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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:21:45 PM EDT

Had a one day recovery from moderate symptoms. I have to say, I was impressed.

It looks like a solid product that can keep you from hospitalization and mostly functioning shortly after taking.

Definitely a good idea for a stash, along with IV bags.

Posted: 2/3/2018 4:51:51 PM EDT

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JKM,

Glad you are feeling better. I was in the pharma business for 38 years with the company that marketed Tamiflu (Oseltamivir). I happened to be around when the drug was launched and involved in the marketing of it until my retirement. One thing I saw firsthand was that no two patients responded in the same way. Some took Tamiflu starting within 24 hours of onset of symtoms and like you, really noticed a rapid improvement and shorter duration of symptoms. Others found it made little difference and seemed to run a full duration of the flu. The original studies showed about a 1.3 day reduction of symptoms.

With that said, if you can afford a prescription, and you see a physician within 24-36 hours of onset, it's worth taking Tamiflu. Also, effective as a prevention in case someone around you has been diagnosed and may of infected you.

As far as keeping a stash, it's getting pretty hard to get a doc to write the drug unless you actually have the flu (unless you have a good friend).

Good luck.

Posted: 2/3/2018 4:53:34 PM EDT

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Shit was magic for me a few years ago.

Posted: 2/3/2018 5:03:52 PM EDT

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For some, the side effects included hallucinations leading to suicide.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/01/15/hallucinations-after-taking-tamiflu-how-much-is-real-versus-not-real/

Posted: 2/3/2018 7:36:21 PM EDT

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Risk vs reward.

Without getting into what-if scenarios, it "could" make a real difference. People are dying all around us in modern day...bad stuff.

Posted: 2/3/2018 7:59:08 PM EDT

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The stuff is like a miracle. 24 hours after symptoms I was a lot better. I was pissed as I had a flu shot and take care of myself

Posted: 2/3/2018 10:28:26 PM EDT

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I read earlier in the week something interesting about Tamiflu. It seems the clinical trial data was not interpreted quite right. When a group of medical academicians studied the raw data and physician reports recently (after a decade of asking for it), they determined there was no definitive evidence that taking Tamiflu reduced the likelihood of hospitalization or death. Their determination on whether it reduced the time to overcome the infection was inconclusive. That being said, if taking it helped you, it's a keeper for you. Unfortunately, for most folks, they won't know whether it's effective or not until they get the flu. Even then, it appears to only be effective when taken within 24 hours of the appearance of symptoms.

Posted: 2/3/2018 10:31:56 PM EDT

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The stuff is like a miracle. 24 hours after symptoms I was a lot better. I was pissed as I had a flu shot and take care of myself

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As I was reading up on Tamiflu, I came across an article that indicated the effectiveness of this year's flu shot was only 37% in the US.

For the Australians, it was 10%, or basically ineffective. They said there was a flu shot that was more effective because it used a 4th strain that was closer to the strain that's kicking everybody's butt this year, but that particular flu shot was much more expensive and not very widely available.

Posted: 2/4/2018 12:41:43 AM EDT

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There's been a lot of research on Tamiflu. Briefly, it is not not a very effective medicine at all. At best, it possibly shortens the duration of flu by about 15 hours and has many side effects. It is generally not recommended for healthy people with the flu. I am glad it appeared to work for those of you that replied, but the data say otherwise.

Now, since this is the survival forum, maybe it's worth having a couple doses in case we see an antigenic shift and a nasty pandemic flu (which we are statistically past due for). I might take it then. Otherwise, I personally wouldn't take Tamiflu.

Posted: 2/4/2018 8:50:54 AM EDT

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The meds did more than shorten the total duration.
I went from being almost overcome with weakness/dizziness to being able to function.
Compared to previous sickness, it was a great improvement.

Posted: 2/4/2018 12:17:21 PM EDT

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The meds did more than shorten the total duration.
I went from being almost overcome with weakness/dizziness to being able to function.
Compared to previous sickness, it was a great improvement.

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how do you know you had the flu and not something else?

Posted: 2/4/2018 12:54:17 PM EDT

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Back about 2006 to 2007, during the Great Bird Flu Pandemic Scare [that never materialized, thankfully]...

I can't begin to imagine how thousands/millions of folks spent how much $$$ purchasing Tamiflu, from overseas pharmacies, that are mentioned here from time to time.

They [OSP's] REALLY CLEANED UP...

Now all that stuff is sitting somewhere -expired.

Posted: 2/4/2018 1:18:59 PM EDT

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Swabbed for strep and flu....positive for flu.

Most here talk about fishmox and meds that have value. Since people are dying from this, it seems pretty intuitive to me.

iirc the exp was 2024. There was stuff on the news months ago suggesting that the potency of a lot of meds was fine well after expiration. Had to do with the gov's emergency medication supplies and periodic testing. Not a sweeping endorsement of expired meds, but something to research on a case by case basis.

Posted: 2/4/2018 6:17:06 PM EDT

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I read earlier in the week something interesting about Tamiflu. It seems the clinical trial data was not interpreted quite right. When a group of medical academicians studied the raw data and physician reports recently (after a decade of asking for it), they determined there was no definitive evidence that taking Tamiflu reduced the likelihood of hospitalization or death. Their determination on whether it reduced the time to overcome the infection was inconclusive. That being said, if taking it helped you, it's a keeper for you. Unfortunately, for most folks, they won't know whether it's effective or not until they get the flu. Even then, it appears to only be effective when taken within 24 hours of the appearance of symptoms.

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I doubt you are going to find many clinical studies of "common" anti-infective agents that concentrate on reduction of hospitalization events or death. They are usually studied for plasma/tissue concentrations and clinical outcomes in terms of "days until cure/improvement". Tamiflu was one of those rare instances where outcomes were measured solely in terms of reduction of symptoms. If I remember correctly the original data, as reflected in the package insert, only stated that symptoms were decreased by X% in X number of patients. If, like the OP, you feel better in a day or two, then you are among the successful and your money was well spent.

Posted: 2/5/2018 2:57:30 PM EDT

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I came down with the flu last Saturday. Called the doc Monday AM. Got tamiflu by noon and was on the mend by Tuesday afternoon.
This is the worst flu I've ever had. The fever and chills felt a lot like Malaria, not quite as severe, but close.
So yes, Tamiflu worked for me. As for keeping a stash - I don't think it will work well. Stuff like that generally don't keep well. What do I know - I'm not medically trained.

Posted: 2/5/2018 3:30:46 PM EDT

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Do they sell Tamiflu for fish?

Rancher

Posted: 2/5/2018 4:04:01 PM EDT

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I've personally had it save my ass twice. First time was 3 days into flu symptoms, swab test came back positive for swine flu. I'd been 103-104 fever for 2 days, within 4 hours of taking the first dose of Tamiflu, my fever was under 100 and I could function again.

Second time was less dramatic but just as effective for me.

Posted: 2/5/2018 7:56:03 PM EDT

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I came down with the flu last Saturday. Called the doc Monday AM. Got tamiflu by noon and was on the mend by Tuesday afternoon.
This is the worst flu I've ever had. The fever and chills felt a lot like Malaria, not quite as severe, but close.
So yes, Tamiflu worked for me. As for keeping a stash - I don't think it will work well. Stuff like that generally don't keep well. What do I know - I'm not medically trained.

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IIRC, Tamiflu keeps VERY well..

If stored properly, even better...

Posted: 2/6/2018 6:00:30 AM EDT

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Had to use it.

my dad almost died.

Posted: 2/7/2018 10:01:01 PM EDT

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Our 9 month old baby got the flu Sunday night, diagnosed Monday. Was running a 103-104 fever until yesterday when he started on Tamiflu. Fever around 99-100 today, major improvement. I'm convinced.

Posted: 2/8/2018 10:04:52 AM EDT

[#20]

Like Supercrew, I too spent years in the pharma business. It's laughable to read the comments here. Nothing is hated more than 'big pharma', and yet, nothing is more depended on to keep folks alive. :)

Posted: 2/8/2018 10:36:00 PM EDT

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Like Supercrew, I too spent years in the pharma business. It's laughable to read the comments here. Nothing is hated more than 'big pharma', and yet, nothing is more depended on to keep folks alive. :)

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That may have been true decades ago. Now, not so much. Problem is, somewhere along the line so-called "big pharma" stopped looking to find cures and started developing "treatments" that would generate a perpetual revenue stream. That, and Birch-Buyh gave them the results of taxpayer-funded research with nothing in return. We've also seen a few of the so-called "big pharma" firms get caught falsifying and/or cherry picking clinical trial data and/or ignoring reported side effects. Of course nowadays, commercials on the boob-tube spend 10 seconds giving you the drug name and the rest of the minute listing side effects ranging from hayfever to hemorrhoids, liver failure, and spontaneous human combustion. Same thing with drug ads in print.

Bottom line is there are many times far more effective treatments which are not big-pharma produced.

Posted: 2/8/2018 11:55:24 PM EDT

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As I was reading up on Tamiflu, I came across an article that indicated the effectiveness of this year's flu shot was only 37% in the US.

For the Australians, it was 10%, or basically ineffective. They said there was a flu shot that was more effective because it used a 4th strain that was closer to the strain that's kicking everybody's butt this year, but that particular flu shot was much more expensive and not very widely available.

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Anecdotal, my wife and I are both physicians. Seems those getting hospitalized with Flu A this year did not get the vaccine.

Based on the last month, in our area. YMMV.

Posted: 2/10/2018 12:24:54 AM EDT

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Anecdotal, my wife and I are both physicians. Seems those getting hospitalized with Flu A this year did not get the vaccine.

Based on the last month, in our area. YMMV.

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That’s what my ER buddies are saying.

I got my shot. Got the flu. Took the tamiflu and was better in a day

Posted: 2/10/2018 1:53:37 AM EDT

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Neuraminidase Inhibitor Resistance Testing Results on Samples Collected Since October 1, 2017

The majority of recently circulating influenza viruses are susceptible to the neuraminidase inhibitor antiviral medications, oseltamivir (available as a generic version or under the trade name Tamiflu®), zanamivir(trade name Relenza®), and peramivir(trade name Rapivab®); however, rare sporadic instances of oseltamivir-resistant and peramivir-resistant influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses and oseltamivir-resistant influenza A(H3N2) viruses have been detected worldwide. Antiviral treatment as early as possible is recommended for patients with confirmed or suspected influenza who have severe, complicated, or progressive illness; who require hospitalization; or who are at high risk for serious influenza-related complications. Additional information on recommendations for treatment and chemoprophylaxis of influenza virus infection with antiviral agents is available at http://www.cdc.gov/flu/antivirals/index.htm.

Posted: 2/10/2018 2:08:43 AM EDT

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Now, I rarely get sick at all, but I've had the flu once or twice in my life... never had to go to the hospital though.

What's the deal... are people going to the hospital with flu symptoms like the first time the feel bad or after days of getting their ass kicked?
Only times I ever remember getting the flu it passed in a day or two. But at no point did I feel like a hospital visit was in order.

Posted: 2/11/2018 11:30:11 PM EDT

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Like Supercrew, I too spent years in the pharma business. It's laughable to read the comments here. Nothing is hated more than 'big pharma', and yet, nothing is more depended on to keep folks alive. :)

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Bullshit. You should try working for a major oil company and travel to the west coast or the Northeast. Everybody drinks the "Hate the oil companies" koolaid.

Posted: 2/12/2018 3:44:08 AM EDT

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Bullshit. You should try working for a major oil company and travel to the west coast or the Northeast. Everybody drinks the "Hate the oil companies" koolaid.

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In Good Arfcom fashion...

Hate Both!

Posted: 2/19/2018 12:02:01 AM EDT

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It did not work for me. I had to stop taking it because it made me feel worse.

Posted: 2/20/2018 12:58:06 PM EDT

[#29]

It ork d for our family last week with Flu B.

Seeing people local in West TN dying from flu. Tamiflu liquid and 30mg doses for kids are out of stock at Walgreens, Fred’s etc.

Posted: 2/20/2018 7:12:03 PM EDT

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It ork d for our family last week with Flu B.

Seeing people local in West TN dying from flu. Tamiflu liquid and 30mg doses for kids are out of stock at Walgreens, Fred’s etc.

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Cut the tabs?

Posted: 2/20/2018 7:40:04 PM EDT

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It ork d for our family last week with Flu B.

Seeing people local in West TN dying from flu. Tamiflu liquid and 30mg doses for kids are out of stock at Walgreens, Fred’s etc.

Cut the tabs?

Capsules.

Posted: 3/4/2018 6:15:05 PM EDT

[#32]

Evidence for Tamiflu isn't great, but it's largely all we have, so we throw it at people, especially the immunocompromised, elderly, and infants.

Better to have a broad spectrum agent for when you get a secondary bacterial infection than Tamiflu, IMO.

Posted: 3/4/2018 6:49:01 PM EDT

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Im glad it worked for you all. Tamiflu is the only drug I've taken where I've experienced side effects. I went from feeling awful to feeling like I was going to die. It happened quickly.Nasea, throwing up, and massive diarrhea.I was dehydrated in no time at all. I stopped taking the medicine and the side effects went away as soon as the drug passed through my system. It took alot longer for me to get back to 100% as well. But I cant say that was because of the Tamiflu.

Now I'm not saying don't take it. I'm just relaying my experience with it.

Posted: 3/9/2018 2:56:27 AM EDT

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Doc tried to give that to our Son. Said nope and went home.

Posted: 3/9/2018 6:46:41 AM EDT

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If you trust all day chemist they have Oseltamivir for about 1/6 the cost of a prescription here.

Posted: 3/12/2018 10:12:42 PM EDT

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The wife had the flu last year. Literally went from bed ridden, to 95% normal within 24 hours of taking Tamiflu. I've heard mixed things, but I was impressed.

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