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Seems like you put out quality posts more than pretty much anyone else here.
Cool story (seriously)...I enjoy reading them. I wish I could say I've played with one. When I was a kid I wanted to operate heavy equipment (like a lot of 5 year olds) but wound up going into finance instead. They don't let bean counters operate machinery. |
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roll me another one, just like the one you rolled before
glad to hear you had your wits about you and minimized the damage |
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Glad you made it unscathed.
I had this thing unintentionally on 2 wheels a few days ago. Pucker factor was a 10, and I was buckled in. Attached File |
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Yes seat belts are a very good idea. I learned that the hard way when I picked up an 800 lb round bale with a single front spear attachment. The skid steer rear wheels reached for the sky and I went flying out the front.
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I should mention this is a mini skid steer, stupid easy to tip over. Bobcat 440b.
We got it back on the wheels no problem, the skiddy looks ok. I'll let it sit there and let the fluids go back where they belong, then I'll assess tomorrow. |
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I only tipped one, spreading gravel on a downhill slope, bucket high enough to see clearly what I was doing, and went over forwards. I used the bucket to catch myself and tip back upright, thank goodness!
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I have a bad habit of not wearing the seat belt on my mini excavator. I really need to work on changing that. Turning it over without the seat belt on could be really bad as it has an open cab.
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I've had a few of them about end up on top of me when I was a teenager holding posts while an operator hammered. Pucker inducing.
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Spooky, I've not rolled any equipment but been VERY close a few times. Scary stuff, glad you're ok!
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Both cylinders were filled with engine oil.
I pulled the plugs, sucked out the oil. Fired it up, let it smoke for a bit, cleared out and ran fine. The hydraulic oil was not even on the stick, filled that up. Going to change engine oil, just in case gas got mixed in, it was almost due anyway. Other than the machine covered in oil, no issues that I've found yet driving it back up top. She will get serviced and put back to work. |
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Quoted: I'm fine. Might get a little bruise on my elbow. But not sure why it tipped, as the ground is fairly level that way. I've been working in debris in that area, could have blown a tire, which will cause that machine to tip very easily. I've got 20 years running skid steers, so this can happen to anyone. Wear that seat belt and wear it properly!!!! I felt it wanting to go, tried to correct, but I knew I lost it and braced for impact. Killed the engine as soon as it dropped, that should be fine. It's losing hydraulic fluid from the reservoir, can be refilled. My brother is trailering up the big bobcat at the farm, coming to save my ass. No way to get a pickup down where it's at, so I owe him (another) favor for coming out. Safety first kids! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/165887/KIMG0638_JPG-1993510.jpg View Quote Yeah That's why seat belts are important. Done that with a New Hollond while loading a truck and the back tire popped off the rim. Turned it back up right topped off the fluids including the battery and she fired back up. We had to wait for a new tire it sliced the side wall with the the rim from the inside. |
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Just got done getting the skiddy back up and going.
I changed engine oil & filter. Topped off the hydraulic oil. I gave it a good degreasing and pressure wash since I had the cab up anyway, so now it is also clean. Greased it up and put it back in line. Looking over the site, I figured out what happened. You can't really tell from the pic, but from where the camera is to where the skiddy was laid down, about 25' of distance, the elevation drops roughly 4 feet. I was facing down the hill when doing the work, which was skimming off all the clay that was dumped there from the new house construction (yeah, still have dirt piles from that...) to get back down to black dirt. After I had taken about half a bucket, and was rotating counter-clockwise and backing up to back up the incline to dump. My front left wheel then fell into a small hole, maybe 4" deep or so. As luck would have it, at the same time, my right rear wheel hit a bump. The combination of the two, plus my bucket was about 20" in the air (so I could see a fence post I was trying to avoid), plus the very narrow/short wheel base, put me over center with no recovery was possible, and the result is what happened. So technically user error. |
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I did come away with 2 changes to SOP:
1. The seat belt is the style that each side has a mating buckle, and each side is adjustable. For comfort, I adjust to where the buckle is on my left side; automotive style instead of "belt buckle" style. Since I fell on my left side, it wasn't super easy to get the belt un-buckled, and I also carry my knife in my left front pocket. I was able to open the seat belt w/o too much trouble, but had I been injured, it would have been extremely difficult. I'm going to get one of those seat belt cutters and mount it in the cab for easy access in any position. 2. I was in my own yard, my oldest son was home, but watching my 7 year old (not able to pay attention to what I was doing; no kids outside when I'm running equipment, my rule), but my wife and youngest were visiting her Dad. I did NOT have my cell phone on me, normally don't when I'm doing bobcat work. I can't hear it ring anyway, I wear ear plugs, and I'm just more apt to lose/destroy the phone over actually using it. I'm going to either get a good phone carrier that again connects to the cab, or I'm going to use cheap FRS radios, one in the house and one in the skiddy, for comms if needed. |
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Glad your ok OP! Rolling over is one of my biggest fears using my tractor on my property with it's hills. I believe it's the number one killer in tractor work.
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Quoted: Both cylinders were filled with engine oil. I pulled the plugs, sucked out the oil. Fired it up, let it smoke for a bit, cleared out and ran fine. The hydraulic oil was not even on the stick, filled that up. Going to change engine oil, just in case gas got mixed in, it was almost due anyway. Other than the machine covered in oil, no issues that I've found yet driving it back up top. She will get serviced and put back to work. View Quote Don’t forget to self report that oil spill! |
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I’m glad you posted this. I recently bought a 2025R for our new place and I think I’m going to install spacers. We have sloped property and I just think it’s not worth the risk.
I felt like I was close to rolling it today. I had my seat belt on, but the ROPS folded due to my garage. I’ll be changing that from now on. |
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I damn near rolled a mini skid a few days ago. It slid in the mud to the edge of a ditch and was teetering on two wheels. I sat for a few seconds trying to decide if it was safe to bail out.
Finally jumped out without issue. Used the 4Runner to recover it. A short time later, I tipped over frontwards onto the bucket for a brief moment. It was time to call it a day. |
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In the spirit of this thread, today I caught the ROPS of my zero turn on a low branch at the crest of a small hill. Scared myself, but was still grateful I had my seatbelt and ROPS up in the first place.
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Quoted: I did come away with 2 changes to SOP: 1. The seat belt is the style that each side has a mating buckle, and each side is adjustable. For comfort, I adjust to where the buckle is on my left side; automotive style instead of "belt buckle" style. Since I fell on my left side, it wasn't super easy to get the belt un-buckled, and I also carry my knife in my left front pocket. I was able to open the seat belt w/o too much trouble, but had I been injured, it would have been extremely difficult. I'm going to get one of those seat belt cutters and mount it in the cab for easy access in any position. 2. I was in my own yard, my oldest son was home, but watching my 7 year old (not able to pay attention to what I was doing; no kids outside when I'm running equipment, my rule), but my wife and youngest were visiting her Dad. I did NOT have my cell phone on me, normally don't when I'm doing bobcat work. I can't hear it ring anyway, I wear ear plugs, and I'm just more apt to lose/destroy the phone over actually using it. I'm going to either get a good phone carrier that again connects to the cab, or I'm going to use cheap FRS radios, one in the house and one in the skiddy, for comms if needed. View Quote Do the phone thing. Not the radio thing. Cuz might be nobody is in the house to answer that radio. Really glad you are okay. Just seeing this. Can happen to anybody. Safety first. Can replace any piece of equipment. Can't replace one of us. |
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Quoted: In the spirit of this thread, today I caught the ROPS of my zero turn on a low branch at the crest of a small hill. Scared myself, but was still grateful I had my seatbelt and ROPS up in the first place. View Quote I've done that so many times....end up on the two back wheels. Scares the bejeebers out of me every time it happens. My mower dealer told me, 'If the roll bar is up, the seat belt is on, understand?" I said "yes, sir." And I've done it that way. Have to make myself do it though. Lazy is easy. |
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Rolled my tractor while brush hogging a few years ago. Into a tree that came across the steering column - another 10 inches it would have crushed me in the seat. Seatbelt on. Still wear the belt of course, but rolling into trees is my worst nightmare (and was before it happened). Rollovers happen faster than you can say “holy shit”. My neighbor and friend doesn’t wear a belt AND doesn’t keep the ROPS up - insists he can jump clear. Not happening…..
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My neighbor had an old Kubota tractor with no ROPS (gray market, dunno). He lives on a hill just like me.
One day he was on his hill and rolled his tractor - while his young son (<5 years old) was in his lap. He was able "throw him out" and the kid was unhurt. Fast forward a year or so, now he has a new Kubota L3301. He leaves the roll bar down so it can fit in the way too short shop overhang/leanto he had built. And the last time I saw him use it was with his bushhog - with his son in his lap. |
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Quoted: Rolled my tractor while brush hogging a few years ago. Into a tree that came across the steering column - another 10 inches it would have crushed me in the seat. Seatbelt on. Still wear the belt of course, but rolling into trees is my worst nightmare (and was before it happened). Rollovers happen faster than you can say “holy shit”. My neighbor and friend doesn’t wear a belt AND doesn’t keep the ROPS up - insists he can jump clear. Not happening….. View Quote I think that's kinda like holding your baby in your arms and saying you can keep her from going through the windshield if you hit something head-on. Unrealistic. Sounds like you guys live in hills. |
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Quoted: My neighbor had an old Kubota tractor with no ROPS (gray market, dunno). He lives on a hill just like me. One day he was on his hill and rolled his tractor - while his young son (<5 years old) was in his lap. He was able "throw him out" and the kid was unhurt. Fast forward a year or so, now he has a new Kubota L3301. He leaves the roll bar down so it can fit in the way too short shop overhang/leanto he had built. And the last time I saw him use it was with his bushhog - with his son in his lap. View Quote It is interesting to me that I grew up with stuff like this. Riding on my dad's lap on the tractor, etc. (Never on big hills though, which makes me think he wouldn't let me for a reason.) Long time ago. There were no roll bars back then. By the time I was 6, I was actually steering the tractor across the tobacco field while my dad loaded the tobacco onto the wagon. (Couldn't reach the pedals and could just hold it in the row, basically, going so slow he could walk over, step up, and handle the thing) but either times have changed or I have changed, because this makes me worry for that man and his little one. We had a whole section on tractor safety in Vo-ag back then. Rollovers scared me then. Scare me now. I think it's a valuable thing to ride on dad's (or mom's) lap on the tractor, on the four-wheeler, in the car/truck (maybe just on the farm or gravel roads nowadays, as things have changed a lot). But shit still happens. What is the right way? I certainly don't know, and glad I don't have to make the choice. None of the cats have any interest in driving. |
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I’m glad you’re ok. Skid steer tip overs can be pretty bad. I’d never run one next to a body of water without a pretty clear egress plan and someone with an excavator nearby that could tip me off of my lid. Might not even do it then.
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Another tale of caution.
A neighbor loaned his skidloader to a cattle jockey to clean out a manure pack in a loafing shed. He was using a manure bucket with a grapple and dumping over a short concrete wall. He was in the process of dumping and the loader tipped forward. He reactively grabbed the front of the loader with both hands to brace himself. Unfortunately the top of the wall aligned with the front edge of the loader and crushed all his fingers. |
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I am all for safety where applicable, although I am guilty of defeating the seat switch on my tractor. But... I am, and will continue to be a staunch proponent of not having a ROPS on a zero turn. IMO, they have zero place on a zero turn, and actually do more harm than good. Just recently, our local VFD responded to a severe injury incident involving a zero turn with a ROPS that had hooked on a tree and thrown the operator off. That guy will never be the same after that.
Tractors and the like? Yep. Seatbelts and ROPS up. But on a zero turn, where 70% of the weight is behind you, and the pivot point for a ROPS is also behind you, that is a hard no for me. |
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Quoted: I am all for safety where applicable, although I am guilty of defeating the seat switch on my tractor. But... I am, and will continue to be a staunch proponent of not having a ROPS on a zero turn. IMO, they have zero place on a zero turn, and actually do more harm than good. Just recently, our local VFD responded to a severe injury incident involving a zero turn with a ROPS that had hooked on a tree and thrown the operator off. That guy will never be the same after that. Tractors and the like? Yep. Seatbelts and ROPS up. But on a zero turn, where 70% of the weight is behind you, and the pivot point for a ROPS is also behind you, that is a hard no for me. View Quote @cucamelsmd15 Did the operator have his/her seatbelt on? That's the key with ROPS on a zero turn, according to everybody I've spoken with. ROPS up, seatbelt on. ROPS down, NO seatbelt. By far most of the deaths I've seen were with this rule not followed. Not all, but mostly all. Things like rollovers onto concrete culverts and such....I'm not sure there is any system that will save the operator pinned between the mower and that object. |
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Quoted: I live and mow on a hill. Having a ROPS is a hard "Yes" for me. Plus, it holds up the surplus golf cart canopy. https://i.imgur.com/6xbfiE1.jpg Pretty steep: https://i.imgur.com/Qq8Mwne.jpg View Quote Every time you post that property I want to come live with you. |
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Quoted: I am all for safety where applicable, although I am guilty of defeating the seat switch on my tractor. But... I am, and will continue to be a staunch proponent of not having a ROPS on a zero turn. IMO, they have zero place on a zero turn, and actually do more harm than good. Just recently, our local VFD responded to a severe injury incident involving a zero turn with a ROPS that had hooked on a tree and thrown the operator off. That guy will never be the same after that. Tractors and the like? Yep. Seatbelts and ROPS up. But on a zero turn, where 70% of the weight is behind you, and the pivot point for a ROPS is also behind you, that is a hard no for me. View Quote I have mine down now for this very reason. Caught a tree limb and it damn near flipped me up and backwards. I had the front two rollers off the ground probably 2 feet. Luckily i instinctively threw it into reverse quick enough to not flip backwards. Scared the crap out of me and it happened so quickly. |
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Quoted: I have mine down now for this very reason. Caught a tree limb and it damn near flipped me up and backwards. I had the front two rollers off the ground probably 2 feet. Luckily i instinctively threw it into reverse quick enough to not flip backwards. Scared the crap out of me and it happened so quickly. View Quote I catch tree limbs with mine pretty regularly, and I do not like my wheels up there in the air. I've gotten a lot better at remembering that bar is up, but if I get focused on something on the ground, I'll forget sometimes and there I go. I'd still rather have the ROPS up though. The worst was when I first got it and didn't realize my trailer had bigger tires than most. I kept catching the deck on the break and doing wheelies onto the trailer. Kept my head enough to pull back on the levers and slam it down before I went off the front, but I about quit mowing cuz it was freaking me out so bad. Finally I figured out the tire situation and made a ramp for under the gate. My mower dealer will do a wheelie down the road on purpose, but I prefer the front wheels ON the ground. Even mowing over uneven ground, or tree roots, sometimes I'll find the front wheels off the ground just from the unevenness, and if one rear wheel starts to spin, it jerks the mower around hard. Seatbelt and ROPS are a "yes to both" for me. Edited cuz I responded with part of this earlier and forgot. I think I'm getting old enough that my mind is slipping. |
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Quoted: Do these make my rear look too big? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60523/spacer2__1_-2046995.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: My neighbor had an old Kubota tractor with no ROPS (gray market, dunno). He lives on a hill just like me. One day he was on his hill and rolled his tractor - while his young son (<5 years old) was in his lap. He was able "throw him out" and the kid was unhurt. Fast forward a year or so, now he has a new Kubota L3301. He leaves the roll bar down so it can fit in the way too short shop overhang/leanto he had built. And the last time I saw him use it was with his bushhog - with his son in his lap. View Quote In one decade in law enforcement, I’ve been privy to the aftermath of toddlers on brush hog ride alongs twice. Always a fatality. |
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soo after putting down deposit on b2601 im now reading all these rollover stories. How easy is it to roll these things over? most i read are on hills but i don't think i have a hill more of incline? But also mow with the hill so im not too concerned
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Quoted: soo after putting down deposit on b2601 im now reading all these rollover stories. How easy is it to roll these things over? most i read are on hills but i don't think i have a hill more of incline? But also mow with the hill so im not too concerned View Quote Go slow and give your built-in butt inclinometer some time to calibrate and it will keep you out of most trouble - or you'll at least know when you're creeping into the trouble zone. The exception is if you are stupid with your FEL or speed... get cocky with either and they can dump you in a hurry with no notice. Never have your FEL higher than you absolutely need and always be mindful of your speed. ROPS up at all times. |
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Also, don't stick your arm out the side when it tips. Then you just get a broken/torn off arm.
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Quoted: I do hope that is not experience speaking? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Also, don't stick your arm out the side when it tips. Then you just get a broken/torn off arm. I do hope that is not experience speaking? Nope! But it's super common in side-by-sides. When the machine rolls, even though people are harnessed in, they instinctively stick their arms out to break their fall, and they get a broken arm if it's low-speed, or if it's high-speed, the movement pulls their arm back under the vertical post of the roll bar, and tears their arm to shreds as the machine slides. I know one girl who was in a side-by-side that rolled, and had netting over the window to prevent that. She still stuck her hand against the netting, and had some significant injury to her fingers. That instinct is hard to overcome. |
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Quoted: Nope! But it's super common in side-by-sides. When the machine rolls, even though people are harnessed in, they instinctively stick their arms out to break their fall, and they get a broken arm if it's low-speed, or if it's high-speed, the movement pulls their arm back under the vertical post of the roll bar, and tears their arm to shreds as the machine slides. I know one girl who was in a side-by-side that rolled, and had netting over the window to prevent that. She still stuck her hand against the netting, and had some significant injury to her fingers. That instinct is hard to overcome. View Quote My internal programming has been revised enough that in those instances, hands off wheel, feet off pedals. Seems to have worked out so far. |
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Quoted: Go slow and give your built-in butt inclinometer some time to calibrate and it will keep you out of most trouble - or you'll at least know when you're creeping into the trouble zone. The exception is if you are stupid with your FEL or speed... get cocky with either and they can dump you in a hurry with no notice. Never have your FEL higher than you absolutely need and always be mindful of your speed. ROPS up at all times. View Quote Don't forget to buckle the seatbelt |
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Quoted: Nope! But it's super common in side-by-sides. When the machine rolls, even though people are harnessed in, they instinctively stick their arms out to break their fall, and they get a broken arm if it's low-speed, or if it's high-speed, the movement pulls their arm back under the vertical post of the roll bar, and tears their arm to shreds as the machine slides. I know one girl who was in a side-by-side that rolled, and had netting over the window to prevent that. She still stuck her hand against the netting, and had some significant injury to her fingers. That instinct is hard to overcome. View Quote That instinct is indeed hard to overcome. I was working under a car once when it started to roll off the ramps. The first thing I did was to put my hands up to stop it. Fortunately my brain kicked in and I flattened out and only got some scrapes and bruises instead of two broken arms. |
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People in a rush, not paying attention and excusing risk get hurt.
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Quoted: People in a rush, not paying attention and excusing risk get hurt. View Quote Smart people paying attention often get hurt too. I, for one, am for wearing the seatbelt and using the ROPS. There are many, many, MANY studies that prove you are more likely to live using the safety options...the ROPS, the seatbelt if the ROPS is engaged, etc. We should not ignore what the masses have learned because we think differently. To do so is....(I hate to say it, but I will) Stupid. Use the ROPS. Use the seatbelt with the ROPS. Don't be stupid. |
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I untacked this.
On one hand, I think it is a subject that deserves a permanent tack. On the other hand, we don't have a lot of space for things like this. I welcome thoughts from members. (We need some content threads...stuff that is "the knowledge of the membership" But I don't have time to create it right now. I apologize for this.) |
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To the guy who bought the kubota b2601 I would check with your dealer, my dealer won't put on a front loader without rim guard in the rear tires.
I just bought a b2301 with a loader and I went to move some dirt and I didn't have any counter weight on the rear. I hit a bump going slow and the tractor rear tires were two feet off the ground. I had my seat belt on and ROPS up but I was quick enough to drop the bucket right away. I called my dealer and he said that they don't put rear ballast in the b series unless you ask for it. His answer was that a lot of people buy the b series to mow and do light work. He recommended putting the grader box on for ballast. It is in the shop getting beat juice right now. The grader box helps but I don't have a perfect lawn so its ballast for me. The b series are very light. Be safe and always remember the rules, roll bar up seat belt on, roll bar down, no seat belt. I have 5 kubotas from a bx2670 to an m4900 with backhoes on my l3301 and m4900. I like the b but it is very light. Stay safe. |
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Quoted: To the guy who bought the kubota b2601 I would check with your dealer, my dealer won't put on a front loader without rim guard in the rear tires. I just bought a b2301 with a loader and I went to move some dirt and I didn't have any counter weight on the rear. I hit a bump going slow and the tractor rear tires were two feet off the ground. I had my seat belt on and ROPS up but I was quick enough to drop the bucket right away. I called my dealer and he said that they don't put rear ballast in the b series unless you ask for it. His answer was that a lot of people buy the b series to mow and do light work. He recommended putting the grader box on for ballast. It is in the shop getting beat juice right now. The grader box helps but I don't have a perfect lawn so its ballast for me. The b series are very light. Be safe and always remember the rules, roll bar up seat belt on, roll bar down, no seat belt. I have 5 kubotas from a bx2670 to an m4900 with backhoes on my l3301 and m4900. I like the b but it is very light. Stay safe. View Quote I wish we could get beet juice around here. |
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Quoted: I wish we could get beet juice around here. View Quote If you can't, RV antifreeze at 1:10 to water works well, too. That's what we did. I almost broke my arm last summer, I was mowing down some saplings and one pinned my arm up against the ROPS. I was able to get the tractor stopped before it snapped my arm, but it really made me think. I also have the same rule about equipment and kids in the house. I have a 15, 13, and 1 year old. The 15 year old will often help me while I'm in the skid steer, and that's a totally different situation than a toddler or young child running around. There's no way in hell I'd put my toddler in my lap on any piece of equipment. The 15 year old learned how to do donuts in the skid steer over Christmas break |
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