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Posted: 4/24/2019 4:43:15 PM EDT
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These are a couple of full size IDPA silhouette 3/8 AR500 steel targets from Arntzen steel. I don't remember buying them both at the same time, probably a year or more apart. Oldest one would be maybe 10 years old. At first used them a lot, last few years a lot less. 90% or more of the rounds fired at them were .308, 7.62x39mm and 9mm, very little .223 was fired at them and no green tip that I'm aware of. If I had to guestimate how many rounds total fired at them I would guess no less than 2,000 but probably no more than 6,000 I noticed a while back they were cracking at several spot, you can see this pretty good in the pics. They are mounted off the ground, hanging from 2x6's . Range shot at varied from 10 yards to 500 yards. Never shot with a .50 cal or anything bigger than .308 Is this normal wear and tear? It seems odd that both are developing cracks near the edges- almost same spot each target. Is there a more durable steel of this size around $150. each? Thanks in advance! Robert |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 5:54:56 PM EDT
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Don't they usually specify minimum distance for a rifle round is 100Y?
5.56 ammo fired at AR500 less than 100Y will damage it. I saw me do it. Luckily I caught it quick and all I need to do is turn my steel around. @nvgeologist Targets |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 7:55:43 PM EDT
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Fired m193 at ar500 @ 50 yards, put sum nice craters in it, i stick with .223 plinking anmo for the steel now.
Dunno if it matters but i try to keep paint on my steel, esp after shooting, cant imagine rust helping anything. Yea, i need to flip my steel around too... |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 9:10:42 PM EDT
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"Usually" keep them painted- "usually". That being said they have sat in the conex at the range for a little while now. Flip them most every time I put them out, that being said they used to sit out a lot more than they have the last few years.
So this much wear and tear is normal? |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 9:21:45 PM EDT
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Better pictures would help, but from the posted potatoes, it looks like stress fracture from the inside corners. Not exactly where I'd expect them to turn up, usually closer to the center of the corner. That may be an aspect of what looks like it's probably plasma cutting.
Finding full size IPSCs for $150 is going to be tough, that's barely $3/lb, and there was a huge jump in prices a year ago due to tariffs. It doesn't sound like you'e abused them, but frankly, 10 years of assorted use, off single hole targets, I wouldn't stress it. The biggest thing I'd recommend in buying new ones is to avoid plasma cut, and see if you can get a hostage setup or something for a full size IPSCs, because otherwise they are fairly boring one trick ponies. |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 8:21:20 AM EDT
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Better pictures would help, but from the posted potatoes, it looks like stress fracture from the inside corners. Not exactly where I'd expect them to turn up, usually closer to the center of the corner. That may be an aspect of what looks like it's probably plasma cutting. Finding full size IPSCs for $150 is going to be tough, that's barely $3/lb, and there was a huge jump in prices a year ago due to tariffs. It doesn't sound like you'e abused them, but frankly, 10 years of assorted use, off single hole targets, I wouldn't stress it. The biggest thing I'd recommend in buying new ones is to avoid plasma cut, and see if you can get a hostage setup or something for a full size IPSCs, because otherwise they are fairly boring one trick ponies. What do you think will happen with those cracks? Just continue until they ruin the mounting hole? |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 11:02:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you! What do you think will happen with those cracks? Just continue until they ruin the mounting hole? I strongly advise against trying to weld them up for three reasons: a weld good enough to bond the steel will ruin the temper, there's no good way to get the lead out of it (which fucks up the weld) and is not go to breath, it's frankly not worth the time to prep and weld it knowing that you're ruining the temper and breathing lead. Drop me a PM and I'll send you some links to options I have for IPSCs and hostages and whatnot. It's possible for a bit more money I can get you a lot more useful target(s) |
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Posted: 10/22/2020 9:15:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better pictures would help, but from the posted potatoes, it looks like stress fracture from the inside corners. Not exactly where I'd expect them to turn up, usually closer to the center of the corner. That may be an aspect of what looks like it's probably plasma cutting. Finding full size IPSCs for $150 is going to be tough, that's barely $3/lb, and there was a huge jump in prices a year ago due to tariffs. It doesn't sound like you'e abused them, but frankly, 10 years of assorted use, off single hole targets, I wouldn't stress it. The biggest thing I'd recommend in buying new ones is to avoid plasma cut, and see if you can get a hostage setup or something for a full size IPSCs, because otherwise they are fairly boring one trick ponies. OP 100 yard minimum like everyone said. and yes, these pics are difficult to see. Send them as "original quality" instead of "Small" "Medium" if you sent them via email. |
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Posted: 10/24/2020 3:55:05 PM EDT
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7.62x39 with the MSC bullets will chew up steel just as bad as green tip. If you were running that ammo, there’s a reason why the steel is heavily messed.
That said, 10 years on steel is a long time. This in conjunction with steel plates today being made better and more durable. It’s time to retire your steel and get new stuff. We shoot steel with AE223 as close as 25yds, but we also replace steel regularly knowing it’s a wear item in our training. We bust steel all the time. The only time we get pissy about it is when someone intentionally uses penetrator or bimetal/MSC bullets, because we prohibit that stuff. . |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 5:14:07 PM EDT
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I’ve always considered them consumable. Time to replace them.
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