDT
[#9]
Is this the company? wtf?





Saiga Rifle Conversion Service - 7.62 5.45 223 308 : Gunsmithing at GunBroker.com



 
11/12/2011 3:33:49 PM EDT
[#10]
They charged $152.00 for that? If the work was decent it would be a good deal. The trigger gaurd and scratches aren't all that bad, but the bullet guide and tac welded holes are a joke......especially the bullet guide, what's holding it in there??????
11/12/2011 6:30:17 PM EDT
[#11]
Recent feedback left for them on Gunbroker (From the OP):



Overall poor workmanship on rifle conversion, Saiga looks bad. Avoid this service.

Response: (left on 11/12/2011) Buyer expected a level of fit and finish unreasonable for the price of our service. Will resolve issues with buyer despite abject negativity and unfamiliarity with the workings of customer service.
Funny how they say the buyer expected too much. How is that for backing up your work?
11/12/2011 6:42:06 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Buyer expected a level of fit and finish unreasonable for the price of our service.


It looked like shit and they are saying that its because the op didnt pay them enough?

op if they give you shit id go to small claims court, this fit and finish is unacceptable
11/12/2011 7:24:46 PM EDT
[#13]
HOLY SHEEETTT
11/12/2011 7:25:17 PM EDT
[#14]
What a JOKE! Seriously? You're going to do a crappy job and then say that it's the BUYER'S fault. That's low. Boycott Paragon. They suck!
11/13/2011 12:31:01 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Recent feedback left for them on Gunbroker (From the OP):

Overall poor workmanship on rifle conversion, Saiga looks bad. Avoid this service.
Response: (left on 11/12/2011) Buyer expected a level of fit and finish unreasonable for the price of our service. Will resolve issues with buyer despite abject negativity and unfamiliarity with the workings of customer service.



Funny how they say the buyer expected too much. How is that for backing up your work?


lol.. yep, fuck that company.  Send them a link to this post.

If they are doing piss poor work because thats what the low price is worth.. they should mention that in their ad.
11/13/2011 6:42:50 AM EDT
[#16]
Wow, I've turned out better shit in my toilet.
11/13/2011 6:55:52 AM EDT
[#17]




Quoted:



Quoted:

Recent feedback left for them on Gunbroker (From the OP):



Overall poor workmanship on rifle conversion, Saiga looks bad. Avoid this service.

Response: (left on 11/12/2011) Buyer expected a level of fit and finish unreasonable for the price of our service. Will resolve issues with buyer despite abject negativity and unfamiliarity with the workings of customer service.
Funny how they say the buyer expected too much. How is that for backing up your work?




lol.. yep, fuck that company. Send them a link to this post.



If they are doing piss poor work because thats what the low price is worth.. they should mention that in their ad.




Actually I think the OP was too kind. He gave them a D when they clearly deserved an F.
11/13/2011 11:43:34 AM EDT
[#18]
The OP posted on this website and provided negative feedback on Gunbroker PRIOR to even contacting us about problems with the rifle. We cannot guaranty perfect customer service to follow our lapse in QC if not given the chance to work with the customer. Nonetheless, we are working with Warhead to resolve his problems with the rifle.

Response to feedback was not to say that "You don't pay us enough, so we produce crap", it was in response to the OP's initial concerns with cosmetic condition of the rifle. Had we not been so quick to leave feedback, the record would better reflect our dialog. As stated, we are resolving these cosmetic issues, as well any functional problems, and will be sure to keep everyone posted. Any persons concerned with the quality of our work are encouraged to keep an eye on this.

For more complete coverage:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_80/139529_.html
11/13/2011 3:43:10 PM EDT
[#19]
looks great for a train wreck.  
11/13/2011 4:17:25 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
The OP posted on this website and provided negative feedback on Gunbroker PRIOR to even contacting us about problems with the rifle. We cannot guaranty perfect customer service to follow our lapse in QC if not given the chance to work with the customer. Nonetheless, we are working with Warhead to resolve his problems with the rifle.

Response to feedback was not to say that "You don't pay us enough, so we produce crap", it was in response to the OP's initial concerns with cosmetic condition of the rifle. Had we not been so quick to leave feedback, the record would better reflect our dialog. As stated, we are resolving these cosmetic issues, as well any functional problems, and will be sure to keep everyone posted. Any persons concerned with the quality of our work are encouraged to keep an eye on this.

For more complete coverage:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_80/139529_.html



11/13/2011 4:19:24 PM EDT
[#21]
I'm really not sure how, "Buyer expected a level of fit and finish unreasonable for the price of our service," doesn't basically say he didn't pay you guys enough to do a good job.
11/13/2011 6:41:35 PM EDT
[#22]
The shitty work I saw in those pics should never leave anybody's shop. I just screwed up the muzzle brake on my own MAS 49/56 because I got in a hurry and used Vise-Grips on it, but at least I took a small, flat jeweler's file and removed the marks, then refinished the whole exposed part of the barrel, which was mostly bare anyway. What I saw above that came out of a commercial shop was disgraceful. No excuses, just fix it right for him. Everyone who calls themselves 'professional' should be doing first-rate work. That's exactly how companies get great reputations and build huge customer bases - not by giving away the store, but admitting it when that one job goes bad and just biting the bullet and making it right. If your employee screws up a man's gun, it's on you.
11/14/2011 9:52:30 AM EDT
[#23]
I'm getting popcorn.

This reminds me of the old lancaster threads.
11/14/2011 2:04:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Wow, that's even worse than the work that the Century apes do.  Good luck.
11/14/2011 7:01:55 PM EDT
[#25]
That makes Century apes look like master gunsmiths.
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