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Posted: 7/17/2019 6:18:38 AM EDT
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I let a farmer neighbor use some of my land for growing potatoes once, after one harvest he spread a bunch of wood ash all over. He said it was to replenish the nitrates I believe.
He was about 70 and seemed to know what he was talking about and doing. |
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Posted: 7/17/2019 6:55:07 AM EDT
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Wood ash or coal cinders?
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Posted: 7/17/2019 7:35:43 AM EDT
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Wood ash or coal cinders? |
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Posted: 7/17/2019 10:15:40 AM EDT
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I use wood ash in my homemade liquid fertilizer mixtures and in composting.
Its relevant what kind of wood they’re using and whether its burned with chemicals. Some woods are poisonous or otherwise chemically undesirable. I couldn’t say what burning will and will not neutralize. My wood is oak, and rarely I’ll use pine. I collect my ash from my meat smoker. |
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Posted: 7/17/2019 12:23:43 PM EDT
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This is wood ash from a power plant of some kind.
I emailed them to find out what type of wood etc... waiting to hear back |
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Posted: 7/17/2019 11:07:42 PM EDT
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I let a farmer neighbor use some of my land for growing potatoes once, after one harvest he spread a bunch of wood ash all over. He said it was to replenish the nitrates I believe. He was about 70 and seemed to know what he was talking about and doing. If it's not railroad ties and treated lumber, the ash can be useful. |
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Posted: 7/17/2019 11:09:31 PM EDT
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This is wood ash from a power plant of some kind. I emailed them to find out what type of wood etc... waiting to hear back |
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Posted: 7/17/2019 11:12:38 PM EDT
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We added ash from our woodburner, eggshells, and coffee grounds to our vegetable garden soil initially, as the soil was mostly sand. Mulch was grass clippings and leaves. Maybe a bit of 12-12-12-/lime every year.
Everything we plant grows like crazy and the soil is 12" of black dirt that is full of earthworms. |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 12:45:42 AM EDT
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It does hold micronutrients but it will also raise your pH. That's not a bad thing if done in moderation and you're in an area that would normally need lime anyways...
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Posted: 7/19/2019 7:16:50 AM EDT
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Have not heard back from power plant.
My fields are only for food plots, but they are 5-5.6 PH and fine sandy loam. I lime the crap out of them. Guess I will continue with the lime, Need to find some horse poop... |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 12:24:00 PM EDT
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Have not heard back from power plant. Some manures have this problem as well. The cattle or horses may be fed hay treated with herbicides for weeds so that the hay is pure. The herbicides will pass thru the animal and come out in the manure, making the manure toxic to most plants you’d want to grow. If you work that sort of tainted manure into your plots or fields, you’ve basically damned your crops for a few seasons. |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 12:41:04 PM EDT
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Alright, The power plant sent me an analysis of the fly ash. They say the Virginia dept. of ag has approved this for use on fields.
Here are my red flags: All the following are in the Very High category: m3 phosphorous OM- not sure what that is Potassium Sodium Sulfur Manganese Copper Boron Soluble Salts The PH is 10.5 K percent is 26.8 MG is 16.3 Ca is 41.5 Na is 15.3 Anyone know what this all means? |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 1:30:05 PM EDT
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Contact the local extension office and see what they recommend.
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Posted: 7/19/2019 1:51:10 PM EDT
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This is wood ash from a power plant of some kind. I emailed them to find out what type of wood etc... waiting to hear back I didn't want it on me cause I knew what it was. Definitely not in a garden |
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Posted: 7/20/2019 10:07:27 AM EDT
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Alright, The power plant sent me an analysis of the fly ash. They say the Virginia dept. of ag has approved this for use on fields. Here are my red flags: All the following are in the Very High category: m3 phosphorous OM- not sure what that is Potassium Sodium Sulfur Manganese Copper Boron Soluble Salts The PH is 10.5 K percent is 26.8 MG is 16.3 Ca is 41.5 Na is 15.3 Anyone know what this all means? |
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Posted: 7/20/2019 3:09:05 PM EDT
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The report state Wood fly ash.
I think I will continue using Lime and Fertilizer on my fields. |
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Posted: 7/20/2019 9:19:40 PM EDT
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OM- not sure what that is You need to determine your nutrient needs based on what your trying to grow. Different plants will respond to various micro nutrients in very different ways, sometimes not good ways. Another post mentioned contacting your extension service, very good advice. Also, I'm gonna call BS on herbicides transferring thru manure for years, I can't get herbicides to work for weeks when applied directly at labeled rates. |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 7:54:45 AM EDT
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Agree on the find out needs first.
I have 3 soil samples out for testing right now. Yeah the pooped out roundup seems a bit of a stretch |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 12:05:39 PM EDT
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Also, I'm gonna call BS on herbicides transferring thru manure for years, I can't get herbicides to work for weeks when applied directly at labeled rates. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Also, I'm gonna call BS on herbicides transferring thru manure for years, I can't get herbicides to work for weeks when applied directly at labeled rates. 
https://lee.ces.ncsu.edu/2016/03/herbicide-carryover-in-hay-manure-compost-and-grass-clippings/ https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/herbicide-carryover http://www.pesticides.montana.edu/documents/references/Montana%20Herbicide%20Carryover%20Booklet%2011-2011%20LO-RES.pdf "Depending on the herbicide properties, the herbicide residue and breakdown can take months to years to fully decompose, depending on the specific herbicide and its properties.
Picloram, clopyralid, aminopyralid and aminocyclopyrachlor can remain active in hay, grass clippings, piles of manure and compost for an unusually long time.... These herbicides eventually break down through exposure to sunlight, soil microbes, heat and moisture. Depending on the situation, the herbicides can be deactivated in as few as a couple of months, but some field reports indicate that breakdown can take as long as three to four years." |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 12:07:38 PM EDT
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Yeah the pooped out roundup seems a bit of a stretch |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 12:08:56 PM EDT
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Double Post
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Posted: 7/21/2019 2:42:58 PM EDT
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So when you call BS on someone, and it turns out you're the one that's wrong, does that make you the BSer? 
Don't use any of the chems you listed so I'm not familiar, but I'm shocked any herbicide would have that long of a residual. Looked up the chemicals and I do recognize picloram, trade name Crossbow. Don't use that on the farm for obvious reasons. Aminocyclopyrachlor has been banned, https://blog.restek.com/?p=3307 The more you know, right @SwampFrog |
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Posted: 7/21/2019 11:15:54 PM EDT
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Why yes, yes it does
Don't use any of the chems you listed so I'm not familiar, but I'm shocked any herbicide would have that long of a residual. Looked up the chemicals and I do recognize picloram, trade name Crossbow. Don't use that on the farm for obvious reasons. Aminocyclopyrachlor has been banned, https://blog.restek.com/?p=3307 The more you know, right @SwampFrog I do know that over 20 years ago when I was a teenager my family grew hay for local horse farms and that hay was spot treated with herbacides to keep it pure. I do not know what what used, simply that it went into the hay wherever undesirable grasses were appearing and the hay of course went into the horses. It shouldn't have had any affect on the animals, but who knows if it had an effect on the manure. I think the idea is that some of those herbicides don't effect grass but do effect more succulent plants, the kind we'd be wanting to grow in our gardens. |
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Posted: 7/22/2019 1:34:06 AM EDT
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Alright, The power plant sent me an analysis of the fly ash. They say the Virginia dept. of ag has approved this for use on fields. Here are my red flags: All the following are in the Very High category: m3 phosphorous OM- not sure what that is Potassium Sodium Sulfur Manganese Copper Boron Soluble Salts The PH is 10.5 K percent is 26.8 MG is 16.3 Ca is 41.5 Na is 15.3 Anyone know what this all means? First because there's so much of some of the micronutrients that you may run into trouble and then have to amend to take care of that trouble. With some of the micronutrients, it's a little harder. Second....I would be concerned about the origins of this. There are many, many things NOT specified in this analysis, which I would want to know before I put this on my property and/or (especially) on a plot that I garden for my food or for my animals to eat (which I will then either eat or eat what they produce (eggs, milk, etc) There are a LOT of biochar producers that I have no issue with. But all of them are producing fertilizers that go on lawn and landscape. Not on my food. So if it's going into my food, I'd go with a more proven amendment. That's just me and ymmv. |
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Posted: 7/22/2019 1:40:20 AM EDT
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Why yes, yes it does
Don't use any of the chems you listed so I'm not familiar, but I'm shocked any herbicide would have that long of a residual. Looked up the chemicals and I do recognize picloram, trade name Crossbow. Don't use that on the farm for obvious reasons. Aminocyclopyrachlor has been banned, https://blog.restek.com/?p=3307 The more you know, right @SwampFrog And I always look at what we "don't" know and consider that. Of course...that opens many cans of worms not appropriate for this thread, but a lot of the research on herbicides from twenty years ago is now getting amended based on what is getting found now. No, I can't quote research at this point and do I use those? Yes. Many of those herbicides I do use. But I think when we back away and look at the bigger picture (which we all tend to do on a lot of issues like climate change, etc, right?) we are finding out that the short-term studies done to prove a lot of ag chemicals are safe, are simply TOO short-term to yield any kind of useful information about how we will be affected as humans. Not sayin we should not use any of those, also. Just saying that if we can come up with a "simpler form" which usually means more sustainable, choice for what we do, that normally won't backfire quite as badly. With herbicides, and the genetic modification of food plants to resist the herbicides, we've backed ourselves into a bad, BAD, BAD corner. Especially since the weeds are becoming resistant too. Not sure we will get out of it with our world looking the same as it has. Kinda worried about that. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 9:33:56 AM EDT
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Small anecdote on herbicide persistence:
When I was young I got goats to show at the fair. I had nothing for them. Dad (a farmer) found a cracked bulk chemical tank at the local co-op. He got it free, with the idea to rinse it really well cut an opening and use for a livestock hutch. We have no idea what chemical it held bc the label was long gone. The first rinse we strapped it to a trailer, filled with water and drove around for a while. Then drove along the lane back towards the woods and let it run out along the lane. The first few feet of ag field next to the lane was well-covered with mystery chemical. The beans never came up there, neither did any other crop for several years... we've never repeated that mistake again... |
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