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Posted: 7/22/2020 9:51:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MiamiSniper]
I have a Remington 700P 26" in 308, will take a class this Sunday, I was told to bring Match ammo.
today I was able to find: Federal premium 175 matchking bthp Federal premium 168 matchking bthp Hornandy Match 168 bthp the question is, are those good enough? if so which is the better one? Thanks in advance.  Attached File |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2020 9:59:20 PM EDT
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Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr is widely considered "the standard" of 308 match grade ammo.
Chance are, your rifle will shoot one better than the others. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 10:04:02 PM EDT
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My guess is it will like the 168s better. The 175s need a faster twister rate, something most .308 700s don’t come with.
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Posted: 7/22/2020 10:14:13 PM EDT
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The 168s will do better for you. There are other choices but for this class. you're good. You'll need to verify dope for each load you shoot. They will NOT be the same muzzle velocity.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2020 10:42:42 PM EDT
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I place my money on the Federal 168.
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Posted: 7/22/2020 11:18:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VSmith6: My guess is it will like the 168s better. The 175s need a faster twister rate, something most .308 700s don't come with. Nick |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 11:26:47 PM EDT
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Cool guys, thanks, I also picked up an Armalite AR10, I believe the barrel is 18" do you guys think I can use the 175 grain on it?
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Posted: 7/23/2020 1:19:45 AM EDT
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Nice rifle.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 3:22:54 AM EDT
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Correct me if I am wrong here please.
But you've been here 18 years with the handle Miamisniper, and you're just now taking your first precision shooting class? |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 3:24:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiamiSniper: Cool guys, thanks, I also picked up an Armalite AR10, I believe the barrel is 18" do you guys think I can use the 175 grain on it? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/21371/4F0DB63B-885F-4B7F-BB1C-EACC91902D14_JPG-1515297.JPG You should be fine with the ar10. Mine likes them. Ar10tc. |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 11:34:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VSmith6: My guess is it will like the 168s better. The 175s need a faster twister rate, something most .308 700s don’t come with. No it doesn't. The 175 will shoot in 12 twist barrels just fine. OP first how far will you be shooting at the class? How much of each ammo do you have and what do you need for the class? Most classes are 200-300 rounds. Any of the three will work in that rifle but as mentioned sometimes rifles like one ammo better than another. You would want to shoot them and see what your rifle likes. If the class is this weekend you really procrastinated in getting ammo but you could always take the three to the class and test them during zeroing and see what shoots best. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 7/28/2020 12:50:47 PM EDT
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I have the exact same rifle for a short while now and although my round count is still pretty low I’ve liked the Federal Sierra 168 matchking BTHP best. Your rifle might like another cartridge better but it’s hard to beat that cartridge.
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Posted: 7/28/2020 5:08:04 PM EDT
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Rem700 AAC 20" 1-10 here and the 175's shoot sub MOA all day if I do my part. Haven't found the 168gr around me yet to try.
FWIW, tried the Hornady 168gr ELD Superformance (completely different than what you have) and my groups went immediately to 3 MOA. 
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USA
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Posted: 7/28/2020 5:39:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VSmith6: My guess is it will like the 168s better. The 175s need a faster twister rate, something most .308 700s don’t come with. correct you'll be squared away with the 168 Premiums. |
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Posted: 8/14/2020 2:08:50 PM EDT
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How far will you be shooting? Federal GMM 168 grain ammo is excellent to 800 yards.
If you are going to be shooting past 800 get the Federal175's. My Remington .308's have 1/10 twist barrels or I wouldn't buy them. 1/12 will shoot 175's just fine. It's the 190's and heavier that really need a 1/10. Don't mix your ammo up with different brands and weights if you're taking a class. Buy all 168 or all 175 Federal GMM and work on technique. |
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Posted: 8/14/2020 2:11:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ShOcKeRpb: Rem700 AAC 20" 1-10 here and the 175's shoot sub MOA all day if I do my part. Haven't found the 168gr around me yet to try. FWIW, tried the Hornady 168gr ELD Superformance (completely different than what you have) and my groups went immediately to 3 MOA. I would never shoot Super Performance simply because speed isn't where it's at. "It" being accuracy. A 168 running 2600 fps +/- from a 24" barrel is perfect for downrange performance. |
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Posted: 8/14/2020 2:44:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: I would never shoot Super Performance simply because speed isn't where it's at. "It" being accuracy. A 168 running 2600 fps +/- from a 24" barrel is perfect for downrange performance. But a 168 running at 2750fps and just as accurate is nicer  Accuracy can be fast and slow. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2020 11:06:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Grumpy5]
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Originally Posted By MiamiSniper: I have a Remington 700P 26" in 308, will take my first class this Sunday, I was told to bring Match ammo. today I was able to find: Federal premium 175 matchking bthp Federal premium 168 matchking bthp Hornandy Match 168 bthp the question is, are those good enough? if so which is the better one? Thanks in advance. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/21371/IMG_4042_jpg-1515176.JPG Well the correct answer is “it depends on what twist rate your barrel has” as to which your rifle will like. I can think of several different models of the Remington 700 that have a 26 barrel for the 308 and I know two of them have different twist rates. So with out knowing which sub-model of the 700 you have or what twist rate the barrel is, it’s hard to say which will shoot the best in your gun. All three are good ammo with the ability to shoot good in the right rifle. I think the 175 gr Federal is a copy of the military M118LR which was designed to shoot in the M24 with its 1 in 11.25 twist rate. The Federal 168 gr ammo has been the standard go to match ammo for years but I believe most of the barrels being used for it were a 1 in 12 twist rate. I haven’t used the Hornandy match ammo but I would figure that it is on par with the Federal premium. I would take all three and see which your gun likes better. Good luck with your class. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2020 9:28:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Reorx]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grumpy5: ... I think the 175 gr Federal is a copy of the military M118LR which was designed to shoot in the M24 with its 1 in |
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Posted: 8/16/2020 9:36:01 AM EDT
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And 175s will work fine in a 12 twist rifle.
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Posted: 8/16/2020 2:54:46 PM EDT
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I'll agree with Rob here, but a good way to be sure is to use Berger's Twist Rate Stability calculator. You'll need a few pieces of information (such as the bullet length either from measuring yourself or using JBM Ballistic's bullet length chart, as well as weight and BC), but it's a pretty good guideline. For .308 175s, they're all pretty similar, but in other cases (such as trying to use heavy for caliber .224" in a 1:9 twist), you can walk a fine line if it's stable at higher altitudes/higher temps, but then is less than optimally stabilized at lower altitudes and lower temps. It's a fun tool to use to learn how some external ballistic factors work, if you're not overly familiar with them.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2020 8:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reorx: Thank you for the correction. You are correct |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2020 11:03:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Reorx]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grumpy5: Thank you for the correction. You are correct Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grumpy5: Originally Posted By Reorx: Originally Posted By Grumpy5: ... I think the 175 gr Federal is a copy of the military M118LR which was designed to shoot in the M24 with its 1 in Cheers! |
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USA
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Posted: 8/18/2020 1:53:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: merica-lrs]
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In my experience with my rifles (remy 700), FGMM 168 and 175 gr will shoot very similarly, however if you're shooting out past 600, the 175 will shoot a little flatter and will buck the wind better. You're 1 in 12 twist will most likely stabilize the 175, however the preferred 1 in 11.25 or 1 in 10 is more ideal
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