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Posted: 11/12/2022 10:35:26 AM EDT
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Looking for a new EDC knife, have good folders I like and use but want something substantial that will be of sufficient size to carry out both EDC and outdoors tasks. Think non permissive environments when I can't carry a pistol or have a pocket clip showing. Looking for one and done here, no real budget but I don't want or need shiny and flashy, this is 100% about function. Rather put money into great steel and handles than flash. Leaning hard towards one of the ESEE models but have never had the oppotunity to handle them in person. Certainly not opposed to other brands and have utilitarian stuff from companies like Ontario, Cold Steel, TOPS, Buck, Kershaw, and pre-chopfest Benchmade (plus a bunch of Moras, of course) - perhaps that helps give some ideas as to what would be s good fit. Also not opposed to a custom make (actually would be preferred to support our own) and some of the stuff I've seen from our resident makers on here is awesome. So, here are my thoughts/requrements: Utilitarian first, built tough - would be at home striking a fire starter, cleaning a deer, or for bushcraft uses, but not too massive to carry IWB. No foreign junk steel IWB sheath, kydex or kydex/leather hybrid Somewhere in the 4" ish blade range I suppose All thoughts and opinions welcome. Guys making custom stuff, I'd love to hear from you if you're not swamped with fancy projects. Cross posted from GD as well. Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 10:43:13 AM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/EDC-a-small-fixed-knife-Pocket-carry-only/5-2597300/
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Posted: 11/12/2022 10:45:15 AM EDT
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I like the idea of a fixed blade, but for non permissive carry you're probably better off with a tactical flashlight.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 10:47:09 AM EDT
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Of those, I would still go with ESEE; they are exactly what you said you were looking for: tough, durable, no frills knives.
During the GWOT, they garnered a decent following in my circle and we ended up putting them through quite a bit of abuse. With their wide range of sizes, you can get two or three that will pretty much cover the spectrum of knife needs. One caveat of sorts: with their thick, full length tang, for their relative size, they are “heftier” (i.e. heavier) than they look…but that’s what makes them tough. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2022 10:50:24 AM EDT
[#4]
ESSE RB3
Aftermarket kydex sheath |
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BRA
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:06:29 AM EDT
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ESEE Izula 2 is on me right now. I like them & 3 and 4. I use factory sheath IWB and Armatus for horizontal.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:28:49 AM EDT
[#6]
I carry a ESEE Izula and a 3. Great knives.
Also a brand to look at is TOOR. I also carry an anaconda in their concealed sheath. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:47:05 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By adversor: I like the idea of a fixed blade, but for non permissive carry you're probably better off with a tactical flashlight. Flashlight needs are already covered 
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Posted: 11/12/2022 12:27:02 PM EDT
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ESEE Izula, ESEE Izula 2, ESEE RB3, ESEE 3, ESEE 4
Blade length from shortest to longest (Izula and Izula 2 have the same blade, the 2 has a longer handle). Armatus sheath for whichever you chose. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2022 5:50:13 PM EDT
[#9]
ESEE-3HM has been my EDC knife for several years of everything from opening paint cans and boxes to chopping up chickens. I love it.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2022 7:11:35 PM EDT
[#10]
Oh heck, treat yourself to something special. My EDC.
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USA
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:08:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vap0rWav3r]
[#11]
As others have mentioned, my brother has an ESEE Izula 2 to fill this role, he likes it. It seems like a solid knife and won't break the bank, he found a decent kydex sheath on eBay that allows for scout/horizontal carry on his belt line.
I'm going to study some smaller fixed blade knives and make a small EDC knife for myself next year probably. A 4" blade in a "non-permissive" environment is going to be almost as hard to conceal as a compact pistol IMO though, 4" of blade will need at least 4-4.5" of handle to balance it out and make it feel good in the hand so you're at 8+" OAL. I personally have my bigger Moras in the car in my get home bag if I need an outdoor knife. I'll probably go somewhere between 2.5-3" for my fixed blade. |
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Posted: 11/13/2022 1:37:22 AM EDT
[#12]
ESEE 4
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NM, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2022 1:41:41 AM EDT
[#13]
Bradford Guardian 3
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Posted: 11/18/2022 10:47:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#14]
OP, are there any "legal" restrictions on knives in your AO, or in any AOs to which you are likely to travel while toting the knife?
Here in "Worker's Paradise of Rhode Island" longest legal knife has a blade length of 3" or less. Importantly, this is measured from tip of blade to the bolster/guard of the knife which is always longer than the sharpened edge of the blade. This is entirely aside from any knife being of a "prohibited" type of construction, such as "Switchblades" and so forth. Sad that honest citizens need to take this into account, but there it is. |
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Posted: 11/18/2022 9:26:05 PM EDT
[#15]
I really like the Old Timer Sharpfinger. Not claiming it's the best knife on the market but I really like the knife.
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Posted: 11/18/2022 9:41:48 PM EDT
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Get six Morakniv knives and get one or two of the survival ones with the magnesium rod strikers in the hilt.
Less than $150. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 11:07:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Get six Morakniv knives and get one or two of the survival ones with the magnesium rod strikers in the hilt. Less than $150.  Attached FileGet some Birchwood Casey Gun Blue if you don't like the blade shiny. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 2:32:14 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeepnik: Oh heck, treat yourself to something special. My EDC. https://i.imgur.com/vWKESFt.jpg?1 At first i was like this dude carries a D' Alton Holder....... 
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USA
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Posted: 1/25/2023 2:18:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GaryT1776]
[#20]
ESEE 3 ... budget choice
Busse Combat Active Duty or Leaner Meaner ... professional's choice ETA: Skeleton knives work great for "neck carry". ESEE Izula or Swamp Rat Warden |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 1:01:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1587095316660-489.gif Get some Birchwood Casey Gun Blue if you don't like the blade shiny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Get six Morakniv knives and get one or two of the survival ones with the magnesium rod strikers in the hilt. Less than $150. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1587095316660-489.gif Get some Birchwood Casey Gun Blue if you don't like the blade shiny. Glass-bead-blasting the blades can reduce shine, but roughens the surface making the blade harder to clean. OTOH, glass-bead blasting is perfect surface prep for coating the blade in a durable finish, such as ceracoat . |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2023 1:24:34 PM EDT
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Wolfpack... anecdote from the first North Carolina Tactical 3 gun match I shot in 1995.... a young Delta trooper was looking at the prize table, and there was a Randall #1 as one of the prizes... he had no idea of the quality of a Randall knife, or its value...
my #10 5" salt fisherman still sees use... you can appreciate it's age as I paid $35 for it... regards |
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Posted: 1/29/2023 8:11:30 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thederrick106: You're a gear whore!  We all have our faults in life...thanks for pointing mine out 
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Posted: 1/29/2023 10:29:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ROCK6: We all have our faults in life...thanks for pointing mine out Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ROCK6: Originally Posted By thederrick106: You're a gear whore! We all have our faults in life...thanks for pointing mine out Not a problem, I don't have hardly any gear myself. 
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Posted: 1/29/2023 10:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: OP, are there any "legal" restrictions on knives in your AO, or in any AOs to which you are likely to travel while toting the knife? Here in "Worker's Paradise of Rhode Island" longest legal knife has a blade length of 3" or less. Importantly, this is measured from tip of blade to the bolster/guard of the knife which is always longer than the sharpened edge of the blade. This is entirely aside from any knife being of a "prohibited" type of construction, such as "Switchblades" and so forth. Sad that honest citizens need to take this into account, but there it is. I would say move to a free starte but after doing serious thought on if I lived in a commie one and had already established deep root's then it wouldnbe extremely difficult to just upnamd move. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/31/2023 5:53:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ROCK6: We all have our faults in life...thanks for pointing mine out He beat me too it. At least you're a W with taste. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 8:01:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: OP, are there any "legal" restrictions on knives in your AO, or in any AOs to which you are likely to travel while toting the knife? Here in "Worker's Paradise of Rhode Island" longest legal knife has a blade length of 3" or less. Importantly, this is measured from tip of blade to the bolster/guard of the knife which is always longer than the sharpened edge of the blade. This is entirely aside from any knife being of a "prohibited" type of construction, such as "Switchblades" and so forth. Sad that honest citizens need to take this into account, but there it is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: OP, are there any "legal" restrictions on knives in your AO, or in any AOs to which you are likely to travel while toting the knife? Here in "Worker's Paradise of Rhode Island" longest legal knife has a blade length of 3" or less. Importantly, this is measured from tip of blade to the bolster/guard of the knife which is always longer than the sharpened edge of the blade. This is entirely aside from any knife being of a "prohibited" type of construction, such as "Switchblades" and so forth. Sad that honest citizens need to take this into account, but there it is. No restrictions here, sad that even needs to be considered. Originally Posted By ROCK6: We all have our faults in life...thanks for pointing mine out It's an easily forgivable one |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 8:03:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1587095316660-489.gif Get some Birchwood Casey Gun Blue if you don't like the blade shiny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Get six Morakniv knives and get one or two of the survival ones with the magnesium rod strikers in the hilt. Less than $150. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1587095316660-489.gif Get some Birchwood Casey Gun Blue if you don't like the blade shiny. Already have some Moras and have patina'd the blades. I like them but am looking for something nicer. I use an SRK for rough tasks, moras live in my packs. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 8:04:10 AM EDT
[#30]
Esee 3 for life
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:30:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Already have some Moras and have patina'd the blades. I like them but am looking for something nicer. I use an SRK for rough tasks, moras live in my packs. Head over to the Armory section and take a look in the Blade forum. There are several people that make knives on the site. Shoot them a message describing what you are looking for and asking what it would cost |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 1:47:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dcs12345: Head over to the Armory section and take a look in the Blade forum. There are several people that make knives on the site. Shoot them a message describing what you are looking for and asking what it would cost Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dcs12345: Originally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Already have some Moras and have patina'd the blades. I like them but am looking for something nicer. I use an SRK for rough tasks, moras live in my packs. Head over to the Armory section and take a look in the Blade forum. There are several people that make knives on the site. Shoot them a message describing what you are looking for and asking what it would cost  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 1:55:09 PM EDT
[#33]
ESEE 4 and a 3
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Posted: 2/7/2023 9:52:10 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1587095316660-489.gif Get some Birchwood Casey Gun Blue if you don't like the blade shiny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Get six Morakniv knives and get one or two of the survival ones with the magnesium rod strikers in the hilt. Less than $150. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1587095316660-489.gif Get some Birchwood Casey Gun Blue if you don't like the blade shiny. Soaking in hot white vinegar will give the carbon Morakniv an almost black finish. It also helps protect it from rust. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 9:10:20 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeepnik: Oh heck, treat yourself to something special. My EDC. https://i.imgur.com/vWKESFt.jpg?1 Nice. How long was your wait? When I was in Afghanistan, I was going to order one, as they expedited shipping for folks in theater. But alas, I was pulled out of there before I could do it. My loss. One day. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 3:12:39 PM EDT
[#36]
There are several folks who stock Randalls. Googled them. They may not have every model but if you look you can find something you like. Wait time on my last two were a couple of days.
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Posted: 3/2/2023 12:28:14 PM EDT
[#37]
Dynamis
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Posted: 3/3/2023 4:59:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Just obtained a Gerber "Applegate/Fairbairn" Covert Assisted folding knife on ebay. Fully satisfactory. Also ordered its big brother, the Gerber Applegate/Fairbairn folding Combat Knife.
I'm sure better knives/steels are available, but both these knives seem to be well-recommended, well reviewed, and pretty decent for what they are. I have invested in both the tools and knowledge/skill to sharpen both these knives. YMMV. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:59:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: Just obtained a Gerber "Applegate/Fairbairn" Covert Assisted folding knife on ebay. Fully satisfactory. Also ordered its big brother, the Gerber Applegate/Fairbairn folding Combat Knife. I'm sure better knives/steels are available, but both these knives seem to be well-recommended, well reviewed, and pretty decent for what they are. I have invested in both the tools and knowledge/skill to sharpen both these knives. YMMV. I like the secondary one but more than I need to spend on gear right now! Ammo just got stupid expensive in NY with the new laws, because apparently the 2nd amendment doesn't exist here anymore.My favorite large folder is the Cold Steel pocket bushman. If I had to pick one of my fixed blades to EDC I would go for the Cold Steel SRK Compact Fixed Knife SK5 with a high ride custom kydex sheath. I don't have such a sheath though. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:03:40 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thederrick106: I like the secondary one but more than I need to spend on gear right now! Ammo just got stupid expensive in NY with the new laws, because apparently the 2nd amendment doesn't exist here anymore.My favorite large folder is the Cold Steel pocket bushman. If I had to pick one of my fixed blades to EDC I would go for the Cold Steel SRK Compact Fixed Knife SK5 with a high ride custom kydex sheath. I don't have such a sheath though. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:07:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: We all have "personal" choices, and I reckon most "decent" choices would serve most of us well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By thederrick106: I like the secondary one but more than I need to spend on gear right now! Ammo just got stupid expensive in NY with the new laws, because apparently the 2nd amendment doesn't exist here anymore.My favorite large folder is the Cold Steel pocket bushman. If I had to pick one of my fixed blades to EDC I would go for the Cold Steel SRK Compact Fixed Knife SK5 with a high ride custom kydex sheath. I don't have such a sheath though. Well put! Problem for me & arfcom is all the like minded folks post epic gear and more often then not I always want to try one, or this or that out. I struggle with the will to not buy gear, because I too am a gear whore!
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:49:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thederrick106: Well put! Problem for me & arfcom is all the like minded folks post epic gear and more often then not I always want to try one, or this or that out. I struggle with the will to not buy gear, because I too am a gear whore! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thederrick106: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By thederrick106: I like the secondary one but more than I need to spend on gear right now! Ammo just got stupid expensive in NY with the new laws, because apparently the 2nd amendment doesn't exist here anymore.My favorite large folder is the Cold Steel pocket bushman. If I had to pick one of my fixed blades to EDC I would go for the Cold Steel SRK Compact Fixed Knife SK5 with a high ride custom kydex sheath. I don't have such a sheath though. Well put! Problem for me & arfcom is all the like minded folks post epic gear and more often then not I always want to try one, or this or that out. I struggle with the will to not buy gear, because I too am a gear whore! Call it something of a "filter" if you will. By the same token, it's on the OP to precisely define what they want. Most often, this is not well defined. I own, kinda by accident, some "collectible" knives. I've "retired" them and have substituted similar knives for "field" use. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 7:47:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lungbuster]
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Posted: 3/11/2023 8:44:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#44]
Most folks have not trained in "knife-fighting" with Expert guidance, pistols being the referred item nowadays.
For the most part, a "fighting knife" is far longer than most "utility" knives, and a somewhat specialized item. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 7:05:28 AM EDT
[#45]
@Lungbuster
It’s a pretty simple fixed blade Karambit, made by Black Fox Knives (relatively inexpensive when on sale): Black Fox Karambit, fixed blade Originally Posted By raf: Most folks have not trained in "knife-fighting" with Expert guidance, pistols being the referred item nowadays. For the most part, a "fighting knife" is far longer than most "utility" knives, and a somewhat specialized item. This needs a little context. I don’t think too many are thinking of it as “knife fighting” so much as it’s just defensive use or used to create some space. A lot of people are killed by unskilled “knife fighters” every day, but fighting with a knife isn’t something I focus on. An expert doesn’t need to teach you how to stab, but it does help to have an expert show you where to stab. Slashing is the same thing. I only practice a few ice-pick slashes and “punches” or stabs from my weak-hand, and my only purpose is to create space for a gun or break contact. What I’ve found the biggest challenge is that if I’m really in a position to use a knife, I likely have very little space. Many of the knife fighting techniques that require maneuver and swinging space are just not useful to me. I need something out with less than six inches to maneuver, jab and slash at face or tendons. I don’t want to be an expert, I just was to be efficient at accessing under stress and focusing on breaking contact and creating space for a much more effective defensive tool that I do train with and with experts. I do find the irony that every knife I’ve seen in combat, oh, let’s say several hundred, have been used for utility far more than combat. As much as I like dedicated fighting knives, I also realize I’m far more likely to use them for utility purposes if I don’t have another tool available. I’m not against professional defensive knife training, but I would recommend training that incorporates having a handgun as well. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 7:16:05 AM EDT
[#46]
Like others here, I like an ESEE 3 variant however, I recently purchased this Falkenkniven G1 Garm Fighter. It’s a handy little knife that has strong steel, razor sharp, and a grippy hilt.
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Posted: 3/12/2023 10:01:27 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ROCK6: @Lungbuster It’s a pretty simple fixed blade Karambit, made by Black Fox Knives (relatively inexpensive when on sale): Black Fox Karambit, fixed blade This needs a little context. I don’t think too many are thinking of it as “knife fighting” so much as it’s just defensive use or used to create some space. A lot of people are killed by unskilled “knife fighters” every day, but fighting with a knife isn’t something I focus on. An expert doesn’t need to teach you how to stab, but it does help to have an expert show you where to stab. Slashing is the same thing. I only practice a few ice-pick slashes and “punches” or stabs from my weak-hand, and my only purpose is to create space for a gun or break contact. What I’ve found the biggest challenge is that if I’m really in a position to use a knife, I likely have very little space. Many of the knife fighting techniques that require maneuver and swinging space are just not useful to me. I need something out with less than six inches to maneuver, jab and slash at face or tendons. I don’t want to be an expert, I just was to be efficient at accessing under stress and focusing on breaking contact and creating space for a much more effective defensive tool that I do train with and with experts. I do find the irony that every knife I’ve seen in combat, oh, let’s say several hundred, have been used for utility far more than combat. As much as I like dedicated fighting knives, I also realize I’m far more likely to use them for utility purposes if I don’t have another tool available. I’m not against professional defensive knife training, but I would recommend training that incorporates having a handgun as well. ROCK6 Thanks. Looks like they are OOS on most websites. I’ll keep an eye out for one. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 10:01:40 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ROCK6: @Lungbuster It’s a pretty simple fixed blade Karambit, made by Black Fox Knives (relatively inexpensive when on sale): Black Fox Karambit, fixed blade This needs a little context. I don’t think too many are thinking of it as “knife fighting” so much as it’s just defensive use or used to create some space. A lot of people are killed by unskilled “knife fighters” every day, but fighting with a knife isn’t something I focus on. An expert doesn’t need to teach you how to stab, but it does help to have an expert show you where to stab. Slashing is the same thing. I only practice a few ice-pick slashes and “punches” or stabs from my weak-hand, and my only purpose is to create space for a gun or break contact. What I’ve found the biggest challenge is that if I’m really in a position to use a knife, I likely have very little space. Many of the knife fighting techniques that require maneuver and swinging space are just not useful to me. I need something out with less than six inches to maneuver, jab and slash at face or tendons. I don’t want to be an expert, I just was to be efficient at accessing under stress and focusing on breaking contact and creating space for a much more effective defensive tool that I do train with and with experts. I do find the irony that every knife I’ve seen in combat, oh, let’s say several hundred, have been used for utility far more than combat. As much as I like dedicated fighting knives, I also realize I’m far more likely to use them for utility purposes if I don’t have another tool available. I’m not against professional defensive knife training, but I would recommend training that incorporates having a handgun as well. ROCK6 Thanks. Looks like they are OOS on most websites. I’ll keep an eye out for one. |
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Posted: 3/13/2023 6:04:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Not being an "Expert", I think there is much to discuss and evaluate.
For example, common Kevlar "soft" armor is OK for small Arty fragments, but not so "OK" for rifle bullets. Same Kevlar soft armor is usually good for "slashing" knife attacks, but not nearly so good for a sharply pointed knife, or worse, a Spike. I understand that there are "Stab-Resistant" vests, mostly used by Cops and Prison Guards. IDK what level of bullet protection such "Stab-Resistant" items might offer. Adding bullet-resistant plates certainly renders areas covered by the plates invulnerable to knife/spike attack. I'm posing questions without knowing answers. Hopefully some actual Experts can provide answers. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 5:31:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: I understand that there are "Stab-Resistant" vests, mostly used by Cops and Prison Guards. IDK what level of bullet protection such "Stab-Resistant" items might offer. There are some real lightweight, thin Level IIIA plates on the market that will defeat stabs as well as pistol and shotgun buck. I have a set of Spartan Armis Level IIIA Plates in a First Spear (evidently not made anymore) thin, slick plate carrier that is almost thin enough to wear under a T-shirt. It's simply part of my protection system where the threat level is elevated, but not to the point of bunkering at home and donning the full plate carrier. I could still wear it for trips to work, getting gas, groceries, etc., and not draw any attention. ROCK6 |
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