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View Quote No rabies yet. A friend of mine suggested trapping them and getting them vaccinated. That would be very difficult. Plus the vaccine requires a couple doses and then every 1 to 3 years after that. I doubt they would stick around if they got trapped once. If there was an oral vaccine in pill form I could stick that into the hotdog pieces and get them taken care of no problem. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: No rabies yet. A friend of mine suggested trapping them and getting them vaccinated. That would be very difficult. Plus the vaccine requires a couple doses and then every 1 to 3 years after that. I doubt they would stick around if they got trapped once. If there was an oral vaccine in pill form I could stick that into the hotdog pieces and get them taken care of no problem. View Quote Will vets vaccinate fox? A lot of wild animals they won't, because the thinking (at least two years ago) was that vaccinations defeat natural immunity that they want in a population. Of course, they don't care if individuals die...Good of the many thing. We care if individuals die or get sick. None of what I have experienced was with fox though. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Will vets vaccinate fox? A lot of wild animals they won't, because the thinking (at least two years ago) was that vaccinations defeat natural immunity that they want in a population. Of course, they don't care if individuals die...Good of the many thing. We care if individuals die or get sick. None of what I have experienced was with fox though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Originally Posted By SWIRE: No rabies yet. A friend of mine suggested trapping them and getting them vaccinated. That would be very difficult. Plus the vaccine requires a couple doses and then every 1 to 3 years after that. I doubt they would stick around if they got trapped once. If there was an oral vaccine in pill form I could stick that into the hotdog pieces and get them taken care of no problem. Will vets vaccinate fox? A lot of wild animals they won't, because the thinking (at least two years ago) was that vaccinations defeat natural immunity that they want in a population. Of course, they don't care if individuals die...Good of the many thing. We care if individuals die or get sick. None of what I have experienced was with fox though. I'm not sure. The friend that recommended it is a bit unorthidox about things. However I just found this PubMed article that says they have tested bait delivery for oral rabies vaccines for gray foxes! It doesn't say much but apparently oral vaccines exist. Now to figure out if they are available or just in a testing phase. Bait delivery for oral rabies vaccine to gray foxes https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11085437/ |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Just got back from hanging out with the foxes tonight. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/fox_family_2022_8_28_JPG-2506903.jpg View Quote Such awesome photos! |
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Nice, we had a couple foxes a few years ago that hung out in my hay barn. Noticed some chicken bone and then they were gone neighbor must’ve took them out.
You can get rabies vaccination from tractor supply I think, if not you can get them online. The vax is subq so easy to administer through a live trap...a theory that isn’t tested is that the vaccine could be lifelong. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: I have other project updates to post but just haven't done it yet. But the foxes and other animals are a highlight of the day as one never knows what to expect. Here is something that happened earlier this year. I went to get some cat food for the foxes and noticed something odd about the bag. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/possum_catfood1_JPG-2510837.jpg I knew what it was and had the camera ready. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/possum_catfood2_JPG-2510838.jpg View Quote Aww, an adolescent! |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Aww, an adolescent! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Originally Posted By SWIRE: I have other project updates to post but just haven't done it yet. But the foxes and other animals are a highlight of the day as one never knows what to expect. Here is something that happened earlier this year. I went to get some cat food for the foxes and noticed something odd about the bag. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/possum_catfood1_JPG-2510837.jpg I knew what it was and had the camera ready. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/possum_catfood2_JPG-2510838.jpg Aww, an adolescent! I've encountered him several times, once was in a live trap. It also explains why all my mouse traps were tripped and moved around the house, he was eating the peanut butter. Now I just put some food on the ground for him so he doesn't tear my bags open. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Early July, during a 2 week dry period, I noticed a nasty smell coming from the creek. As I got closer it smelled like a porta-potty, there was a gray and brown film on it, and the fish were either dead or gasping for air. Previously the creek would smell like fabric softener and occasionally get a mild funk to it. I figured a house had their washing machine dumping to a line outside that made its way to the creek. However, this time it was an obvious human waste smell. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak2_JPG-2510856.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak3_JPG-2510855.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak4_JPG-2510854.jpg I followed the creek up and found this. A storm drain line dumping obvious gray water into the creek. I contacted the city water department about it and at first the clerk at the window tried to blow me off about their sewer lines possibly leaking. I had anticipated a lack of concern and took video and pictures with me. The 65 year old office clerk said she would look into it and didn't even ask to see the pictures. There were other customers in the lobby waiting to speak to someone so I decided escalate things a bit by saying loud enough for everyone to hear "I believe your sewer line is leaking into the spring, killing the fish, and I have pictures showing this.". She decided to call an actual person that works on the lines and told them about the problem. At that point they were interested in the pictures. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak_JPG-2510857.jpg The guy that came out to investigate was very familiar with that area and said it is full of problems, has collapsed lines, and the city doesn't want to spend the money to fix things properly. Once he came out and saw what was flowing into the creek it was all hands on deck to figure out the source. It took them a couple days to find and fix the problem as it turned out to be a sewer line on a side road going up the hill had a leak in it and that was flowing into the storm sewer. I checked culvert the other day and it is now 100% dry. The weather is dry again and creek very low but no sewer smell or brown film on the water. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak5_JPG-2510866.jpg View Quote Good on you for making noise the right way. If it was a citizen pumping black water into a creek, there would be hell to pay. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Early July, during a 2 week dry period, I noticed a nasty smell coming from the creek. As I got closer it smelled like a porta-potty, there was a gray and brown film on it, and the fish were either dead or gasping for air. Previously the creek would smell like fabric softener and occasionally get a mild funk to it. I figured a house had their washing machine dumping to a line outside that made its way to the creek. However, this time it was an obvious human waste smell. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak2_JPG-2510856.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak3_JPG-2510855.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak4_JPG-2510854.jpg I followed the creek up and found this. A storm drain line dumping obvious gray water into the creek. I contacted the city water department about it and at first the clerk at the window tried to blow me off about their sewer lines possibly leaking. I had anticipated a lack of concern and took video and pictures with me. The 65 year old office clerk said she would look into it and didn't even ask to see the pictures. There were other customers in the lobby waiting to speak to someone so I decided escalate things a bit by saying loud enough for everyone to hear "I believe your sewer line is leaking into the spring, killing the fish, and I have pictures showing this.". She decided to call an actual person that works on the lines and told them about the problem. At that point they were interested in the pictures. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak_JPG-2510857.jpg The guy that came out to investigate was very familiar with that area and said it is full of problems, has collapsed lines, and the city doesn't want to spend the money to fix things properly. Once he came out and saw what was flowing into the creek it was all hands on deck to figure out the source. It took them a couple days to find and fix the problem as it turned out to be a sewer line on a side road going up the hill had a leak in it and that was flowing into the storm sewer. I checked culvert the other day and it is now 100% dry. The weather is dry again and creek very low but no sewer smell or brown film on the water. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak5_JPG-2510866.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Good on you for making noise the right way. If it was a citizen pumping black water into a creek, there would be hell to pay. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Early July, during a 2 week dry period, I noticed a nasty smell coming from the creek. As I got closer it smelled like a porta-potty, there was a gray and brown film on it, and the fish were either dead or gasping for air. Previously the creek would smell like fabric softener and occasionally get a mild funk to it. I figured a house had their washing machine dumping to a line outside that made its way to the creek. However, this time it was an obvious human waste smell. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak2_JPG-2510856.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak3_JPG-2510855.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak4_JPG-2510854.jpg I followed the creek up and found this. A storm drain line dumping obvious gray water into the creek. I contacted the city water department about it and at first the clerk at the window tried to blow me off about their sewer lines possibly leaking. I had anticipated a lack of concern and took video and pictures with me. The 65 year old office clerk said she would look into it and didn't even ask to see the pictures. There were other customers in the lobby waiting to speak to someone so I decided escalate things a bit by saying loud enough for everyone to hear "I believe your sewer line is leaking into the spring, killing the fish, and I have pictures showing this.". She decided to call an actual person that works on the lines and told them about the problem. At that point they were interested in the pictures. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak_JPG-2510857.jpg The guy that came out to investigate was very familiar with that area and said it is full of problems, has collapsed lines, and the city doesn't want to spend the money to fix things properly. Once he came out and saw what was flowing into the creek it was all hands on deck to figure out the source. It took them a couple days to find and fix the problem as it turned out to be a sewer line on a side road going up the hill had a leak in it and that was flowing into the storm sewer. I checked culvert the other day and it is now 100% dry. The weather is dry again and creek very low but no sewer smell or brown film on the water. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sewer_leak5_JPG-2510866.jpg Good on you for making noise the right way. If it was a citizen pumping black water into a creek, there would be hell to pay. I was pissed as the urine smell was noticeable 100ft away from the creek. The city got lucky it was after hours and the beginning of a holiday weekend. It gave me time to calm down and collect my thoughts. There are 4 houses that back up to the creek and the creek is maybe 2 feet lower than their back yards. All sorts of random garbage ends up in the creek, not sure if it is any of the houses throwing stuff in or if it is people that pull up to an area with no houses and throw stuff in. Having the small waterfall and the bridge will cause a lot of the trash to get stuck and I have to clear it out. I'm not an environmentalist by any stretch of the imagination but people intentionally creating a mess with their waste does aggravate me. Growing up on a farm I was raised to respect the land and nature because that is what provides for us. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: I was pissed as the urine smell was noticeable 100ft away from the creek. The city got lucky it was after hours and the beginning of a holiday weekend. It gave me time to calm down and collect my thoughts. There are 4 houses that back up to the creek and the creek is maybe 2 feet lower than their back yards. All sorts of random garbage ends up in the creek, not sure if it is any of the houses throwing stuff in or if it is people that pull up to an area with no houses and throw stuff in. Having the small waterfall and the bridge will cause a lot of the trash to get stuck and I have to clear it out. I'm not an environmentalist by any stretch of the imagination but people intentionally creating a mess with their waste does aggravate me. Growing up on a farm I was raised to respect the land and nature because that is what provides for us. View Quote That Right There. Caretakers of the garden that was planted to provide for us. |
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Here is the response from the rabies management coordinator at the USDA. I've also been in contact with a wild rehabilitator but she has not be able to get any answers from the state.
------------ Thank you for your interest in oral rabies vaccination (ORV) and your inquiry regarding availability of oral rabies vaccine (ORV) baits. Unfortunately at this time, ORV baits are not available for purchase or use by the public. USDA Wildlife Services does not have the regulatory authority to allow the public to purchase or distribute baits for the currently licensed RABORAL V-RG product. The USDA, APHIS, Center for Veterinary Biologics is the agency with regulatory responsibility for animal vaccines. The regulatory license for use of the current oral rabies vaccine is for coordinated campaigns conducted by county, state, or federal governments targeting raccoons, coyotes and gray foxes. The vaccine contains no genetic material capable of causing rabies; however, there are other safety concerns due to a slight risk of non-rabies infection from direct handling of the baits without latex gloves or the proper protection. ORV strategies are designed for treatment over large landscapes targeting free-ranging populations to prevent the spread of rabies and not, at this time, to try to vaccinate a few specific animals. As you may be aware, WS has been working cooperatively with others agencies in 16 eastern states to use ORV in strategic areas to stop the westward spread of raccoon rabies and in Texas targeting rabies in coyotes and foxes. The vaccine-baits have proven safe in more than 60 species. The ORV baits are intended for consumption by raccoons, coyotes and gray fox. However, the most effective actions that you can take to protect your family, pets and domestic livestock from rabies is to vaccinate your domestic animals and to appreciate wildlife from a healthy distance. If you observe a sick or strange-acting wild animal, it is best to contact local authorities for assistance. Thank you again for your interest in rabies, rabies management and our program. You can find more information at: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/wildlifedamage/programs/nrmp |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Here is the response from the rabies management coordinator at the USDA. I've also been in contact with a wild rehabilitator but she has not be able to get any answers from the state. ------------ Thank you for your interest in oral rabies vaccination (ORV) and your inquiry regarding availability of oral rabies vaccine (ORV) baits. Unfortunately at this time, ORV baits are not available for purchase or use by the public. USDA Wildlife Services does not have the regulatory authority to allow the public to purchase or distribute baits for the currently licensed RABORAL V-RG product. The USDA, APHIS, Center for Veterinary Biologics is the agency with regulatory responsibility for animal vaccines. The regulatory license for use of the current oral rabies vaccine is for coordinated campaigns conducted by county, state, or federal governments targeting raccoons, coyotes and gray foxes. The vaccine contains no genetic material capable of causing rabies; however, there are other safety concerns due to a slight risk of non-rabies infection from direct handling of the baits without latex gloves or the proper protection. ORV strategies are designed for treatment over large landscapes targeting free-ranging populations to prevent the spread of rabies and not, at this time, to try to vaccinate a few specific animals. As you may be aware, WS has been working cooperatively with others agencies in 16 eastern states to use ORV in strategic areas to stop the westward spread of raccoon rabies and in Texas targeting rabies in coyotes and foxes. The vaccine-baits have proven safe in more than 60 species. The ORV baits are intended for consumption by raccoons, coyotes and gray fox. However, the most effective actions that you can take to protect your family, pets and domestic livestock from rabies is to vaccinate your domestic animals and to appreciate wildlife from a healthy distance. If you observe a sick or strange-acting wild animal, it is best to contact local authorities for assistance. Thank you again for your interest in rabies, rabies management and our program. You can find more information at: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/wildlifedamage/programs/nrmp View Quote Was afraid of that. Maybe could find a vet in the program and tell him you have a population that frequents your property and could he get you some baits. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Yeah, I need to find someone in the state that has a relationship with them. It says county level but I'm not sure what agency at the county level would work directly with them on that. I do live in a county that is flagged as having a high level rabies in skunks. I also have pictures of skunks in my back yard next to fox. I think I can make a pretty good case, I just need to figure out who to talk to. Picture of all 7 from last night. I just brought out a single portable light source, not my pair of photography lights, which is why the picture has long shadows. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/foxes_22_9_7_JPG-2518885.jpg View Quote If you have a good relationship with the county extension agent, he/she might know the network well enough to suggest someone you could reach out to... This is a six degrees of separation thing, I think. Somebody is going to have to know somebody. ETA: Just don't tell them you feed the foxes. |
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Interesting behavior from the female fox and I'm not sure what to make of it. There has always been a runt of the litter that was more skittish than the others but hung around the shed with the mother. She has always taken it food. Even in the yard she will pick up a bite and take it to various kits and seems to distribute pretty fairly between them. Lately she has been refusing to give the runt any food and then started attacking it and chasing it away. Several of the attacks were pretty viscous with it clamping down on the runts neck and shaking it. The run is still about 3/4 grown, so it isn't tiny or helpless just smaller than the others. At first I thought she stopped taking food to all the kits, sort of weaning them off any help since the nights are getting cooler. However, tonight she took food to several kits who ran off with it. I gave her another piece and the runt tried to get it. She moved away from the runt, dropped the food at a kit that already had food, and then attacked the runt viscously again. It is very clear she was intentionally avoiding it when she had food and the run is the only one that she has attacked. A couple thoughts. The runt could be female and she is trying to push it away from her space or she could be giving it less food so that it learns to go out and hunt more since it has been more dependent on her. The last theory is she knows it is smaller/weaker than the others and doesn't want it around because she knows it will struggle to make it. So she is feeding the strong ones to help them stock up for the winter. Any ideas on what is going on? They all are in good health now. Runt is usually in the front far right in my pictures. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: @Kitties-with-Sigs Interesting behavior from the female fox and I'm not sure what to make of it. There has always been a runt of the litter that was more skittish than the others but hung around the shed with the mother. She has always taken it food. Even in the yard she will pick up a bite and take it to various kits and seems to distribute pretty fairly between them. Lately she has been refusing to give the runt any food and then started attacking it and chasing it away. Several of the attacks were pretty viscous with it clamping down on the runts neck and shaking it. The run is still about 3/4 grown, so it isn't tiny or helpless just smaller than the others. At first I thought she stopped taking food to all the kits, sort of weaning them off any help since the nights are getting cooler. However, tonight she took food to several kits who ran off with it. I gave her another piece and the runt tried to get it. She moved away from the runt, dropped the food at a kit that already had food, and then attacked the runt viscously again. It is very clear she was intentionally avoiding it when she had food and the run is the only one that she has attacked. A couple thoughts. The runt could be female and she is trying to push it away from her space or she could be giving it less food so that it learns to go out and hunt more since it has been more dependent on her. The last theory is she knows it is smaller/weaker than the others and doesn't want it around because she knows it will struggle to make it. So she is feeding the strong ones to help them stock up for the winter. Any ideas on what is going on? They all are in good health now. Runt is usually in the front far right in my pictures. View Quote I think your theories are as good as any I could come up with. Is there a way you could feed the runt separately? Like...throw enough food to the others that they are distracted, and throw some over near the runt so he can get it? This is the part of the animal kingdom that is hard. As I've grown older, I struggle with the fallen world. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Is there a way you could feed the runt separately? Like...throw enough food to the others that they are distracted, and throw some over near the runt so he can get it? View Quote That is what I've been doing. I have to throw it in an area the mother and others run for it but the runt knows it won't get it and hangs back. Then quickly throw a larger item to the runt. I'm still not sure if that is a good or bad approach. If the runt needs to be more aggressive and improve its hunting abilities then by me giving it food it won't need to try as hard. I don't always get out there to throw food out, especially if it rains and in the coldest days of winter. I would hate to think I'm helping but I'm actually setting it up for failure. |
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How far have you gotten on the house? This is a very cool project! I wish you success! Thank you for sharing OP.
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Originally Posted By RABIDFOX50: How far have you gotten on the house? This is a very cool project! I wish you success! Thank you for sharing OP. View Quote I haven't done much with the house other than looking into the various problems and trying to determine the root causes. Every time I work on one problem I end up finding three more and then I can't finish the first problem until I fix the others. Water and fire are the biggest threats to any house and this house needs some major work to reduce those threats. I need to hire an architect to design a new roof system for at least half the house. The electrical wiring contractor cut corners every place the owner or an inspector wouldn't really look. On top of that squirrels got inside and chewed random wires all over the house. Running some new wires might sound simple; however, the walls aren't just 2x4 with drywall, they are 2x6 with plywood sheeting and then drywall. Wires inside those walls were joined without junction boxes and have also been chewed by rodents. To fix the electrical I pretty much have to gut the house which involves tearing out sheets of plywood. The roof, part of which I replaced the sheeting and patched just 5 years ago and continued to get water into it and leak to the point the sheeting is bad again. There is simply too much water flowing over a low slope EPDM room that typically has a 10 year life under good conditions. The water needs to be redirected somewhere else, the roof pitch changed, and a different material needs to be used. Otherwise, in 10 more years I will be in the exact same situation of rotten sheeting. Plumbing I did run a new waterline from the street to the house using Pex A. I have that running through part of the house but haven't finished that install. I have since learned that rodents will chew through that as well. I posted pictures of that dirt crawlspace. The water line has been in there about a year so I need to get back under there and check on it. I've been focusing on the outdoor projects mainly because I can start them and leave them as needed. If I tear open the roof I have to get it covered back up or I will have even bigger problems. Working on it in the evenings means stuff like the roof is really a no-go unless I know there is a long period of no rain. One big outside project remaining that I want to get done before I start on the inside is moving the electrical meter. Currently is tucked into an area on the side of the house. I would like to move that to a pedestal mount by the pole. Then add another breaker box in the middle of the house so that I could rewire half the house using runs that are 1/3 of the length that they currently are. As I mentioned random wires are chewed up, so I want to run new wires that I know are wired correctly, properly grounded, and eliminate anything that I can't see that could possibly have been chewed. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: @Kitties-with-Sigs update on the fox behavior. New behavior from the mother that has me thinking the 5th kit that showed up during the summer is not one of hers but one from another fox. She must have just been tolerating it while it was warm and food was plentiful. Now that it is turning fall and food is becoming more scare she is chasing it off so her kits get more. This past week the runt did not show up with the rest of them. Two nights ago the mother moved to the terrace wall and then tore into something that I couldn't see. I didn't see anything run away and her kits were still on the upper terrace. It must have been the runt that she attacked and wouldn't even allow to come up to the upper terrace. Last night the mother barely ate anything and instead switched into bouncer mode and sat the terrace wall looking out for the runt. That is the same spot that she tore into something the night before. I did manage to see all 7 foxes last night. Two were on the lower terrace and 5 were on the upper. The male keeps his distance so I knew the remaining one on the lower terrace was the runt. The mom would not leave her post which you can see in the picture below. I would distract the kits up top with some food and then throw larger quantities down to the runt. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/fox_watching_JPG-2545551.jpg View Quote I bet you are exactly right about it. Poor little thing. Natural behavior though. |
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The male fox typically stays on they lower terrace about halfway between where they eat and the bridge. From what I can tell he is keeping their route back home secure. The last couple nights something had caught his attention and he had started barking. The mom takes off running towards him and the others scatter. It's very interesting just observing their behavior.
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Love the foxes and too bad USDA APHIS was no help. Have you made any progress on the house?
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: The male fox typically stays on they lower terrace about halfway between where they eat and the bridge. From what I can tell he is keeping their route back home secure. The last couple nights something had caught his attention and he had started barking. The mom takes off running towards him and the others scatter. It's very interesting just observing their behavior. View Quote Yes. They have a damn good little A-team going, don't they? Strategy we could all learn from. Does Dad come and eat at some point? How do they ensure everyone has food? |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: There is a new critter that showed up. He has no fear and walked right up to me. That is a bit concerning but so far no aggression. Perhaps he has been watching me feed the foxes and figures I'm safe. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/IMG_20220930_194945160_3-2546953.jpg View Quote Maybe was somebody's pet, which is a very, very bad thing. But honestly raccoons have little fear anyway. Still...that's pretty darn brave. Sounds like he has had a lot of human interaction. It's bad for the animals, if we are honest. But if they live in a city, what are you gonna do? Not like they are going to live in the mountains this winter. ETA: I have no idea whether that's pet food in front of the cute raccoon. We feed that to possums, and whatever else shows up. BUT.....we also know that cat food isn't great for possums or any of the rest of them as a full-time diet. We use it to supplement. But cooked eggs (or raw eggs, if you don't have chickens) or other raw meat is the best bet. Or fruit for possums. They love grapes and bananas. (Coons do too, but less so.) Even the hot dogs you provide. There is something about the cat food that doesn't provide the right minerals for the wild animals. Their bone mineral density (I'm not sure I'm saying that right) can suffer from TOO MUCH cat food. But a little is okay. Especially if it's winter and they are hungry. Food is better than no food, right? We do the best we can. I try to use common sense. Cat Food or Starve? Yeah...cat food. |
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Originally Posted By jake-cutter: Love the foxes and too bad USDA APHIS was no help. Have you made any progress on the house? View Quote I haven't really worked inside the house over the last year. That last major thing I did was the replacing the water line which which was about a year ago. There is very little that can be worked on that doesn't require a significant amount of demolition to gain the proper access needed. No point in patching and painting a wall when I will need to tear part of it out to get to the electrical and plumbing. I need to come up with an overall plan for the house, which includes replacing almost all the electrical and plumbing inside of it. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Does Dad come and eat at some point? How do they ensure everyone has food? View Quote Only occasionally will he come up to eat. He pretty much lives off the land like a regular fox would but if I throw a hotdog his way he will take it. The mom will take bites of food from me and that it to the various kits and seems to try to make it pretty equal. Whoever is more aggressive tends to get it but they also know not to be that aggressive around her. Otherwise I just try to throw the hotdog pieces out to each one and try to split it up. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: ETA: I have no idea whether that's pet food in front of the cute raccoon. We feed that to possums, and whatever else shows up. BUT.....we also know that cat food isn't great for possums or any of the rest of them as a full-time diet. We use it to supplement. But cooked eggs (or raw eggs, if you don't have chickens) or other raw meat is the best bet. Or fruit for possums. They love grapes and bananas. (Coons do too, but less so.) Even the hot dogs you provide. There is something about the cat food that doesn't provide the right minerals for the wild animals. Their bone mineral density (I'm not sure I'm saying that right) can suffer from TOO MUCH cat food. But a little is okay. Especially if it's winter and they are hungry. Food is better than no food, right? View Quote It is cat food, Meow Mix specifically. It is the cheapest cat food that the mother fox would steadily eat. She preferred it over everything else so that is what they get. I still take fresh meat, eggs, and other food scraps including berries over. The mother fox does not blackberries or strawberries but she will eat grapes all day long. Judging from the size and health of her littler cat food and hot dogs are super foods for gray foxes. I wish I could provide better nutrition for them but as it is the cat food and hotdogs are expensive enough. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: It is cat food, Meow Mix specifically. It is the cheapest cat food that the mother fox would steadily eat. She preferred it over everything else so that is what they get. I still take fresh meat, eggs, and other food scraps including berries over. The mother fox does not blackberries or strawberries but she will eat grapes all day long. Judging from the size and health of her littler cat food and hot dogs are super foods for gray foxes. I wish I could provide better nutrition for them but as it is the cat food and hotdogs are expensive enough. View Quote Yes. We buy actual cat chow for way too many cats, and the outdoor cats get cheaper cat food because the coons and possums eat a lot of it. You can only feed so many mouths, good intentions or not. |
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Pretty cool stuff. Is that your bridge over the creek? Haven’t checked on this thread but was talking to my wife about another member and she asked about how the fox guy was doing…so we looked you up.
She misses the couple of foxes we had living in the my hay barn. We didnt feed them but they frequented her little garden. As soon as we seen chicken bones around we figured the neighbor took them out. |
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Originally Posted By boolzi: Pretty cool stuff. Is that your bridge over the creek? Haven’t checked on this thread but was talking to my wife about another member and she asked about how the fox guy was doing…so we looked you up. She misses the couple of foxes we had living in the my hay barn. We didnt feed them but they frequented her little garden. As soon as we seen chicken bones around we figured the neighbor took them out. View Quote That is the only trouble. They are hell on chickens. I love fox. I love seeing them and think they are beautiful. I just try to make my coop Fort Knox, so I don't have to take out the things that like to eat chicken. |
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With the foxes I was seeing 3-4 a night. The mother, her two kits, and the third kit that showed up. It looks like the mother has successfully chased off the third kit as I have not seen it over a week. Now it is just the mother and the 2 kits that she had in the shed when they were younger. From the size and behavior it looks like one male and one female. The others are around, as I will hear the male barking at something everyone once in awhile. Also the mother will grab some food and head back to where the area that she comes from.
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: I have a creek project that has been ongoing for awhile. The weather has been dry, really dry, and the creek is lowest I've seen it and it has stayed that way for months. That has resulted in me going way over board with part of the project. I'm getting close to wrapping up phase one of it and will provide an update after that. This part of the creek is the largest pool of water that I have. The water level is usually two the base of the large sycamore tree. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/creek1-2587156.jpg The creek is so still that this is not a picture of a flat dry creek bottom, it is the same area with the same water as above just covered in leaves due to zero movement of the water. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/creek2-2587157.jpg View Quote Interesting that there is no movement of the water. Even with the water level low, seems like it should flow a little. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Interesting that there is no movement of the water. Even with the water level low, seems like it should flow a little. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Originally Posted By SWIRE: I have a creek project that has been ongoing for awhile. The weather has been dry, really dry, and the creek is lowest I've seen it and it has stayed that way for months. That has resulted in me going way over board with part of the project. I'm getting close to wrapping up phase one of it and will provide an update after that. This part of the creek is the largest pool of water that I have. The water level is usually two the base of the large sycamore tree. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/creek1-2587156.jpg The creek is so still that this is not a picture of a flat dry creek bottom, it is the same area with the same water as above just covered in leaves due to zero movement of the water. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/creek2-2587157.jpg Interesting that there is no movement of the water. Even with the water level low, seems like it should flow a little. That part of the creek is at least 30 feet wide. I can tell you from the other part of the project that I'm working on that the entire water flow in the creek right now can be restricted to a 12 inch wide channel and is less than 2 inches deep. This is all the water flowing in the creek right now. Yes that little shovel wide stream is all that is feeding this big pool and the rest of the creek right now. One creek project the other weekend involved renting the excavator again to dig out the creek south of the bridge. |
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I thought y'all had had more rain than we have. We are still so very dry. We've had some the past two weeks, but not nearly enough.
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