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Posted: 10/30/2021 8:38:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lovemyak47]
Hello. I’ve been bitten by the 308 bug and picked up a brand new scar 17s to scratch that itch
 I heard that the scar platform like to beat on the optics and kill them. I have a eotech exps3 that I’ll put on it for now but, I would like to take it up to 600 yards thats what my local ranges have. So I’m Thinking cqb-500-600 yards optic. What optic would you recommend?and I’ll also need a scope mount. Here’s a pic of the scar because it was out away in waiting jail for 10-14 days   Attached File |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 8:50:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shortround]
[#1]
Trijicon TA11E-G is my choice. 308 BDC.
  It's in a Larue QD mount. I also have a Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8x36mm MR/T M2 Illum. Reticle TMR in a Larue LT-104 as a backup. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 8:54:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shortround: Trijicon TA11E-G is my choice. 308 BDC. https://www.trijicon.com/uploads/product-uploads/TA11E-G_315-812-1565992507.jpg https://www.trijicon.com/uploads/product-uploads/reticle-images/TA11E-G_GreenChevron.jpg Is the eye relief as bad as the 556 4x Acogs? |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 8:55:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shortround: Trijicon TA11E-G is my choice. 308 BDC. https://www.trijicon.com/uploads/product-uploads/TA11E-G_315-812-1565992507.jpg https://www.trijicon.com/uploads/product-uploads/reticle-images/TA11E-G_GreenChevron.jpg It's in a Larue QD mount. I also have a Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8x36mm MR/T M2 Illum. Reticle TMR in a Larue LT-104 as a backup. How do you like the mark 4 scope? I was thinking maybe razor? Or even pst? |
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USA
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Posted: 10/30/2021 8:57:03 PM EDT
[#4]
CQB and 600 yards?!
Elcan SpecterDR 1-4x and done.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 8:57:55 PM EDT
[#5]
Look at the Razor III 1-10. Excellent optic.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 9:00:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lovemyak47]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mike_Golf: CQB and 600 yards?! Elcan SpecterDR 1-4x and done. I honestly thought about it but, the price and weight are hard to swallow. Maybe I’ll take out the cqb aspect out of the equation. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2021 9:14:04 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lovemyak47: Is the eye relief as bad as the 556 4x Acogs? The Eye relief on the 3.5x TA11 ACOGs is a lot better than the 4x ACOGs. I have one on mine and you don't have to stick your eye right close to the eyepiece to get a decent eyebox. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 9:39:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Daggertt]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lovemyak47: I honestly thought about it but, the price and weight are hard to swallow. Maybe I'll take out the cqb aspect out of the equation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lovemyak47: Originally Posted By Mike_Golf: CQB and 600 yards?! Elcan SpecterDR 1-4x and done. I honestly thought about it but, the price and weight are hard to swallow. Maybe I'll take out the cqb aspect out of the equation. And buy used from the ee. I picked mine up for $1200.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 10:30:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lovemyak47: I honestly thought about it but, the price and weight are hard to swallow. Maybe I’ll take out the cqb aspect out of the equation. You don’t have to. Get a Razor and it will do what you need. I would say the 1-10 but even the 1-6 will do it. From CQB to 600. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 11:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErauRifleman: The Eye relief on the 3.5x TA11 ACOGs is a lot better than the 4x ACOGs. I have one on mine and you don't have to stick your eye right close to the eyepiece to get a decent eyebox. That’s good to know . |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 11:29:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: It's lighter weight than most lpvos with a mount. And buy used from the ee. I picked mine up for $1200. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/435611/Screenshot_20211031-044510_Gallery_jpg-2149341.JPG Man that looks awesome, good set up brother. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 11:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: You don’t have to. Get a Razor and it will do what you need. I would say the 1-10 but even the 1-6 will do it. From CQB to 600. That’s what my #1 choice was. So it’s safe to assume they can withstand the recoil? |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2021 12:14:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2021 1:30:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2021 2:11:48 AM EDT
[#15]
Yeah if price and weight are considerations, the elcan in 4x or 6x is going to be lighter weight by several oz than any of the razor or us optics options suggested once you factor in a mount and probably a very similar price point depending on where you look.
The elcan's 23oz includes the integral mount. If you want 1-8x or 10x then that's a price you'll have to pay. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2021 8:15:40 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mike_Golf: CQB and 600 yards?! Elcan SpecterDR 1-4x and done. |
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Posted: 10/31/2021 8:28:53 AM EDT
[#17]
I'm really happy with the Razor 1x6 in a Geissele mount. If the Razor 1x10 had been out at the time, I would have picked that.
I've only shot it out to 200 yds so far  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/31/2021 9:08:18 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lovemyak47: That’s what my #1 choice was. So it’s safe to assume they can withstand the recoil? Yea they can. Which were you looking at? If you can swing it I would really recommend the 1-10. If trying to keep cost down then the 1-6 will do the job also. With both you get true 1x for anything close. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 4:06:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RumbleTruck: I'm really happy with the Razor 1x6 in a Geissele mount. If the Razor 1x10 had been out at the time, I would have picked that. I've only shot it out to 200 yds so far https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99724/IMG_20170724_132838983_jpg-2149666.JPG Looking sharp. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 4:07:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Yea they can. Which were you looking at? If you can swing it I would really recommend the 1-10. If trying to keep cost down then the 1-6 will do the job also. With both you get true 1x for anything close. I’m thinking the 1-6 because of the cost. I see them regularly for $1000 or less on EE. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 4:09:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lovemyak47]
[#21]
Someone just posted that Fn came out with a none reciprocating charging handle. Man I wish I knew that before buying it
 I know there will be a retro kit for it but, that’s another cost. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 4:20:01 AM EDT
[#22]
You could also look at the Nightforce NX8 1-8x. At 17oz it’s a bit lighter than the Razor 1-10 and still reliable on the 17S.
FYI, if you re-size the gas control screw down to a 1.35-1.40mm (depending on the ammo you shoot) the Scar is much nicer to your optics. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 8:24:44 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lovemyak47: I’m thinking the 1-6 because of the cost. I see them regularly for $1000 or less on EE. Yeah if keeping the cost down then that’s an easy choice. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 8:35:25 AM EDT
[#24]
It is known to beat on optics. Ask around about what works best.
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Posted: 11/1/2021 2:03:57 PM EDT
[#25]
Strictly speaking about Elcan.
Is there is difference between 4x and 6x? Yea yea, I know the 6x is more magnification. Is it useful with the Elcan? Is there a quality difference between the two scope? Any issues with the 1.5-6x? Either way, I’d like one with the 7.62 reticle and in FDE. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 2:10:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Arty8]
[#26]
Not on Topic, but wait til black friday and order the grissele super scar trigger. My stock trigger sucked and with the right ammo, shoots 1/2 MOA. Best $250 I ever spent.
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Posted: 11/1/2021 2:31:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver: Strictly speaking about Elcan. Is there is difference between 4x and 6x? Yea yea, I know the 6x is more magnification. Is it useful with the Elcan? Is there a quality difference between the two scope? Any issues with the 1.5-6x? Either way, I'd like one with the 7.62 reticle and in FDE. I mean the 4x is great, but I just would rather have the 6x top end for a 308. If they ever released their 6x fixed scope I'd actually prefer that with an rmr on top. |
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Posted: 11/1/2021 2:31:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Daggertt]
[#28]
Double tap
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Posted: 11/1/2021 6:27:45 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: I mean the 4x is great, but I just would rather have the 6x top end for a 308. If they ever released their 6x fixed scope I'd actually prefer that with an rmr on top. Just get a Razor 1-6 and you got a red dot to 6x.  |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2021 10:10:07 PM EDT
[#30]
A good LPVO should fit this bill.
Nightforce ATACR 1-8x  Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x 
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KY, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2021 10:49:14 PM EDT
[#31]
Primary Arms PLx 1-8 with Griffin reticle.
34mm tube, good illumination, robust, excellent glass...it's a sleeper. Basically a more affordable Mk6 IMO. |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 6:22:41 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: A good LPVO should fit this bill. Nightforce ATACR 1-8x https://i.imgur.com/F60HRYu.jpg?2 Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x https://photos-us.bazaarvoice.com/photo/2/cGhvdG86dm9ydGV4LW9wdGljcw/00cb8391-df00-58d7-a731-77dabdba83f0 Looking good @Sniper3142 Did you replace the gas jets on your 17 for the cans? |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 1:07:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: They are both excellent quality. Really the only difference is the magnification levels. I played with the 6x in Afghanistan and own a 4x. If I could find a used 6x for anywhere near what I paid for the 4x I'd buy it and sell the 4x or move it to a 556 sbr. I mean the 4x is great, but I just would rather have the 6x top end for a 308. If they ever released their 6x fixed scope I'd actually prefer that with an rmr on top. @daggertt Thanks. Strictly looking at your last paragraph. What about the Trij TA55 and Rmr? Too heavy? |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 1:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver: @daggertt Thanks. Strictly looking at your last paragraph. What about the Trij TA55 and Rmr? Too heavy? |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 4:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RumbleTruck: Looking good @Sniper3142 Did you replace the gas jets on your 17 for the cans? Sorry, those aren't my pictures.
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Posted: 11/3/2021 11:18:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bravo_220: You could also look at the Nightforce NX8 1-8x. At 17oz it’s a bit lighter than the Razor 1-10 and still reliable on the 17S. FYI, if you re-size the gas control screw down to a 1.35-1.40mm (depending on the ammo you shoot) the Scar is much nicer to your optics. Thanks for the tip 
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Posted: 11/3/2021 11:19:23 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Yeah if keeping the cost down then that’s an easy choice. 
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Posted: 11/3/2021 11:22:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arty8: Not on Topic, but wait til black friday and order the grissele super scar trigger. My stock trigger sucked and with the right ammo, shoots 1/2 MOA. Best $250 I ever spent. That’s my plan. I also want to buy a kdg rail. |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 11:23:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Just get a Razor 1-6 and you got a red dot to 6x.
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Posted: 11/3/2021 11:25:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: A good LPVO should fit this bill. Nightforce ATACR 1-8x https://i.imgur.com/F60HRYu.jpg?2 Vortex Razor Gen3 1-10x https://photos-us.bazaarvoice.com/photo/2/cGhvdG86dm9ydGV4LW9wdGljcw/00cb8391-df00-58d7-a731-77dabdba83f0 Dude those are beautiful, Congratulations and thank you for the Gun Porn. |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 11:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By minion42: Primary Arms PLx 1-8 with Griffin reticle. 34mm tube, good illumination, robust, excellent glass...it's a sleeper. Basically a more affordable Mk6 IMO. Will definitely look into that. |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 11:30:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Hey guys just a quick question. Is there any real difference between scars that are made in Belgium compared to the ones made in the states? Besides the fact that one was made overseas:
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:56:00 PM EDT
[#43]
the belgium ones retain more value as a collectors item, the new non reciprocating should be better and slightly lighter, fixed the optic abuse etc.
I would do: •LED Acog 3.5x Green horseshoe reticle •Elcan Specter 1.5-6x •LPVO - Vortex razor 1-6x / 1-10x - NF 1-8 if you got the doe •Eotech + 3/5x magnifier the 3.5 x acog is all you need for combat and targets etc, throw on a offset or piggy back rmr and your g2g, if you need more zoom go to the others. I have a LNIB Elcan Specter 1.5-6x if interested |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:12:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bluemax_1]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: You don’t have to. Get a Razor and it will do what you need. I would say the 1-10 but even the 1-6 will do it. From CQB to 600. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By lovemyak47: I honestly thought about it but, the price and weight are hard to swallow. Maybe I’ll take out the cqb aspect out of the equation. You don’t have to. Get a Razor and it will do what you need. I would say the 1-10 but even the 1-6 will do it. From CQB to 600. This. Plus, the Razor goes with the 17S's "50 Shades of FDE" theme  Seriously though, that's what lives on my FDE 17S (and I only have the 1-6. Still haven't checked out the 1-10 yet, but it sounds like a perfect match for a 16" .308). I also have a TA11-G ACOG, but that's currently not mounted on anything. It's really good (and yes, the eye relief on the 3.5x ACOGs is a lot better than the 4x ACOGs. Going from memory, ~2.5 - 3" vs ~1"?), but I guess ACOGs aren't really my thing. I've tried the Bindon Aiming Concept, and while it works, I prefer the 1x on my Razor and K16i for up close. And yes, the bronze colored G2/G3 Razor(s) (lots of rounds through my 4.5 -27x as well) are proven to hold up on 17Ss. Can't say the same for the other Vortex scopes (killed both a PST AND a Razor HD AMG with very low round counts. Knocked the PST's reticle loose in under 100 rounds. Knocked the AMG's elevation adjustment offline in TWENTY-FIVE shots  ).P.S. You mentioned CQB (the 17S is a great .308 option if you want more close range thump/barrier performance. Much easier to maneuver than my 18" G2 SASS). Don't know if you have, or are considering NODs, but a Razor 1-6/1-10 with a piggybacked adjustable RMR is AWESOME for that. Puts the RMR at an ideal height for use with NODs. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 8:25:57 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: This. Plus, the Razor goes with the 17S's "50 Shades of FDE" theme Seriously though, that's what lives on my FDE 17S (and I only have the 1-6. Still haven't checked out the 1-10 yet, but it sounds like a perfect match for a 16" .308). I also have a TA11-G ACOG, but that's currently not mounted on anything. It's really good (and yes, the eye relief on the 3.5x ACOGs is a lot better than the 4x ACOGs. Going from memory, ~2.5 - 3" vs ~1"?), but I guess ACOGs aren't really my thing. I've tried the Bindon Aiming Concept, and while it works, I prefer the 1x on my Razor and K16i for up close. And yes, the bronze colored G2/G3 Razor(s) (lots of rounds through my 4.5 -27x as well) are proven to hold up on 17Ss. Can't say the same for the other Vortex scopes (killed both a PST AND a Razor HD AMG with very low round counts. Knocked the PST's reticle loose in under 100 rounds. Knocked the AMG's elevation adjustment offline in TWENTY-FIVE shots ).P.S. You mentioned CQB (the 17S is a great .308 option if you want more close range thump/barrier performance. Much easier to maneuver than my 18" G2 SASS). Don't know if you have, or are considering NODs, but a Razor 1-6/1-10 with a piggybacked adjustable RMR is AWESOME for that. Puts the RMR at an ideal height for use with NODs. That’s one option I might go with. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 8:26:25 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Radiant: the belgium ones retain more value as a collectors item, the new non reciprocating should be better and slightly lighter, fixed the optic abuse etc. I would do: •LED Acog 3.5x Green horseshoe reticle •Elcan Specter 1.5-6x •LPVO - Vortex razor 1-6x / 1-10x - NF 1-8 if you got the doe •Eotech + 3/5x magnifier the 3.5 x acog is all you need for combat and targets etc, throw on a offset or piggy back rmr and your g2g, if you need more zoom go to the others. I have a LNIB Elcan Specter 1.5-6x if interested Message sent |
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