https://ipvm.com/reports/hytera-ordered-to-stop-selling-two-way-radio-technology-worldwide

Daaaaamn! What a disaster for them and their customers. I always liked their product line and their price point.

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How did Hytera get hit for essential stealing a open standard DMR technology? I read they hired ex-moto employees, but people need to make their living when they separate from a company and work in their field.

How does the US Court System get to ban them from anything WORLDWIDE?

They can ban them from sale in the US.  Other than that, WTF?

Yeah, all Chinese company's ALL steal technology. That's what they do, that's who they are.

It seems some of their employees were doing naughty things, perhaps because they were not smart enough to do it all from scratch. From a Moto press release:

Hytera swears they didn't know this was all going on

It may have to do with where their bank is located.

Wonder when we'll see the announcement for the hot new, and totally unrelated, 2-way communication company, Tyhera!

I have first hand experience at this. Every company in china that I worked with stole the technology we were selling there. Too bad that everything that had a plc contained code that shut them down after a certain number of cycles if we weren't back there to maintain them. They just copied the code, and it happened to all their pirate equipment as well.

Motorola is a monopoly that should be broken up.

Also; lol at all the threads about China stealing technology.

This of course begins, and ends, with the companies thinking they can save pennies having their components made in China……. And then cry like babies when the companies keep cranking out the tech once the contract is over.

Even happened to Rolex……. Of course they only quietly made a fuss, because they would have to admit they were having watch cases made in China on $10,000 watches.

A Chinese company stealing intellectual property???

It's not a monopoly, but certainly remains the dominant player. Harris and JVCK are doing a good job of competing (and often winning), at least.

I'm just not sure where the logical lines of division would be. Mission-critical and professional/commercial? Maybe subscribers and infrastructure? It's hard to break up a narrowly-focused company that has already divested business lines.

Per Hytera (one of our sister companies is a large dealer), Chinese judge says "....... if Hytera cannot sell in US, then Moto cannot sell in China...." . So, we will see. TT

This. Just ask Stihl.

Monopolies are defined as having 50 percent or more of a market. In the public safety arena, I'd say big M has more than that.

motorola/MSI is dying. LMR is also dying.

Hytera tried the fortune favors the bold, but then they got too reckless. Guess the other shoe fell.

Some of hytera's stuff is actually pretty good. Beat the snot out of Harris/MSI on pricing too, I think that was the actual unforgivable sin.

Wish they had made a multiband portable. Guess I need to go look... gonna be cheap now

Pretty much true for most radio outside of WIFI, cell and satellite.  HF was magic when you could talk to someone in the UK for free and telephones charged $2 per minute (probably $20 in today's money).  Most LMR towers I see out there are 20-30 years old on top of old trucking companies that are likely using cell phones now.  I think even public service radio days are numbered with the priority cell services that exist.

China’s typical R&D procedure for any new or emerging technology has always been gained through theft of intellectual property from others.

This is why China wants to invade Taiwan. Reunification has nothing to do with it.

snip     I think even public service radio days are numbered with the priority cell services that exist.  snip

I don't think so. Nothing is as quick to pass snippets of info as 2 way radio. Plus it is its own service that you can control and is not subject to "outages" like cell service. A police car talking direct to another police car is hard to beat.

A cell phone is just an app on an IP network.  Point to point calling is just a one behavior.  Implementing multi-point and talkgroups in a more radio like package on an LTE/5G modem is just another app as well.  We will see.

Yup.
MSI's latest offering they are pushing is nothing more than a cellphone that they threw an antenna on to make queasy public safety guys feel like they are still carrying a radio.

There is a *lot* of public service being carried over cellular and other things now. RoIP. Our state, 90% are on the state system. Sure, there's some microwave backhaul, but a lot of that stuff is still going over some kind of phone circuit.

It's still a brick shithouse of a radio (I've got two for demos right now). Even then, it's a radio first then a cellular device and though you can configure it to prioritize SmartConnect I don't know why you would do that nor do I know anyone who would. Even Motorola sent me my demo's with the Schaumburg Astro25 lab system with LMR as primary and SmartConnect as secondary. Looking at the next generation of Motorola portables though...only two of the four offer LTE.

I think a couple of my fire departments would be interested in the N70 because the LTE coverage in buildings that we currently struggle to have radio service in is adequate to fill the gap or even work with the owner to build a much lower cost 802.11 solutions to backhaul the radio traffic back the the core while still providing very good portable radio coverage in the neighboring counties that are running 800 MHz (we are all on the same system we just use different bands) since the higher population has resulted in 98% outdoor cellular coverage in those counties compared to our 65% cellular coverage. Doesn't make it as critical to have multi-band portables to provide mutual aid. At the same time however, they are already paying my department monthly per radio billing to be on the radio system...adding SmartConnect induces an annual per radio fee to Motorola versus a more expensive multi-band solution and only using the CAI (thus eliminating the reoccurring annual billing to Motorola). Did I mention the amount of money that was required to add the SmartConnect gateway to the core? Moto doesn't do that shit for free.

Then again, we are getting into the one of the core issues with both SmartConnect and BeON. They are proprietary to Motorola and Harris. SmartConnect can only gateway to a Motorola K/L/M core and BeON to a Harris VIDA core. It's going to take a lot of bitching and moaning from us system admins to force Motorola and Harris to tie their LTE gateways in via ISSI (which is a whole other goat rope on the Motorola side) so we can support multiple vendor's LTE protocols versus the current and total lack of interoperability there (so we remain on the P25 CAI for another 20 years until APCO gets this one sorted out). Guess I've ranted enough about my chief complaint with how Motorola and Harris have implemented LTE but it works I just don't really see it being as practical as my MR thinks it will be.

Man...I wish we were still using T-carriers for transport but availability has dwindled and with Windows patches going out over the network to the dozens of console positions bandwidth is a bit more of a concern and half our sites we couldn't get anything better than DSL and we are rural enough that I can say what's fiber so we rely almost exclusively on microwave. Now that MPLS is in use on the radio network we also now have the option to handle VPLS from providers natively.

Now back to the meat and potatoes of this...Hytera. I believe this mainly started out with IP using in XPT belonging to Motorola for Capacity Plus if I remember correctly. I don't think it actually had to do with Tier 2 IP that Motorola has licensed with the DMR Assn. There's a even more fun one to talk about the standards that don't really standardize much...DMR.

https://urgentcomm.com/2024/04/17/hytera-back-in-business-as-appeals-court-halts-sanctions-blocking-companys-two-way-radio-sales/