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8/4/2015 8:03:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TeeRex:
That's the 3-18 razor. My 4.5-27 would fit with the 56mm though. There isn't much room but enough. I had aadmount caps so those are a little thunder as well.  
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Did some load development today.  The one shot that looks like a flier was a sighter/fouler

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What rings are you using. Brand & height?

Thx!!
Seekins AR heigh. 1.45"  


Thx. I'm assuming you have a 50mm objective on your scope. How much clearance is there between the scope objective and the RPR rail?

Thx +2
That's the 3-18 razor. My 4.5-27 would fit with the 56mm though. There isn't much room but enough. I had aadmount caps so those are a little thunder as well.  


Do you think 1.375 high rings would work with a 50 mm objective?
8/5/2015 12:22:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:


Alright, who else wants to see some 20 shot groups at 100 yards fired in under 1 minute?  This could be a new thing..... Kind of like the MOA all day challenge...
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Doo eet!



 
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8/5/2015 6:31:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Talyn:
Do you think 1.375 high rings would work with a 50 mm objective?


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Seekins AR heigh. 1.45"  






Thx. I'm assuming you have a 50mm objective on your scope. How much clearance is there between the scope objective and the RPR rail?





Thx +2


That's the 3-18 razor. My 4.5-27 would fit with the 56mm though. There isn't much room but enough. I had aadmount caps so those are a little thunder as well.  






Do you think 1.375 high rings would work with a 50 mm objective?


They should. I have seen a couple mounted with the 1.26" and butler creeks, but I know one of them had the caps filed on a bit. The 1.375 will be closer to the rail, but should be fine.

 
 
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8/5/2015 11:52:13 AM EDT
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My optic will not get in in time for the rifle or ammo. Actually I haven't even decided on an optic. However I do have an Aimpoint Pro and set of MBUS lying around...Could be interesting.

What are you guys looking at as far as optics? I'm leaning heavily towards the Bushnell ERS.
8/5/2015 12:23:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
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What are you guys looking at as far as optics? I'm leaning heavily towards the Bushnell ERS.
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Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50mm FFP Riflescope w/ EBR-2C MOA Reticle

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8/5/2015 12:47:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:


My optic will not get in in time for the rifle or ammo. Actually I haven't even decided on an optic. However I do have an Aimpoint Pro and set of MBUS lying around...Could be interesting.



What are you guys looking at as far as optics? I'm leaning heavily towards the Bushnell ERS.
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I've got a razor gen II on mine. They are phenomenal optics.

 
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8/5/2015 12:52:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TeeRex:
I've got a razor gen II on mine. They are phenomenal optics.  
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Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
My optic will not get in in time for the rifle or ammo. Actually I haven't even decided on an optic. However I do have an Aimpoint Pro and set of MBUS lying around...Could be interesting.

What are you guys looking at as far as optics? I'm leaning heavily towards the Bushnell ERS.
I've got a razor gen II on mine. They are phenomenal optics.  


They are but holy hell they are tanks!  How can they weigh 10oz *more* than the Gen 1 Razor which was already a tank when something like the Leupold 3-18 MK6 weighs so much less?!?!  A 3lb optic is a hard pill for me to swallow.
8/5/2015 1:25:44 PM EDT
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I'm not an expert on optics construction, but I have a 3-18 and 4.5-27 and they can't be beat IMO.
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8/5/2015 1:47:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TeeRex:
I'm not an expert on optics construction, but I have a 3-18 and 4.5-27 and they can't be beat IMO.
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I really, really want a 3-18 Gen 2 but I just can't justify the weight.  It's not that I can't handle it I just don't want it on my rifle.  I really wish they could figure out how to drop at least 12oz and then it would be a no brainer to me but on a rifle that I intend to carry alot I just can't see the value of it over the much lighter 4-16 ATACR.
8/5/2015 1:52:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jlficken:


I really, really want a 3-18 Gen 2 but I just can't justify the weight.  It's not that I can't handle it I just don't want it on my rifle.  I really wish they could figure out how to drop at least 12oz and then it would be a no brainer to me but on a rifle that I intend to carry alot I just can't see the value of it over the much lighter 4-16 ATACR.
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Originally Posted By TeeRex:
I'm not an expert on optics construction, but I have a 3-18 and 4.5-27 and they can't be beat IMO.


I really, really want a 3-18 Gen 2 but I just can't justify the weight.  It's not that I can't handle it I just don't want it on my rifle.  I really wish they could figure out how to drop at least 12oz and then it would be a no brainer to me but on a rifle that I intend to carry alot I just can't see the value of it over the much lighter 4-16 ATACR.


This is my same reason.

I ended up going with a Bushnell ERS. If I want to upgrade in the future, I can always sell it. I don't own a single rifle that hasn't had at least 3 scopes on it before I settled for the perfect fit.
8/5/2015 2:15:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
What are you guys looking at as far as optics? I'm leaning heavily towards the Bushnell ERS.
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Bushnell Elite Tactical 3.5-21x50 G2DMR. Probably the best scope you'll find for the money, assuming 21x is enough magnification for you (and if it's not, I'm gonna guess the RPR isn't enough rifle, either). Mount will probably be a LaRue LT-104. I am planning on a .308 build, so not going to be shooting F-class or whatever.

I have seen some indication that TTAG is going to review the rifle using that scope, so I guess we'll find out how well it works.
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8/5/2015 3:33:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Talyn][Edited] [#12]
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Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
My optic will not get in in time for the rifle or ammo. Actually I haven't even decided on an optic. However I do have an Aimpoint Pro and set of MBUS lying around...Could be interesting.

What are you guys looking at as far as optics? I'm leaning heavily towards the Bushnell ERS.
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I'll be going with a Leupold Mk 4 LR/T 8.5-25x50 Illum. TMR.

Leupold Mk 4 LR/T 8.5-25x50

And either UL Nightforce or Seekins 30mm rings.
8/5/2015 3:34:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Talyn:
I'll be going with a Leupold Mk 4 LR/T 8.5-25x50 Illum. TMR.

Leupold Mk 4 LT/T 8.5-25x50

And either UL Nightforce or Seekins 30mm rings.
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Does UL = ultra low? If so, that probably won't work with the inline stock design of the rifle.
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8/5/2015 3:59:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By vmpglenn:


Does UL = ultra low? If so, that probably won't work with the inline stock design of the rifle.
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Originally Posted By Talyn:
I'll be going with a Leupold Mk 4 LR/T 8.5-25x50 Illum. TMR.

Leupold Mk 4 LT/T 8.5-25x50

And either UL Nightforce or Seekins 30mm rings.


Does UL = ultra low? If so, that probably won't work with the inline stock design of the rifle.


UL = Ultra light ring model from Nightforce.

I know what size rings will work.
8/5/2015 4:01:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Talyn:


UL = Ultra light ring model from Nightforce.

I know what size rings will work.
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I'll be going with a Leupold Mk 4 LR/T 8.5-25x50 Illum. TMR.

Leupold Mk 4 LT/T 8.5-25x50

And either UL Nightforce or Seekins 30mm rings.


Does UL = ultra low? If so, that probably won't work with the inline stock design of the rifle.


UL = Ultra light ring model from Nightforce.

I know what size rings will work.


OK cool -- my bad.
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8/5/2015 4:09:36 PM EDT
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OK cool -- my bad.
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Originally Posted By Talyn:
I'll be going with a Leupold Mk 4 LR/T 8.5-25x50 Illum. TMR.

Leupold Mk 4 LT/T 8.5-25x50

And either UL Nightforce or Seekins 30mm rings.


Does UL = ultra low? If so, that probably won't work with the inline stock design of the rifle.


UL = Ultra light ring model from Nightforce.

I know what size rings will work.


OK cool -- my bad.


No worries. Thx

Nightforce Ultralight rings 30mm

Seekins 30mm rings

And for a muzzle device.

Seekins .30 ATC
8/5/2015 4:20:35 PM EDT
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Question, with a 20moa base are there compatibility issues with a 20moa mount?
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8/5/2015 4:27:49 PM EDT
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Question, with a 20moa base are there compatibility issues with a 20moa mount?
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IMO there is no need for a 20 MOA mount with a 20MOA base. Together would equal 40 MOA.  

Your scope would have quite the forward lean to it.
8/5/2015 4:31:18 PM EDT
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You guys that have one already, do you like the samson rail on it? I have a couple samson evos and thats the one thing that disappointed me on this rifle.

Thanks

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8/5/2015 4:32:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Question, with a 20moa base are there compatibility issues with a 20moa mount?
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With some scopes, you won't be able to achieve a 100 yard zero with 40MOA of downslope. And even if you can zero at 100, you may be well outside the optical "sweet spot" of the scope until you get out to 500-600 yards. Besides those issues, which are not show stoppers, a 20MOA mount on a 20MOA base is not a huge deal. Heck, ELR platforms like the Desert Tech DTA only list 30 or 40MOA downslope as factory scope mount options...
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8/5/2015 4:35:25 PM EDT
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The only thing I see is putting a 20 MOA mount on top of the 20 MOA base is going to put the optic up pretty high.

A 40 MOA base is a bit different than double-stacking a 20 MOA mount on a base.
8/5/2015 5:20:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By vmpglenn:


With some scopes, you won't be able to achieve a 100 yard zero with 40MOA of downslope. And even if you can zero at 100, you may be well outside the optical "sweet spot" of the scope until you get out to 500-600 yards. Besides those issues, which are not show stoppers, a 20MOA mount on a 20MOA base is not a huge deal. Heck, ELR platforms like the Desert Tech DTA only list 30 or 40MOA downslope as factory scope mount options...
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Question, with a 20moa base are there compatibility issues with a 20moa mount?


With some scopes, you won't be able to achieve a 100 yard zero with 40MOA of downslope. And even if you can zero at 100, you may be well outside the optical "sweet spot" of the scope until you get out to 500-600 yards. Besides those issues, which are not show stoppers, a 20MOA mount on a 20MOA base is not a huge deal. Heck, ELR platforms like the Desert Tech DTA only list 30 or 40MOA downslope as factory scope mount options...

That's what I figured. I was looking at 1-piece scope mounts and lots are only offered in 20 or 30 MOA.
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8/5/2015 8:22:45 PM EDT
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MY RANGE REPORT... short version... I have A LOT of work to do at the loading bench and I was not pleased with todays results... BUT... I'm also keeping in mind the fact I only had ONE load to try. This load shoots fantastic out of my DPMS LR-65 and usually comes in under MOA and it's not a shock on occasion when I get in the half-MOA area with it.

All shooting was done 5 rounds slow fire, prone on a mat, bi-pod and rear bag. I was comfortable, in the shade, and the rifle was rock solid. Distance was a measured 100 yards. I swapped scopes around earlier so my initial shooting was getting a different rifle back to zero, which I then shot a 1/2 MOA group... so in essence, I was on today, no excuses from me as the shooter.

I fired 5 rounds, quick cleaned with Butch's Bore Shine, dry swabbed and did that for a total of three times. After that, I just started shooting. Total rounds fired today was 44. No mag, feed, or ejection issues.

I mounted a Leupold MK IV 4.5-14x50 with Illuminated TMR, TPS rings and a YHM riser. The mounts/rings/and riser are solid and there is no issues there I'm sure.

Ammo was once fired Hornady brass, FL sized and trimmed. 140gr Hornady A-Max with 39.0 grs IMR 4007SSC with the COAL set at 2.80" which just does fit the magazine.

THE RIFLE... I added a A2 style FS and worked the crush washer down slowly so as to end up with not a lot of stress at the end.

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THE BEST 5-ROUND GROUP... came in at about 1.10" and was the next to last group fired, I figured maybe the barrel was getting fouled and improving perhaps.



THE WORST 5-ROUND GROUP... came in at a disappointing 1.775"



Others...

@ 1.250"



@ 1.450"



@ 1.550"




EDIT TO ADD- I have a couple pounds of H-4350 and lots of W-760 and IMR 4895 to work with. Anyone have some pet loads they want to share I'd like to see what others are having success with.  
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8/5/2015 8:31:12 PM EDT
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I would of probably stuck with factory 140 on first round.  I bet it's what the rifle was tested with.  In fact I have some 140 amax sitting on my desk.  But I also plan on running some loads with H4350 and Berger Hybrids.  Haven't worked them up yet as I need to measure OAL first. My creedmoor comes tomorrow.   Those don't look to impressive.
8/5/2015 9:05:44 PM EDT
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42.0-43.0gr H4350 with a 139-142 class bullet.
8/5/2015 9:08:47 PM EDT
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42.0-43.0gr H4350 with a 139-142 class bullet.
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That seems to be the consensus and no doubt where I'm headed.
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8/5/2015 9:59:42 PM EDT
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How is the stock?  Has anyone switched stocks or the rail?
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8/5/2015 10:11:28 PM EDT
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I picked up two of the 6.5s from deguns this morning. Hope to see them beginning of next week. I have a vortex PST 6-24 ffp mrad to use. Will my Burris medium height xtreme tac rings work or do I need to go higher? Appreciate any insight, can't wait to bang some steel.
8/6/2015 1:12:23 AM EDT
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I picked up two of the 6.5s from deguns this morning. Hope to see them beginning of next week. I have a vortex PST 6-24 ffp mrad to use. Will my Burris medium height xtreme tac rings work or do I need to go higher? Appreciate any insight, can't wait to bang some steel.
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Highs will more than likely be needed.
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8/6/2015 1:30:02 AM EDT
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I picked up two of the 6.5s from deguns this morning. Hope to see them beginning of next week. I have a vortex PST 6-24 ffp mrad to use. Will my Burris medium height xtreme tac rings work or do I need to go higher? Appreciate any insight, can't wait to bang some steel.
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I have the same scope on mine (I'm local to DEGuns and got mine Mon). I used the Bobro B03-200-300 mount.
8/6/2015 9:03:30 AM EDT
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anyone using the PST 6-24x50  with vortex rings? What height are you using?

Would it be worth to step up to the first or even second gen razor?
8/6/2015 9:08:07 AM EDT
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MY RANGE REPORT... short version... I have A LOT of work to do at the loading bench and I was not pleased with todays results... BUT... I'm also keeping in mind the fact I only had ONE load to try. This load shoots fantastic out of my DPMS LR-65 and usually comes in under MOA and it's not a shock on occasion when I get in the half-MOA area with it.

O ADD- I have a couple pounds of H-4350 and lots of W-760 and IMR 4895 to work with. Anyone have some pet loads they want to share I'd like to see what others are having success with.  
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Take that flash suppressor off and try again.
8/6/2015 9:13:17 AM EDT
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anyone using the PST 6-24x50  with vortex rings? What height are you using?



Would it be worth to step up to the first or even second gen razor?
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If you're talking about the vortex rings by Seekins the 1.26" is really going to be pushing it. The 1.45" is a much better option. I don't believe the vortex branded ones come in that height. The razor line is better for sure, but only you can decide if it's worth the price jump.
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8/6/2015 9:14:37 AM EDT
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Take that flash suppressor off and try again.
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:

MY RANGE REPORT... short version... I have A LOT of work to do at the loading bench and I was not pleased with todays results... BUT... I'm also keeping in mind the fact I only had ONE load to try. This load shoots fantastic out of my DPMS LR-65 and usually comes in under MOA and it's not a shock on occasion when I get in the half-MOA area with it.



O ADD- I have a couple pounds of H-4350 and lots of W-760 and IMR 4895 to work with. Anyone have some pet loads they want to share I'd like to see what others are having success with.  





Take that flash suppressor off and try again.
I would also suggested that and not mess with powders other than H4350. Mine shot right out of the box and my biggest group during my OCW test was 1.2"

 
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8/6/2015 10:53:08 AM EDT
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I would also suggested that and not mess with powders other than H4350. Mine shot right out of the box and my biggest group during my OCW test was 1.2"  
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:
MY RANGE REPORT... short version... I have A LOT of work to do at the loading bench and I was not pleased with todays results... BUT... I'm also keeping in mind the fact I only had ONE load to try. This load shoots fantastic out of my DPMS LR-65 and usually comes in under MOA and it's not a shock on occasion when I get in the half-MOA area with it.

O ADD- I have a couple pounds of H-4350 and lots of W-760 and IMR 4895 to work with. Anyone have some pet loads they want to share I'd like to see what others are having success with.  


Take that flash suppressor off and try again.
I would also suggested that and not mess with powders other than H4350. Mine shot right out of the box and my biggest group during my OCW test was 1.2"  


That's a consideration, I've experimented some with FS's on rifles and have NEVER had a noticed accuracy decrease... with both QD FS and brake using a can, I've seen marked improvement in accuracy. I realize there are no absolutes when it comes to whether or not a FS effects accuracy as you will finds folks whose experiences vary... BUT... if the next go does not see improvement, then that will be the next step.

Of course if cranking down on a FS I could see it having adverse effects... I slowly crushed the washer down on this install so as to avoid additional stress at the muzzle.

Agree on the H4350, I have about 2 1/2 pounds to work with.  I'm not all too worried as to whether the rifle will shoot at/under MOA as IMR 4007SSC isn't even made any more... while it seems to work great in my LR-65, I'm not surprised at yesterday's results.
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8/6/2015 11:00:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:


That's a consideration, I've experimented some with FS's on rifles and have NEVER had a noticed accuracy decrease... with both QD FS and brake using a can, I've seen marked improvement in accuracy. I realize there are no absolutes when it comes to whether or not a FS effects accuracy as you will finds folks whose experiences vary... BUT... if the next go does not see improvement, then that will be the next step.

Of course if cranking down on a FS I could see it having adverse effects... I slowly crushed the washer down on this install so as to avoid additional stress at the muzzle.

Agree on the H4350, I have about 2 1/2 pounds to work with.  I'm not all too worried as to whether the rifle will shoot at/under MOA as IMR 4007SSC isn't even made any more... while it seems to work great in my LR-65, I'm not surprised at yesterday's results.
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:
MY RANGE REPORT... short version... I have A LOT of work to do at the loading bench and I was not pleased with todays results... BUT... I'm also keeping in mind the fact I only had ONE load to try. This load shoots fantastic out of my DPMS LR-65 and usually comes in under MOA and it's not a shock on occasion when I get in the half-MOA area with it.

O ADD- I have a couple pounds of H-4350 and lots of W-760 and IMR 4895 to work with. Anyone have some pet loads they want to share I'd like to see what others are having success with.  


Take that flash suppressor off and try again.
I would also suggested that and not mess with powders other than H4350. Mine shot right out of the box and my biggest group during my OCW test was 1.2"  


That's a consideration, I've experimented some with FS's on rifles and have NEVER had a noticed accuracy decrease... with both QD FS and brake using a can, I've seen marked improvement in accuracy. I realize there are no absolutes when it comes to whether or not a FS effects accuracy as you will finds folks whose experiences vary... BUT... if the next go does not see improvement, then that will be the next step.

Of course if cranking down on a FS I could see it having adverse effects... I slowly crushed the washer down on this install so as to avoid additional stress at the muzzle.

Agree on the H4350, I have about 2 1/2 pounds to work with.  I'm not all too worried as to whether the rifle will shoot at/under MOA as IMR 4007SSC isn't even made any more... while it seems to work great in my LR-65, I'm not surprised at yesterday's results.


I'm really not a fan of using a crush washer on a rifle that I expect to shoot with absolute precision.
8/6/2015 11:58:11 AM EDT
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I'm really not a fan of using a crush washer on a rifle that I expect to shoot with absolute precision.
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MY RANGE REPORT... short version... I have A LOT of work to do at the loading bench and I was not pleased with todays results... BUT... I'm also keeping in mind the fact I only had ONE load to try. This load shoots fantastic out of my DPMS LR-65 and usually comes in under MOA and it's not a shock on occasion when I get in the half-MOA area with it.

O ADD- I have a couple pounds of H-4350 and lots of W-760 and IMR 4895 to work with. Anyone have some pet loads they want to share I'd like to see what others are having success with.  


Take that flash suppressor off and try again.
I would also suggested that and not mess with powders other than H4350. Mine shot right out of the box and my biggest group during my OCW test was 1.2"  


That's a consideration, I've experimented some with FS's on rifles and have NEVER had a noticed accuracy decrease... with both QD FS and brake using a can, I've seen marked improvement in accuracy. I realize there are no absolutes when it comes to whether or not a FS effects accuracy as you will finds folks whose experiences vary... BUT... if the next go does not see improvement, then that will be the next step.

Of course if cranking down on a FS I could see it having adverse effects... I slowly crushed the washer down on this install so as to avoid additional stress at the muzzle.

Agree on the H4350, I have about 2 1/2 pounds to work with.  I'm not all too worried as to whether the rifle will shoot at/under MOA as IMR 4007SSC isn't even made any more... while it seems to work great in my LR-65, I'm not surprised at yesterday's results.


I'm really not a fan of using a crush washer on a rifle that I expect to shoot with absolute precision.


Can't argue with that... I'm heading back later today with some 140 A-Max with H4350 and some Sierra 140 Spitzer BT's... don't expect great things there (Sierra) either just a opportunity to shoot some more and get some fire formed brass... will take necessary items to remove FS and do some testing there as well.
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8/6/2015 12:21:21 PM EDT
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I have the same scope on mine (I'm local to DEGuns and got mine Mon). I used the Bobro B03-200-300 mount.
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Originally Posted By RafterMan:
I picked up two of the 6.5s from deguns this morning. Hope to see them beginning of next week. I have a vortex PST 6-24 ffp mrad to use. Will my Burris medium height xtreme tac rings work or do I need to go higher? Appreciate any insight, can't wait to bang some steel.


I have the same scope on mine (I'm local to DEGuns and got mine Mon). I used the Bobro B03-200-300 mount.
http://i.imgur.com/YRIlSKO.jpg


Damn that is a good looking gun
8/6/2015 7:10:12 PM EDT
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RANGE REPORT #2

Same conditions as yesterday, prone with bi-pod and rear bag. Comfortable in the shade and all shots taken felt great except one.

FS was removed, made no difference.

I tried 42.0 and 43.0 H4350 with the 140 A-Max bullets and it appears my rifle simply does not like them.

I tried some older Sierra 140gr Spitzer BT's with 41.0 H4350 and the rifle really liked them... while I've had good accuracy in the past with a "hunting bullet", I must say I was pleased with the results. I have some 130gr Berger Hybrids, some SMK's, and more A-Max coming but I'm going to regulate the A-Max bullets to my LR-65 for now.

The results of the 140gr A-Max with 39.0grs IMR 4007SSC w/o FS...



The 140 A-Max with 42.0 and 43.0 grs H4350...





First go with the Sierra SPBT's... @ 0.800"



Last group of the day, with the Sierra SPBT's... by shot 4 I could see a good thing happening, on the last shot I started to lose that "good" shooting position/feeling and should have stopped... but it went just high and right, still a great group, don't know if it made a difference or not. This went @ 0.700"




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8/6/2015 7:58:45 PM EDT
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8/6/2015 8:26:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By snowman357:
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More info please?
8/6/2015 8:26:46 PM EDT
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Once things die down, I'll be getting the .243 Winchester.
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8/6/2015 10:05:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:


That seems to be the consensus and no doubt where I'm headed.
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Originally Posted By avboiler11:
42.0-43.0gr H4350 with a 139-142 class bullet.


That seems to be the consensus and no doubt where I'm headed.



Isn't 42-43gr of H4350 the de facto for the 260? Wouldn't a lighter charge of 41.3-41.8gr H4350 be more appropriate for the 6.5cm as a starting point/sweet spot for its case capacity?
8/6/2015 10:43:29 PM EDT
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Isn't 42-43gr of H4350 the de facto for the 260? Wouldn't a lighter charge of 41.3-41.8gr H4350 be more appropriate for the 6.5cm as a starting point/sweet spot for its case capacity?
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:
Originally Posted By avboiler11:
42.0-43.0gr H4350 with a 139-142 class bullet.


That seems to be the consensus and no doubt where I'm headed.



Isn't 42-43gr of H4350 the de facto for the 260? Wouldn't a lighter charge of 41.3-41.8gr H4350 be more appropriate for the 6.5cm as a starting point/sweet spot for its case capacity?


I've seen plenty of folks suggesting the same 41.0 to 43.0 range as being effective in the 6.5CM... perhaps it is, but with the 140gr A-Max for now... I'm not seeing it yet in my rifle. Won't hurt to back down to 38.0 to 39.0 next time around though...
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8/6/2015 10:45:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:


Once things die down, I'll be getting the .243 Winchester.
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Originally Posted By snowman357:
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Once things die down, I'll be getting the .243 Winchester.

I think that's the one I'll get, too.

Probably make a .260 barrel for it, too.
"Dragons is so stupid."
8/6/2015 10:48:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:

I think that's the one I'll get, too.

Probably make a .260 barrel for it, too.
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:
Originally Posted By snowman357:
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Once things die down, I'll be getting the .243 Winchester.

I think that's the one I'll get, too.

Probably make a .260 barrel for it, too.



I want one with a 7-08 barrel....
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8/6/2015 10:49:18 PM EDT
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For those that have them, how is weight and balance with optic and mag? Is it comparable to a traditional precision bolt rifle or is the center of balance closer to the magwell?

I'm guessing 14-15 lbs loaded and scope, but is it balanced enough for offhand and easy position shooting and carrying for hunting?
8/6/2015 10:50:24 PM EDT
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Why .243 over 6.5?

I am looking to shoot at least 1000 yards.

I shoot out to 800 already with my OBR in 7.62...
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8/6/2015 11:01:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:


I've seen plenty of folks suggesting the same 41.0 to 43.0 range as being effective in the 6.5CM... perhaps it is, but with the 140gr A-Max for now... I'm not seeing it yet in my rifle. Won't hurt to back down to 38.0 to 39.0 next time around though...
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:
Originally Posted By avboiler11:
42.0-43.0gr H4350 with a 139-142 class bullet.


That seems to be the consensus and no doubt where I'm headed.



Isn't 42-43gr of H4350 the de facto for the 260? Wouldn't a lighter charge of 41.3-41.8gr H4350 be more appropriate for the 6.5cm as a starting point/sweet spot for its case capacity?


I've seen plenty of folks suggesting the same 41.0 to 43.0 range as being effective in the 6.5CM... perhaps it is, but with the 140gr A-Max for now... I'm not seeing it yet in my rifle. Won't hurt to back down to 38.0 to 39.0 next time around though...


You'll be hard pressed to find a great node by jumping 1gr between charges. Hornady suggests 41.5gr, which is what I've seen used in 2 Savage 12 LRP's. The load shot fantastic in both rifles. Since you've established that it isn't over pressure based on your earlier tests, you may be able to tighten it up by trying +/- .2grs from the hornady suggested data. It may help, but each rifle is different. Just a suggestion before you give up on the Amax.
8/6/2015 11:16:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CFII:
Why .243 over 6.5?

I am looking to shoot at least 1000 yards.

I shoot out to 800 already with my OBR in 7.62...
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Personally, I'm deeply invested in the .260 and have A LOT of really good .308 brass, so I don't want or need a Creedmoor.

I have a good bit of .243 brass, too.
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