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Posted: 4/9/2020 11:18:06 PM EDT
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Looks pretty promising, 34mm tube and illumination. They might have a new winner in the budget category! ($800 MSRP, $700 retail) https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-strike-eagle-5-25x56-ffp.html?vortex_reticle=1500
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That looks good for $700.
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Distinguished Pistol, Distinguished Rifle, Distinguished Rimfire Pistol
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This is of great interest to me.
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If it has anything in common with other Strike Eagle scopes I would be very leery.
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Doesn't seem to...etched reticle, Zero Stop, illumination, etc. Probably just reusing the name seeing as none of the Strike Eagles were even FFP.
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And if you are LE/Mil/Fire you can get them for under $500. That is a great deal. At Sport Optic now with the promo code glass13 they are $609.
These actually look like a great option for a rimfire optic. A ton of elevation, great reticle and parallax down to 15 yards. Should work great on a centerfire too. This is not like the original Strike Eagle higher powered optics. |
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: If it has anything in common with other Strike Eagle scopes I would be very leery. View Quote This is entirely different. As with any line - we generally look at the LPVO "Version" as almost in a family of its own, though it may share the same name. The way the optical systems are designed, the way the mechanical design works, etc - everything is so much different. The new 5-25x is legit. It's stupid nice and for the price, it's going to eat away at the sales of our higher end stuff undoubtedly - especially once people start getting it in their hands and realizing how incredibly well built and designed it is. As that one guy once said - "If you're not competing with yourself, someone else is."... Or something like that. |
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The real question is...did you make enough to survive the initial rush?
I'm really digging the specs and pricing. It's gonna be hard to beat this in this price range. |
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Vortex, what will this do that the diamond back tactical wont?
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Originally Posted By Waxman: Vortex, what will this do that the diamond back tactical wont? View Quote - Bigger zoom range - Illuminated reticle - More up to date EBR-7C reticle (Available MOA or MRAD like the DBT) - Locking Turrets - Zero stop in elevation turret - 34mm tube with way more available adjustment It's pretty significant actually. |
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Originally Posted By Waxman: Vortex, what will this do that the diamond back tactical wont? View Quote Look at the specs to compare for yourself if you wanted but Vortex pretty much covered it. I was just writing this when I got a fire call and they beat me to the response. LOL Strike Eagle 5-25 Diamondback Tactical 6-24 |
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Vortex definitely has their shit together. I am SO glad they finally brought viable competition to the Leupold VX5HD with their Razor LHT. I already have so many Gen II Vipers i dont foresee a use for the new 5-25 Strike Eagle but man does it look nice. I am almost to a dozen optics by them at this point and that number grows every year. I will be picking up an LHT for a rifle that used to wear a VX5 so i can test them both out
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Made in China or the Philippines?
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When, and where can we get one? Too bad they are made in china.There are alot of folks In this country that refuse to buy anything Chinese after this present shit show we are dealing with.
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Originally Posted By Waxman: When, and where can we get one? Too bad they are made in china.There are alot of folks In this country that refuse to buy anything Chinese after this present shit show we are dealing with. View Quote Leaves plenty for the rest of us Maybe Vortex can chime in on exacts but I am checking with my Vortex contact now. I know people are ordering them now but don't think they shipped yet. |
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Originally Posted By Waxman: When, and where can we get one? Too bad they are made in china.There are alot of folks In this country that refuse to buy anything Chinese after this present shit show we are dealing with. View Quote As for the China issue, we get it, especially in a time like this. First off, and it probably goes without saying, it's not like we started development on this scope last month. These things take years to finally come to fruition. It's a great optic designed, tested, engineered, sold and backed by an American company with American ideals and a pretty extensive list of other products not made in China, too. The only reason we're able to employ as many Americans as we do or work on unique projects like the overwhelmingly American-made AMG stuff and some other stuff we can't even talk about yet is because products like this provide so many customers an incredible value and keep the lights on around here. We get it, though - this latest situation is still fresh and entirely unique, and there are a lot of emotions/opinions swirling around. If people choose to refuse to purchase any products made in China, they are more than welcome to do so. Just looking at our line there are plenty of other options made in places like the Philippines or Japan. If anyone prefers American only, it's hard to argue against the scope that's hand-built in Barneveld, WI with American-made components and, very uniquely, even lenses made in the USA (Except the German-made reticle...) in our Razor HD AMG. It's the best scope we make. It also happens to be $2500... If people start buying even more of those, we'll start making even more of them! Pretty low volume product, though, relatively speaking. |
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Thanks for answering. Was just coming in to pass on the info but you beat me to it. Lol
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics: Should start shipping out this week. Al over at AAOptics actually had/has a couple in stock as of today that were up on his website last we checked. We're on time with things - a little slower paced than usual, but still on time. As for the China issue, we get it, especially in a time like this. First off, and it probably goes without saying, it's not like we started development on this scope last month. These things take years to finally come to fruition. It's a great optic designed, tested, engineered, sold and backed by an American company with American ideals and a pretty extensive list of other products not made in China, too. The only reason we're able to employ as many Americans as we do or work on unique projects like the overwhelmingly American-made AMG stuff and some other stuff we can't even talk about yet is because products like this provide so many customers an incredible value and keep the lights on around here. We get it, though - this latest situation is still fresh and entirely unique, and there are a lot of emotions/opinions swirling around. If people choose to refuse to purchase any products made in China, they are more than welcome to do so. Just looking at our line there are plenty of other options made in places like the Philippines or Japan. If anyone prefers American only, it's hard to argue against the scope that's hand-built in Barneveld, WI with American-made components and, very uniquely, even lenses made in the USA (Except the German-made reticle...) in our Razor HD AMG. It's the best scope we make. It also happens to be $2500... If people start buying even more of those, we'll start making even more of them! Pretty low volume product, though, relatively speaking. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By VortexOptics: Originally Posted By Waxman: When, and where can we get one? Too bad they are made in china.There are alot of folks In this country that refuse to buy anything Chinese after this present shit show we are dealing with. As for the China issue, we get it, especially in a time like this. First off, and it probably goes without saying, it's not like we started development on this scope last month. These things take years to finally come to fruition. It's a great optic designed, tested, engineered, sold and backed by an American company with American ideals and a pretty extensive list of other products not made in China, too. The only reason we're able to employ as many Americans as we do or work on unique projects like the overwhelmingly American-made AMG stuff and some other stuff we can't even talk about yet is because products like this provide so many customers an incredible value and keep the lights on around here. We get it, though - this latest situation is still fresh and entirely unique, and there are a lot of emotions/opinions swirling around. If people choose to refuse to purchase any products made in China, they are more than welcome to do so. Just looking at our line there are plenty of other options made in places like the Philippines or Japan. If anyone prefers American only, it's hard to argue against the scope that's hand-built in Barneveld, WI with American-made components and, very uniquely, even lenses made in the USA (Except the German-made reticle...) in our Razor HD AMG. It's the best scope we make. It also happens to be $2500... If people start buying even more of those, we'll start making even more of them! Pretty low volume product, though, relatively speaking. Wow now that is one hell of an answer.You need to start doing the writing for political campaigns. I have scoured every optic made to find the perfect nrl 22 scope.I did buy a Athlon tac, but am not in love with it.I am the biggest fan in the world of the pst gene 5-25, so this should be a perfect companion for it. |
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The viper PST gen 2 5x25x50 can be found for $799. Newbie to decent glass, so please help me here. Get the new strike eagle 5x25x50 or the viper pst gen 2 5x25x50? Please explain why you'd choose on or the other?
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Vortex just mic dropped I believe
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I was all set to order one of these, but there 2 issues that I don't think I could live with. Now maybe more experienced rifle match shooters can correct me, if i am wrong.
#1, What possible purpose does a zero stop serve if it does not stop the turret on your zero? I would think in a match or anytime really, you would want to be able to just turn your turret back to your known zero and shoot, or knowingly readjust from zero.Why would you want to deal with those extra 5 clicks past zero?If there was truly a target closer then zero, wouldn't you just use your reticle? #2.When I watched the guy in the video turn the turrets, they do not rise out of the scope. On my pst gen2, and my nightforce, you know exactly how many rotations you have on the turret by the little scale as the turret rises.There was no rising on the strike eagle.Without turning all the way down to zero, and restarting ,how do you know where you are? 1 revolution, 6 revolutions? I would like to hear VortexOptics reasoning on this. |
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I'll take a stab at it..most people recommend going past the click value you want by at least a few clicks, then coming back to the right mark..it is designed to make sure the adjustment moves completely..the zero stop is very simple to use, screw down till the knob stops, then simply click back up the 5 clicks to zero..And sometimes people want to be able to adjust down under their zero, especially if they have a longer zero set then 100 yards...
As for no rev indicator that moves with the turret..meh, the turret has 2 sets of numbers to represent both the first revolution, and then the second revolution...so its pretty easy to know where you are...If it works the same way my razor does it will just do slightly over 2 full revolutions..pretty easy to keep track of, or at least it has been on my razor... And just so the man can answer....@VortexOptics |
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Originally Posted By AKSnowRider: I'll take a stab at it..most people recommend going past the click value you want by at least a few clicks, then coming back to the right mark..it is designed to make sure the adjustment moves completely..the zero stop is very simple to use, screw down till the knob stops, then simply click back up the 5 clicks to zero..And sometimes people want to be able to adjust down under their zero, especially if they have a longer zero set then 100 yards... As for no rev indicator that moves with the turret..meh, the turret has 2 sets of numbers to represent both the first revolution, and then the second revolution...so its pretty easy to know where you are...If it works the same way my razor does it will just do slightly over 2 full revolutions..pretty easy to keep track of, or at least it has been on my razor... And just so the man can answer....@VortexOptics View Quote I could be wrong ,but in the vortex video, it showed the turret making several complete rotations. |
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Originally Posted By Waxman: I could be wrong ,but in the vortex video, it showed the turret making several complete rotations. View Quote Look at the numbers..its 0-25 for one full revolution on the MOA scope, then in parenthesis() it goes from 26 to 49, which is 2 full turns of the zero stop, then it will go up some amount more for what is the 3rd turn depending on where your adjuster ends up based on the mount(-0-/20moa/40moa)... on my razor thats a max of 21 moa with a 20 moa mount.... I just doubt it is that hard to use, I never look at the indicator pin on my razor, I turn it up and if I question where its at I just quickly crank it back to the zero stop and go again... |
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Originally Posted By Waxman: I was all set to order one of these, but there 2 issues that I don't think I could live with. Now maybe more experienced rifle match shooters can correct me, if i am wrong. #1, What possible purpose does a zero stop serve if it does not stop the turret on your zero? I would think in a match or anytime really, you would want to be able to just turn your turret back to your known zero and shoot, or knowingly readjust from zero.Why would you want to deal with those extra 5 clicks past zero?If there was truly a target closer then zero, wouldn't you just use your reticle? #2.When I watched the guy in the video turn the turrets, they do not rise out of the scope. On my pst gen2, and my nightforce, you know exactly how many rotations you have on the turret by the little scale as the turret rises.There was no rising on the strike eagle.Without turning all the way down to zero, and restarting ,how do you know where you are? 1 revolution, 6 revolutions? I would like to hear VortexOptics reasoning on this. View Quote The few clicks below is common for most scopes with zero stops. My S&Bs did it, Razor IIs do it and even with a scope that isn't specifically set up like that I set mine with .5 mils below the zero as you never know if you might need a little below but also so you don't drop to complete stop at 0. I do it with my PST Gen IIs. As for the rotations, you get 25 MOA or 10 mils per turn. Depending on the base you use you will probably be only two turns up and if you use the zero stop you will only have one full rotation and then a partial on the second as that is the way it is set up. You will never be at 6 rotations. It would not be hard to figure out your rotation with the scope. You have to remember is that you start adding things to a scope it adds to the price. Sometimes it's a give and take to get a scope at a lower price point that gives most all the features you want. |
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110 MOA of adjustment, 25 moa each full rotation. If you have a 20, or 30 moa rail, you will likely have more then 2 full turns.Full range of the turret is four and change.
As I mentioned, I have never shot a sanctioned rifle match, but I do shoot alot on my range with friends. If I am shooting at say, 600, and need to get back to my 200 yard zero, I just crank till the turret stops.If I needed to go to 300, I crank to zero, and then count what's needed from my zero.I would hate to do all of that, and then have to count out 5 individual clicks each time. Can you answer, why you wouldn't just use your reticle for targets closer then your zero? I now have a second pst gen 2, so it doesn't really matter to me anymore either way.I am just citing the reasons, I decided against this scope. |
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Originally Posted By Waxman: 110 MOA of adjustment, 25 moa each full rotation. If you have a 20, or 30 moa rail, you will likely have more then 2 full turns.Full range of the turret is four and change. As I mentioned, I have never shot a sanctioned rifle match, but I do shoot alot on my range with friends. If I am shooting at say, 600, and need to get back to my 200 yard zero, I just crank till the turret stops.If I needed to go to 300, I crank to zero, and then count what's needed from my zero.I would hate to do all of that, and then have to count out 5 individual clicks each time. Can you answer, why you wouldn't just use your reticle for targets closer then your zero? I now have a second pst gen 2, so it doesn't really matter to me anymore either way.I am just citing the reasons, I decided against this scope. View Quote If you use the zero stop you will only get one and about 3/4 of a turn as it cuts down the amount of elevation no matter the MOA of the base. You get 18 mils or around 47/48 MOA with zero stop so you see you only get less than two revs and a zero stop so a rev indicator is not a great loss. The Vortex AMG does not have a rev indicator either and it's not a problem. With the Mil version of the Strike Eagle you get 10 mils per turn and on a center fire that gets even a .308 close to 1000 yards. for 6.5 and 6mms you will not even use a full rev. 10 mils will get a .22 to about 280 yards. If you like having a hard zero then the scope might not be for you but it is only .5 mils or 1.25 MOA below the zero. Not something that is crazy and many use them. As I said I set my PSTs up like that too. The reason is more important if you have a 200 yard zero like you do but yes you can use your reticle to hold under as well. That comes down to personal preference and the amount of precision you need. With a .22 and a 50 yard zero you do need to dial down below the zero for some of the 30-45 yard area. When shooting very small targets it is easier to dial than hold. The Strike Eagle may not be for you but they set it up that way as more people like having that small amount below the zero than do not. |
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OK so a couple things here:
- The reason the zero stop doesn't stop on exactly your zero is because there are cases in which some shooters would want to dial just past their zero. If the zero stop had a hard stop right on that zero, it leaves no potential for flexibility should the opportunity present itself. You actually CAN set this zero stop up so it stops perfectly on your zero if you so wish. Just sight in the riflescope and then dial up 5 clicks from that zeroed spot. Set the zero stop there, and then it will hard stop right on the zero. It's not a mushy stop at all - it is an exact stop exactly 5 clicks beyond zero every single time - The term you're looking for for a turret that moves up and down or not is "Translational" or "Non-Translational". There turrets are "Non-Translational" in that they don't move up or down when you dial. As one of the other guys here pointed out, you get a ton of adjustment per rotation for starters. 10 mils in one rev is enough to get your 6.5 Creed dang near 1,000 yards. From there, with the zero stop installed, you won't be able to go another full second revolution because it will eventually limit you. This might not be an issue though, because depending on where your scope is zeroed in its travel, the scope itself could just run out of adjustment before the zero stop actually runs out. It gives you 18 Mils or 47 MOA of adjustment which is quite a lot. Basically - if you need to be dialing more than 2 revs in this scope (Which you could do if you removed the zero stop), which would mean you're dialing more than 20 Mils or 50 MOA, then chances are you're not PRS-ing or run and gunning to the point that you might forget what rev you're on. |
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Mine arrives Monday. Anyone received one? How's the glass clarity?
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Originally Posted By JazzFan: Mine arrives Monday. Anyone received one? How's the glass clarity? View Quote Yup I got mine the other day. Glass is actually very good for the price range. Good wide FOV at 25x and the knobs feel good and clicks are audible and tactile although not as much as a Razor or the PST Gen II. For the price though it's a hell of a lot of scope. You will be happy with yours when it shows up. I am just waiting on my rings to show up to get mine mounted. |
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Originally Posted By Rob01: Yup I got mine the other day. Glass is actually very good for the price range. Good wide FOV at 25x and the knobs feel good and clicks are audible and tactile although not as much as a Razor or the PST Gen II. For the price though it's a hell of a lot of scope. You will be happy with yours when it shows up. I am just waiting on my rings to show up to get mine mounted. View Quote Thanks. Hope to go sight mine in tuesday morning. |
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So a PST made in China.....no thanks.
Vortex, as an American company, I appreciate what you’re doing, but I hard pass on anything you have produced in China. My voice as a customer is to ask you to pull out of China completely. |
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Originally Posted By JazzFan: The viper PST gen 2 5x25x50 can be found for $799. Newbie to decent glass, so please help me here. Get the new strike eagle 5x25x50 or the viper pst gen 2 5x25x50? Please explain why you'd choose on or the other? View Quote PST2 hands down. Spend the couple hundred for something not made in China. Vortex’s China factory makes all of their low end stuff. IMHO, it’s worth the couple hundred to upgrade to the non-China made optics. |
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Originally Posted By DodgeDakota: So a PST made in China.....no thanks. Vortex, as an American company, I appreciate what you're doing, but I hard pass on anything you have produced in China. My voice as a customer is to ask you to pull out of China completely. View Quote We get it - China is no one's favorite country right now. Who said we haven't been doing our best to explore as many other options as possible? Everyone wants a dramatic reaction, but the fact is this is business and there are a lot of American interests that would be negatively affected by following emotions and just pulling a good chunk of products because of their physical location of manufacture. Any and all resources currently being devoted to finding other factories or building up production in the states or even at our HQ don't just happen for free and would be affected negatively. To pull those products also alienates a great deal of customers who are probably just going to go elsewhere to a different product made in China, hurts the livelihood of many of our hundreds of employees locally here in Wisconsin, and also hurts development of pieces of equipment like this, for example, which are being developed for our nation's military - https://soldiersystems.net/2020/04/20/vortex-awarded-ota-for-armys-next-gen-squad-weapon-fire-control-prototype-program/ A change like that would/will take time. Just because it hasn't happened over night doesn't mean it isn't being investigated or that we simply don't care. There are just more variables than many people realize or care to pay attention to. |
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics: No.... The PST is physically made in the Philippines. A change like that would/will take time. Just because it hasn't happened over night doesn't mean it isn't being investigated or that we simply don't care. There are just more variables than many people realize or care to pay attention to. View Quote Apologies, my statement was that this Strike Eagle 5-25 is basically a cheaper made in China PST. I understand that the actual PST is made in your PI plant. I just really can’t support the Chinese SE with my money when it’s basically a Chinese cheap version of a product that’s already available. Hope you guys do end up pulling out of China, and hope that you are seriously considering that, and I fully understand that’s not a quick or easy thing to do. But it is the right thing to do, and I think your customer base would agree. I’ll continue buying your non Chinese stuff regardless. |
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Originally Posted By DodgeDakota: Apologies, my statement was that this Strike Eagle 5-25 is basically a cheaper made in China PST. I understand that the actual PST is made in your PI plant. I just really can't support the Chinese SE with my money when it's basically a Chinese cheap version of a product that's already available. Hope you guys do end up pulling out of China, and hope that you are seriously considering that, and I fully understand that's not a quick or easy thing to do. But it is the right thing to do, and I think your customer base would agree. I'll continue buying your non Chinese stuff regardless. View Quote We will see what the future holds. Just have to get through the chaos for now. Thanks! |
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Well I made it to the range today and even though I don;t have the Strike Eagle mounted up yet I was able to do some good comparisons with the 5-25 PST Gen II. I looked at targets from 100 to 550 yards, which is as far as the range went.
The Strike Eagle did very well. My friend Gary was out there too and looked through the Strike Eagle and he himself is a PST Gen II 5-25 owner and had his as well as mine out there to compare. We both agreed the PST just edged out the Strike Eagle for glass clarity but it was close. The clarity to the edge of glass was actually pretty good also. Again slightly better in the PST but not by much. Feild of View is one place the Strike Eagle seemed to slightly be better. At 25x with both scope you get the following in the reticle for hold over. Strike Eagle: full 7 mils viewable on reticle. You can see down to 8.5 mils and on the 8 mil line you had 3 mils of wind visible to use. PST Gen II: Full 6 mils of viewable. You can see down to 8 mils and on the 7 mil line you had 4 mils of wind visible to use. I had my PST on an AR in a 0 MOA base and zeroed I had 10 mils of elevation. Gary had his on a 20 MOA base and had about 16 mils of elevation. With that even with the zero stop set up and you getting 18 mils of elevation you still get more than the PSTs. Just something for people to contemplate. Again I can not wait for the rings to show up and I can get it mounted up on my Vudoo with the 40 MOA base. I will post back elevation info with both the zero stop and without. |
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Originally Posted By Rob01: Well I made it to the range today and even though I don;t have the Strike Eagle mounted up yet I was able to do some good comparisons with the 5-25 PST Gen II. I looked at targets from 100 to 550 yards, which is as far as the range went. The Strike Eagle did very well. My friend Gary was out there too and looked through the Strike Eagle and he himself is a PST Gen II 5-25 owner and had his as well as mine out there to compare. We both agreed the PST just edged out the Strike Eagle for glass clarity but it was close. The clarity to the edge of glass was actually pretty good also. Again slightly better in the PST but not by much. Feild of View is one place the Strike Eagle seemed to slightly be better. At 25x with both scope you get the following in the reticle for hold over. Strike Eagle: full 7 mils viewable on reticle. You can see down to 8.5 mils and on the 8 mil line you had 3 mils of wind visible to use. PST Gen II: Full 6 mils of viewable. You can see down to 8 mils and on the 7 mil line you had 4 mils of wind visible to use. I had my PST on an AR in a 0 MOA base and zeroed I had 10 mils of elevation. Gary had his on a 20 MOA base and had about 16 mils of elevation. With that even with the zero stop set up and you getting 18 mils of elevation you still get more than the PSTs. Just something for people to contemplate. Again I can not wait for the rings to show up and I can get it mounted up on my Vudoo with the 40 MOA base. I will post back elevation info with both the zero stop and without. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics: Nice! Sounds about right. And yes indeed the FOV on the SE is actually larger so that makes sense. Thanks for the feedback thus far! View Quote I for one am very happy about this offering. I don't care about the logistics, or where something is made, just that it's from a reputable company like Vortex who will stand behind it, and most importantly that it works well for my application. I'll be buying one this next pay day. Can't wait to try it out. It will be replacing my old reliable Vortex HS 5x15 mildot SFP. So a huge step up! eta. Just ordered. |
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For use on that .22, does it have a clear image if you dial it down to 25 yards?
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