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Posted: 11/17/2018 8:37:01 PM EDT
I just started last year shot about half dozen matches and have all the basic stuff.
I have a sub MOA rifle, Mil/Mil scope, Harris swivel bipod, a couple bags, enough reloading stuff with beam scale and Chrony F1. Wondering what you guys that have been in it a while would help me most? Besides practice of course but I am shooting about as much as time will allow. I'm thinking Kestrel but a nice set of Swaro Binos would be sweet and I could use them for other things. Kicked around a nice scope (Current works fine a Bushnell DMR) not sure it would improve my scores. Super-duper powder dispenser? Your thoughts? |
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Take class from a PRO.
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One of those bags a Game Changer? If not then get one.
Practice is the biggest thing but learning what to practice and how to practice is important. Taking a class would help. Until you do though just practice getting in and out of position quickly and smoothly so you don't waste time there. With a half dozen matches in you should have an idea of what you might see so practice the positional and obstacles you might be shooting and do it under time so a timer would help. You will learn what 90 seconds feels like and help your internal clock. |
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Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
Call Shannon or Jason at K&M in Finger Tn. Real deal. They do group classes and one on one. Some of the best shooters on the planet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
Originally Posted By owlless: That's a good idea. Actually hadn't thought of that. As far as other gear... a tripod, if you don't have one yet. 90% of the time it just holds up my binos for spotting, but they come in handy on stages too. Swaro binos are really nice, but if you don't want to drop $2k, look for a used pair of Vortex 15x Kaibabs and put them on an Outdoorsman's tripod mount. We had my Kaibab's next to a set of Swaro's down at K&M for the Grind. The Swaro's are nicer for sure, but they're not $1000 better. 15x binos seems to be the sweet spot for spotting for this game. Spotting scopes restrict your field of view too much, and 10x binos just aren't enough for the long stages. Other than that... definitely a Gamechanger if you don't have one yet. I prefer the OG to the new pint sized, but lots of guys are getting away with the smaller one. If your rifle doesn't have an Arca rail on the bottom, look into that too. Being able to slide your bipod anywhere on your rifle in about 2 seconds is a huge advantage. Being able to mount it to a tripod is a bonus. I'm running the Arcalock system from Area419 and it's legit. I've only used the barricade stop a few times (only had it for 2 matches), but when it works, it's fantastic. If you have any other questions, feel free to shoot me a PM. I'm no top level pro, but I hold my own in PRS matches. Always happy to help out someone joining the party! |
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You need to make your practice matter more. Too many guys mount a barricade and send shot after shot from the same position at the same target. It’s rare in matches that you’ll send more than 1 or 2 rounds at the same target from the same position in a row. As Rob mentioned, get yourself a shot timer and make up stages. Time yourself to check continual progress and if you can, run the stage against your buddies for some competitive feel.
A Kestrel will be of far more value than Swaro Binos. I ran Redfield 10x binos (<$150) for a year and they are plenty clear enough to spot with. I have Swaro’s now but wouldn’t hesitate to go back to Redfield if needed. Tripod to mount your binos is great to watch other shooters,see where the impacts are on the target and in the surrounding dirt from previous shooters. This is free information when you walk up to a stage. A bag or 2 that can do multiple things. I carry a solo-sac and a wax canvas game changer. It’s a little extra weight but has been a multiple match winning combination for me. Continue to ask questions. Plenty of solid shooters in here to help. |
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Thanks for the feedback! Practice is sparse. I planned to shoot the Wednesday night matches at southington hunt club this summer but work and other things...
My plan is dry fire and use my .22 at indoor range this winter. Hopefully I can make some sort of barricade they will accept. Good trigger time can’t hurt. |
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Doesn't even have to be a traditional barricade but just shooting off things. Improvise. Use a chair, table etc.
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Outside of the practice mentioned, gear wise a game changer and a kestral is definitely a big help. I just got an elite 5700 and am learning to use it now.
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There are a ton of places you can spend your money, not not that much stuff that I personally think is critical. I'm guilty of buying gadgets , but there are a couple things I carry that I find critical. I love my Wax Canvas OG game changer, and would give up a lot before I gave u my Kestrel. Stuff like Tripods and Bino's are nice but they aren't nearly as critical to me. I use a game changer on pretty much every stage I ever shoot and often times it is the only bag I will use for an entire match.
Classes with good instruction are also hard to beat. There will be a slew of matches in OH next year and that is the only way to get the on the clock experience. Matt at SHC will be having plenty as will Rayners. kind of funny how many people in this thread I know personally. |
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I got it at the Costco.
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Originally Posted By TeeRex:
There are a ton of places you can spend your money, not not that much stuff that I personally think is critical. I'm guilty of buying gadgets , but there are a couple things I carry that I find critical. I love my Wax Canvas OG game changer, and would give up a lot before I gave u my Kestrel. Stuff like Tripods and Bino's are nice but they aren't nearly as critical to me. I use a game changer on pretty much every stage I ever shoot and often times it is the only bag I will use for an entire match. Classes with good instruction are also hard to beat. There will be a slew of matches in OH next year and that is the only way to get the on the clock experience. Matt at SHC will be having plenty as will Rayners. kind of funny how many people in this thread I know personally. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
You shot with owelless (and me), until your rifle almost blew up, at the club finally at TVP. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ironmaker:
Originally Posted By TeeRex:
There are a ton of places you can spend your money, not not that much stuff that I personally think is critical. I'm guilty of buying gadgets , but there are a couple things I carry that I find critical. I love my Wax Canvas OG game changer, and would give up a lot before I gave u my Kestrel. Stuff like Tripods and Bino's are nice but they aren't nearly as critical to me. I use a game changer on pretty much every stage I ever shoot and often times it is the only bag I will use for an entire match. Classes with good instruction are also hard to beat. There will be a slew of matches in OH next year and that is the only way to get the on the clock experience. Matt at SHC will be having plenty as will Rayners. kind of funny how many people in this thread I know personally. |
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I got it at the Costco.
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RCBS Chargemaster helps alot if you are doing varied load development
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Originally Posted By TeeRex:
The action was destroyed from that. Total freak accident what happened, but was glad to know it wasnt a reloading mistake. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By owlless: I remember that. Can you say what happened? Is it something to look out for? Definitely information that is in keeping with the theme of the thread. View Quote |
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I got it at the Costco.
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Originally Posted By robpiat:
RCBS Chargemaster helps alot if you are doing varied load development View Quote I use a Lyman and then double check the load on a Gempro 250. |
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Whatever your rifle is, make sure you get an ARCA rail system for it. You then need to upgrade your Harris bipod's attachment point to allow for the ARCA attachment. A tripod with a quality head (ARCA attachment there as well) are excellent places to start.
On a side note, I see you're running a Chrony. I'd get away from that as far as chronographs go. There are just much better options now, even if you just go with the basic Magnetospeed. That is light years better than the traditional chronographs. |
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Money spent in better places than all that ARCA stuff. It's not needed but can be helpful at times. Having shot next to people with full ARCA set ups I found I wasn't at any disadvantage without it.
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Originally Posted By FALex:
Whatever your rifle is, make sure you get an ARCA rail system for it. You then need to upgrade your Harris bipod's attachment point to allow for the ARCA attachment. A tripod with a quality head (ARCA attachment there as well) are excellent places to start. On a side note, I see you're running a Chrony. I'd get away from that as far as chronographs go. There are just much better options now, even if you just go with the basic Magnetospeed. That is light years better than the traditional chronographs. View Quote I do agree with the Chrony advice. It has served me well and I have used the velocity it's given for good first round hits to 1200 yards. But, it is a pain to set up, a little finicky and misses a shot now and then. I think best bang for the buck will be to build some props to practice dry firing in the basement, work on my reloading consistency and get a get a Kestrel. (and maybe a new S&B scope! ) |
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Money spent in better places than all that ARCA stuff. It's not needed but can be helpful at times. Having shot next to people with full ARCA set ups I found I wasn't at any disadvantage without it. View Quote You will never know how much of a disadvantage you've had until you've had the ARCA advantage. I stand by my rec OP. I seriously think you should ARCA all the things. However, most importantly, just go out and shoot some matches. You'll see what you need. |
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I have tried arca and not impressed. The tripod is another piece of gear that is slow to deploy on the clock and has a relative small use area. Any match I have been to you had to deploy them on the clock and you are time. I did as well if not better than people trying to use them.
I can honestly say I don't feel an arca would have helped me anywhere. The game changer is a much better tool to use. If I was locking my rifle into a tripod then an arca would be nice but even then you can use a pig saddle and lock in also. If you like it then run it but I don't see the arca as the huge advantage people make them out to be. |
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In terms of getting better, as most have said taking a class or more practice is probably the best thing to look into. But if you're looking for gear to add...have you ever tried a pair of image-stabilized binos? Most folks are in shock at how helpful they are when they first look through a pair. The ones I've used the most are made by Canon. They are also great for hunting.
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Originally Posted By newBMowner:
In terms of getting better, as most have said taking a class or more practice is probably the best thing to look into. But if you're looking for gear to add...have you ever tried a pair of image-stabilized binos? Most folks are in shock at how helpful they are when they first look through a pair. The ones I've used the most are made by Canon. They are also great for hunting. View Quote |
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Used a pair a friend had at a match and I do agree they are very nice. No need for mounting the binos or leaning on anything to get a clear picture.
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