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Posted: 6/21/2020 6:32:19 PM EDT
Never had a chance to kill a hog, been a deer hunter off and on. I’d like to get some marsh hogs from my boat and I’m wondering if my 10.3 is a good ethical weapon for them? If I enjoy it enough, I plan on building a 12.5 6.5 grendel for it.
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Just skip to the Grendel. Some people would argue 16” 5.56 isn’t ethical.
Your proposal definitely isn’t ethical to your ears, that’s for sure. |
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Smoke em if you got em!!!
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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I've killed pigs with a 10.5 inch, suppressed. I don't shoot it at all without a can.
Ethical? Do you worry about the ethics of stepping on a roach? |
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Two nights ago i had the opportunity to go hunting for the first time in a long time.
Left all my good factory ammo and sbr reloads at the house. So I dropped one at 75 yards one shot with cheap fioochi 55 fmj out of an 11.5” ar. |
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: Ethical? Do you worry about the ethics of stepping on a roach? View Quote Some of us are sportsmen that concern ourselves with treating all animals humanely, regardless of what some PHD biologist put in a report to get more grant money. After killing hogs with 16" 5.56 guns and a variety of other calibers, I'd say 5.56 is marginal for humane hunting of anything larger than a coyote. The terminal damage difference in 5.56 and mainstream hunting calibers (like the "lowly" 30-30) is great. |
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Originally Posted By 1ipschoser: Some of us are sportsmen that concern ourselves with treating all animals humanely, regardless of what some PHD biologist put in a report to get more grant money. After killing hogs with 16" 5.56 guns and a variety of other calibers, I'd say 5.56 is marginal for humane hunting of anything larger than a coyote. The terminal damage difference in 5.56 and mainstream hunting calibers (like the "lowly" 30-30) is great. View Quote Never had an issue stopping them with 5.56, even rather large ones with small shooters Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 1ipschoser: Some of us are sportsmen that concern ourselves with treating all animals humanely, regardless of what some PHD biologist put in a report to get more grant money. After killing hogs with 16" 5.56 guns and a variety of other calibers, I'd say 5.56 is marginal for humane hunting of anything larger than a coyote. The terminal damage difference in 5.56 and mainstream hunting calibers (like the "lowly" 30-30) is great. View Quote Obviously has never repaired pig rooting damage and never watched the ground nesting birds being decimated. All this compassion but no empathy for the land or the native critters. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By 1ipschoser: Some of us are sportsmen that concern ourselves with treating all animals humanely, regardless of what some PHD biologist put in a report to get more grant money. After killing hogs with 16" 5.56 guns and a variety of other calibers, I'd say 5.56 is marginal for humane hunting of anything larger than a coyote. The terminal damage difference in 5.56 and mainstream hunting calibers (like the "lowly" 30-30) is great. View Quote |
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An armed society is a polite society.
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Originally Posted By 1ipschoser: Some of us are sportsmen that concern ourselves with treating all animals humanely, regardless of what some PHD biologist put in a report to get more grant money. After killing hogs with 16" 5.56 guns and a variety of other calibers, I'd say 5.56 is marginal for humane hunting of anything larger than a coyote. The terminal damage difference in 5.56 and mainstream hunting calibers (like the "lowly" 30-30) is great. View Quote I don't read or care what "PHD biologists" say. I'm pretty concerned with my own land and finances. Once you've had hogs rooting up crops you have $100/acre in, at a rate of 7-10 acres per night, you might feel differently. Or maybe it would take watching hogs carrying fawns off to eat, or watching your prairie chicken and quail populations cease to exist. Maybe it would take seeing someone seriously injured by hitting one on the road. Either way, your sanctimonious drivel has about as much affect on my decisions as a rubber chicken has on a tank. I'm pretty sure you'd recoil if I tried to force my morals onto you, don't be surprised when I do the same. |
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: I don't read or care what "PHD biologists" say. I'm pretty concerned with my own land and finances. Once you've had hogs rooting up crops you have $100/acre in, at a rate of 7-10 acres per night, you might feel differently. Or maybe it would take watching hogs carrying fawns off to eat, or watching your prairie chicken and quail populations cease to exist. Maybe it would take seeing someone seriously injured by hitting one on the road. Either way, your sanctimonious drivel has about as much affect on my decisions as a rubber chicken has on a tank. I'm pretty sure you'd recoil if I tried to force my morals onto you, don't be surprised when I do the same. View Quote Edited because feelings are not facts~ussrangersm |
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Originally Posted By 1ipschoser: Ok, so now I see how you rationalize being unethical. Thanks for the update. Don't be surprised if I no longer read any of your sanctimonious drivel. View Quote Just stop throwing accusations at people or you will not find yourself in these threads anymore, just because your feelings are hurt doesn’t mean you can accuse people of being unethical. First and only warning |
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USS Ranger (CV-61)
‘86-‘90 “Today we are all Virginians” I think I will go out and lick shopping cart handles till I get the coronavirus just to get it over with |
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View Quote Sweet! Bonus for the squealer and the flip! |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: I don't read or care what "PHD biologists" say. I'm pretty concerned with my own land and finances. Once you've had hogs rooting up crops you have $100/acre in, at a rate of 7-10 acres per night, you might feel differently. Or maybe it would take watching hogs carrying fawns off to eat, or watching your prairie chicken and quail populations cease to exist. Maybe it would take seeing someone seriously injured by hitting one on the road. Either way, your sanctimonious drivel has about as much affect on my decisions as a rubber chicken has on a tank. I'm pretty sure you'd recoil if I tried to force my morals onto you, don't be surprised when I do the same. View Quote What he said. My father-in-law would probably prefer the hogs be shot and that they run off and have a painful, slow death. It’s more of pest control/extermination than hunting when it comes to keeping them out of crops |
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I'm guessing it would be fine with proper ammo selection and shot placement. Took a 120lb doe with a federal fusion 62gr soft point out of an 11.5in barrel a few years ago(60yard shot). Got the heart and both lungs, she didn't even take a step and was dead before she hit the ground. Ive seen plenty of guys with bigger caliber guns not kill deer because of poor shot placement and poor shoot/no shoot decisions and taking shots at shit that was at ranges beyond what they were capable of shooting accurately. Staying within your capabilities as a shooter and knowing the limits of your ammo is just as important as proper shot placement and making a smart decision about shoot/no shoot. The same year i got the doe i let a buck go. It was about 200-225 yards out. Could I have hit it with the 11.5 yes I can hit at 600 yards with it (God I miss my old gun club). But I also didn't trust that at 200+ yards the round would carry enough energy from that barrel length to kill that animal quickly so i didn't take the shot. Instead I let a buddy know over the radio that it was moving in his direction and about 20mins later he shot it. We were supposed to be meeting up for a drive at abound 10am that morning so I took the 11.5 ar instead of the 16in ar. If i'd have had the 16in I'd probably have shot that buck as well only because I had used the 16in gun and the same ammo to take a doe two years before that at about 180 yards so I felt confident in that set up at that distance.
Stay within your abilities as a shooter, select the proper ammo and put it in a proper spot to make a clean kill and your all good. |
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I just dropped a 250lb boar at 50 yards last night with green tip in my 10.3". One shot drop...its all about where you hit them.
Going out again tonight Pvs 14 , IR laser and WML and thermal scanning is cheating |
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Originally Posted By axeeclipse14: I just dropped a 250lb boar at 50 yards last night with green tip in my 10.3". One shot drop...its all about where you hit them. Going out again tonight Pvs 14 , IR laser and WML and thermal scanning is cheating View Quote Only if your equipment was free. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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IMO Yes. Killed many, many hogs with short barreled 5.56 rifles.
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[#21]
5.56 is fine. 6.5 grendel is much better. 12” grendel is with a 308 suppressor is the perfect hog gun to me.
5.56 is fine for the first hog with proper shot placement, but when the herd of 40 hogs scatter and you start blasting away the 5.56 does not put them down right there. You’ll here the thump of the round hitting so you know they’ll die but you don’t get to admire your work. The grendel of course isn’t 100% on the follow up shots either but a higher number drop or don’t make it far before dropping. |
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