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Posted: 1/9/2021 6:44:48 PM EDT
Check out https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/POLICY-CHANGE-FOR-ARFCOM-Please-Read-and-Comment/5-2412040/?.  

We can argue about whether it’s to protect the revenue stream or not, but look at the events of the last few years.  People have been:

-Doxed (personal information posted online, including address, phone numbers, where children attend school, vehicle description and plates, etc.)
-Employers called and pressured to fire people
-Schools called and pressured to expel students
-Loss of or rescinding of opportunities
-Communication methods (social media platforms) closed
-Harassment at home, workplace, and/or school
-Physical attacks
-As above, but for family members, friends, and other associates

Serious question: What do you see as the best way to prepare for such attacks?  What methods would you use to avoid and, if targeted, blunt the onslaught?
Link Posted: 1/9/2021 6:49:25 PM EDT
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Limit your exposure to the other side, and live your life.
Link Posted: 1/9/2021 6:50:49 PM EDT
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Network locally
Get phone numbers
Real email addresses

Ham radio for the long term

Face to face with people.

I can’t even count the number of people I know that have had social media accounts shut down in the past 6 weeks.
Link Posted: 1/9/2021 7:31:27 PM EDT
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I think this is where the Gray Man concept is important.  Even with a lot of people where I work being conservative to one degree or another, where we use to talk more, I absolutely now avoid anything remotely controversial, have for a long time now.  Nothing on your car, no signs, etc.
Link Posted: 1/9/2021 8:03:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/9/2021 8:18:36 PM EDT
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This.

Its crazy that people allow all these tech communities into their personal lives.

Big tech is the enemy of the people
Link Posted: 1/9/2021 9:57:23 PM EDT
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Yeah, I put a post similar to this in team yesterday. I work in the advertising industry, where conservatives are very few. Because of my industry I'm expected to be social media savvy and while I have the big companies handled, I really don't use them much (save for Facebook, as that's the same point for all family members all over the USA).

I'd love to be on Parler, Rumble, Gab, etc. But man, am I scared that I'd get doxxed and lose my job if the cancel call came. That's a no-go for me.

The consensus in team is just stay away unless you want to go to extreme measures to stay unidentified.

But yeah, I gray man. No branded clothing that's identifiable (i.e Browning shirts sold at Academy, ARF hat & sticker on the car, etc). These days I roll with solid color tees, jeans, nikes and a basic jacket. Even my trusty Maxpedition bag got replaced by my ancient Jansport backpack.

It sucks, but right now being as incognito as I can be is worth it.

I keep seeing things that Trump has some 87-D chess moves coming, but I really feel like it's such a long shot. I've been let down so many times since November, I almost dare not to hope.

It sucks.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 4:16:09 AM EDT
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Think before you type or speak.  If you are about to say something with political emotion, pause for a second.  Is that how you actually feel when considering all the nuances or are you trying to make a point with as much hitting power as possible by oversimplifying?  Is it likely to be taken the wrong way?  If it is an extreme belief that you actually believe in wholeheartedly, who all do you want to hear it?  
I'd advise to limit your most contentious conversations to private means.  It helps people to be more reasonable when they talk to other people rather than screen names.  It also keeps your spoken words from being twisted and used against you by random internet strangers.

Think of the internet as a microphone with speakers to the world.  There are some things people wouldn't shout from the mountaintop.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 8:24:03 AM EDT
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Check out https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/POLICY-CHANGE-FOR-ARFCOM-Please-Read-and-Comment/5-2412040/?.  

We can argue about whether it’s to protect the revenue stream or not, but look at the events of the last few years.  People have been:

-Doxed (personal information posted online, including address, phone numbers, where children attend school, vehicle description and plates, etc.)
Don't care.

-Employers called and pressured to fire people
Ha! Good luck with that.

-Schools called and pressured to expel students
Not my problem.

-Loss of or rescinding of opportunities
Like not being able to buy lottery tickets?

-Communication methods (social media platforms) closed
I've got plenty of porn to keep me busy.

-Harassment at home, workplace, and/or school
Bring it.

-Physical attacks
I'm armed and ready.

-As above, but for family members, friends, and other associates

Serious question: What do you see as the best way to prepare for such attacks?  What methods would you use to avoid and, if targeted, blunt the onslaught?
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Link Posted: 1/10/2021 4:59:52 PM EDT
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This.  I spent an entire military career having to avoid free-speech and voicing my opinion.  Avoid social media, it's not so much what you say or do, it's who has access or tags you in something that will get negative attention.  I posted only once on Facebook in the past year, and it was because a few family and friends said Happy Birthday and my wife said I need to say thank you.  The only reason I have Facebook is for my wife, mostly just vacation pictures for her family.  We made a pact, ZERO posts about politics and strict discipline on OPSEC.  No Twitter, no Instagram, no other on-line presence outside of a handful of forums like ARFCOM, and even here I try to temper my opinions.  

Is this voiding your right to free speech?  Nope, it's tempering how and where you choose to exercise it.  

ROCK6
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 11:26:33 AM EDT
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This.  I spent an entire military career having to avoid free-speech and voicing my opinion.  Avoid social media, it's not so much what you say or do, it's who has access or tags you in something that will get negative attention.  I posted only once on Facebook in the past year, and it was because a few family and friends said Happy Birthday and my wife said I need to say thank you.  The only reason I have Facebook is for my wife, mostly just vacation pictures for her family.  We made a pact, ZERO posts about politics and strict discipline on OPSEC.  No Twitter, no Instagram, no other on-line presence outside of a handful of forums like ARFCOM, and even here I try to temper my opinions.  

Is this voiding your right to free speech?  Nope, it's tempering how and where you choose to exercise it.  

ROCK6
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This.  I spent an entire military career having to avoid free-speech and voicing my opinion.  Avoid social media, it's not so much what you say or do, it's who has access or tags you in something that will get negative attention.  I posted only once on Facebook in the past year, and it was because a few family and friends said Happy Birthday and my wife said I need to say thank you.  The only reason I have Facebook is for my wife, mostly just vacation pictures for her family.  We made a pact, ZERO posts about politics and strict discipline on OPSEC.  No Twitter, no Instagram, no other on-line presence outside of a handful of forums like ARFCOM, and even here I try to temper my opinions.  

Is this voiding your right to free speech?  Nope, it's tempering how and where you choose to exercise it.  

ROCK6

There is some great advice in this thread but a “right” not exercised is a right denied. FBook...and other social media is a very recent and convenient way to communicate but at the cost of your privacy. Many people (Most?) have either not considered the privacy  component important to their life or found the trade off acceptable. When we lived in a benign country it was easy to ignore but now not so much. I’ve been the old man yelling at the clouds for years about it.
Big tech now has enough information to believe they can successfully run this coup.....they might be right. Go dark on them and deny them the info they need to succeed.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 11:34:21 AM EDT
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It's just going to get worse.  Jefferson County WV School Board just gave notice to 30 teachers who attended the rally at the Capitol (no mention of any of them being part of the group who entered the building....simply attended...and mean facebook posts about democrats apparently) to bring legal representation to a board meeting and prepare for termination or disciplinary action.  Cancel culture was weaponized a while ago and it will continue until some stellar lawsuits end up netting folks big money.

https://www.wfmd.com/2021/01/09/teachers-in-jefferson-county-wv-that-attended-rally-at-the-capital-threatened-with-termination/
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There is some great advice in this thread but a “right” not exercised is a right denied. FBook...and other social media is a very recent and convenient way to communicate but at the cost of your privacy. Many people (Most?) have either not considered the privacy  component important to their life or found the trade off acceptable. When we lived in a benign country it was easy to ignore but now not so much. I’ve been the old man yelling at the clouds for years about it.
Big tech now has enough information to believe they can successfully run this coup.....they might be right. Go dark on them and deny them the info they need to succeed.
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There is some great advice in this thread but a “right” not exercised is a right denied. FBook...and other social media is a very recent and convenient way to communicate but at the cost of your privacy. Many people (Most?) have either not considered the privacy  component important to their life or found the trade off acceptable. When we lived in a benign country it was easy to ignore but now not so much. I’ve been the old man yelling at the clouds for years about it.
Big tech now has enough information to believe they can successfully run this coup.....they might be right. Go dark on them and deny them the info they need to succeed.



It's not a denial of your rights. It's enforced compliance to a set of rules yiu agreed to when you setup your membership. These aren't new policies.

You have the right to throw your mother-in-law out of your house if you don't like what she's saying or doing, and these social media aites/apps have the same right. The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to say whatever you feel like saying, wherever you are, without repercussions.


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It's just going to get worse.  Jefferson County WV School Board just gave notice to 30 teachers who attended the rally at the Capitol (no mention of any of them being part of the group who entered the building....simply attended...and mean facebook posts about democrats apparently) to bring legal representation to a board meeting and prepare for termination or disciplinary action.  Cancel culture was weaponized a while ago and it will continue until some stellar lawsuits end up netting folks big money.

https://www.wfmd.com/2021/01/09/teachers-in-jefferson-county-wv-that-attended-rally-at-the-capital-threatened-with-termination/



Again, this has been part of nearly every employer/employee agreement for decades now. If you do something in public that may negatively affect your employer's image, you may face punishment up to, and including, termination.

I'm wearing a polo with my employer's logo on the chest. If I do something stupid on the way home and wind up on the news, I probably won't have to make the drive to work the next morning.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 1:30:10 PM EDT
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It's not a denial of your rights. It's enforced compliance to a set of rules yiu agreed to when you setup your membership. These aren't new policies.

You have the right to throw your mother-in-law out of your house if you don't like what she's saying or doing, and these social media aites/apps have the same right. The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to say whatever you feel like saying, wherever you are, without repercussions.





Again, this has been part of nearly every employer/employee agreement for decades now. If you do something in public that may negatively affect your employer's image, you may face punishment up to, and including, termination.

I'm wearing a polo with my employer's logo on the chest. If I do something stupid on the way home and wind up on the news, I probably won't have to make the drive to work the next morning.
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There is some great advice in this thread but a “right” not exercised is a right denied. FBook...and other social media is a very recent and convenient way to communicate but at the cost of your privacy. Many people (Most?) have either not considered the privacy  component important to their life or found the trade off acceptable. When we lived in a benign country it was easy to ignore but now not so much. I’ve been the old man yelling at the clouds for years about it.
Big tech now has enough information to believe they can successfully run this coup.....they might be right. Go dark on them and deny them the info they need to succeed.



It's not a denial of your rights. It's enforced compliance to a set of rules yiu agreed to when you setup your membership. These aren't new policies.

You have the right to throw your mother-in-law out of your house if you don't like what she's saying or doing, and these social media aites/apps have the same right. The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to say whatever you feel like saying, wherever you are, without repercussions.


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It's just going to get worse.  Jefferson County WV School Board just gave notice to 30 teachers who attended the rally at the Capitol (no mention of any of them being part of the group who entered the building....simply attended...and mean facebook posts about democrats apparently) to bring legal representation to a board meeting and prepare for termination or disciplinary action.  Cancel culture was weaponized a while ago and it will continue until some stellar lawsuits end up netting folks big money.

https://www.wfmd.com/2021/01/09/teachers-in-jefferson-county-wv-that-attended-rally-at-the-capital-threatened-with-termination/



Again, this has been part of nearly every employer/employee agreement for decades now. If you do something in public that may negatively affect your employer's image, you may face punishment up to, and including, termination.

I'm wearing a polo with my employer's logo on the chest. If I do something stupid on the way home and wind up on the news, I probably won't have to make the drive to work the next morning.


This isn't about robbing a gas station on the way home.

Its about political persecution.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 1:38:18 PM EDT
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Here's my reply:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

- Sam Adams, Father of the (first) American Revolution
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It's not a denial of your rights. It's enforced compliance to a set of rules yiu agreed to when you setup your membership. These aren't new policies.

You have the right to throw your mother-in-law out of your house if you don't like what she's saying or doing, and these social media aites/apps have the same right. The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to say whatever you feel like saying, wherever you are, without repercussions.





Again, this has been part of nearly every employer/employee agreement for decades now. If you do something in public that may negatively affect your employer's image, you may face punishment up to, and including, termination.

I'm wearing a polo with my employer's logo on the chest. If I do something stupid on the way home and wind up on the news, I probably won't have to make the drive to work the next morning.
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Completely disagree.

What were forums for open discussion have turned into statist proganda engines and persecution support mechanisms.

The ownership of both forums and computing infrastructure puts these companies in a position to destroy their competition, like they are doing to Parler.

They have special protections that now should be removed so they can be properly sued.

Enough is enough.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 2:01:27 PM EDT
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Completely disagree.

What were forums for open discussion have turned into statist proganda engines and persecution support mechanisms.

The ownership of both forums and computing infrastructure puts these companies in a position to destroy their competition, like they are doing to Parler.

They have special protections that now should be removed so they can be properly sued.

Enough is enough.
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Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

The First Amendment also states: "Congress shall make no law..."

This isn't government intrusion or suppression. It's private companies enforcing the rules governing use of their properties. Anyone signing up for a membership has to click the little "I Accept" box, signifying their acceptance of those rules.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 2:31:42 PM EDT
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Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

The First Amendment also states: "Congress shall make no law..."

This isn't government intrusion or suppression. It's private companies enforcing the rules governing use of their properties. Anyone signing up for a membership has to click the little "I Accept" box, signifying their acceptance of those rules.
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Completely disagree.

What were forums for open discussion have turned into statist proganda engines and persecution support mechanisms.

The ownership of both forums and computing infrastructure puts these companies in a position to destroy their competition, like they are doing to Parler.

They have special protections that now should be removed so they can be properly sued.

Enough is enough.



Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

The First Amendment also states: "Congress shall make no law..."

This isn't government intrusion or suppression. It's private companies enforcing the rules governing use of their properties. Anyone signing up for a membership has to click the little "I Accept" box, signifying their acceptance of those rules.


I don’t think I have ever signed an agreement the said I could not be a republican or conservative....
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This for places you shop from as well as their mailing addresses.

Link Posted: 1/11/2021 4:57:29 PM EDT
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Some are reporting loss of access to ARF already.

Goatboy posts that go daddy is deplatforming ARF
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Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

The First Amendment also states: "Congress shall make no law..."

This isn't government intrusion or suppression. It's private companies enforcing the rules governing use of their properties. Anyone signing up for a membership has to click the little "I Accept" box, signifying their acceptance of those rules.
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Well, perhaps then you'd feel different if cell carriers didn't like your political persuasion and denied you access - you can always go find a different phone carrier.
How about if your electric company turns your power off because they disagree with you? Go find another provider.
I think your health insurance should be cancelled along with your banks accounts because you've said some bad words.

Good luck, in all the cases above you have little chance of changing providers without major risk and cost.  That's why those companies have heavy regulation.

No, these social media companies have created monopolistic, utility-like dependence in the community at large.  They've killed off the competition.  They enjoy Section 230 protection because they say they do not "publish".  It's a lie.  They control what content is shown.  They even control the economic welfare of those in the system based on political leaning.  They are the definition of a monopoly and show all the signs of it in their behavior.

Their rules are ever-changing and designed to weed out conservatives consistently. There is no denying it.

Rescind Section 230 protection for these asswipes
File AntiTrust suits and break them up
File restraint of trade, infringement of first and second amendment rights lawsuits
Get some competition

If we had it your way, we'd all be sitting around boiling in the same pot.  No thanks.

I called  my representatives
I wrote them letters
I demand action
See you in the fkg street

EDIT: oh, wait, can i say "see you in the fkg street"? I mean, am I on a list now?  

Perfect example of how this can of worms opens up.
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Some are reporting loss of access to ARF already.

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S2S - bad link?  it goes generally to the forums page
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Like it or not, significant portions of ARF are going membership only.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 8:15:48 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/11/2021 8:17:54 PM EDT
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Nearly everybody in this forum has more experience with prepping and survival skills than me.  I'm a complete n00b here.

But I'm writing this through AR15-Backup.com.  

This morning, GoDaddy unilaterally removed Arfcom's DNS in an attempt to deplatform / cancel / shut down this entire site.  (Fixed the link offered by @sea2summit to add the backup domain name.  Thank you for the direct link, sir!)  Those of you who denigrated my question about prepping for cancellation are like people who don't prep because "it can't happen to me."

Unfortunately, this IS something we need to add to our preps.  Even if WE aren't the ones getting cancelled, what happens when something or someone we use and rely upon is affected?
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Nearly everybody in this forum has more experience with prepping and survival skills than me.  I'm a complete n00b here.

But I'm writing this through AR15-Backup.com.  

This morning, GoDaddy unilaterally removed Arfcom's DNS in an attempt to deplatform / cancel / shut down this entire site.  (Fixed the link offered by @sea2summit to add the backup domain name.  Thank you for the direct link, sir!)  Those of you who denigrated my question about prepping for cancellation are like people who don't prep because "it can't happen to me."

Unfortunately, this IS something we need to add to our preps.  Even if WE aren't the ones getting cancelled, what happens when something or someone we use and rely upon is affected?
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Sure hope you did not think I was denigrating your post: I think you are spot on.  In fact, Fox announced today that Marriot, JP Morgan, and others are cranking down on accounts.

If you're young and have a family.  Lay low.  Less public, more private.  FTF preferred.  Do your thing to help yourself and those close to you.  You can best help everyone by helping yourself first.

If you're old and have no family... less to lose, more options.

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Grey man is cancel culture to the max.

You are not free to say what you think or feel.

Exactly where they want you, silenced.
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I thought this too. Grey man might be useful for short term survival but does nothing towards effectuation change. Every person has to decide for themselves what their primary objective is.
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Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

The First Amendment also states: "Congress shall make no law..."

This isn't government intrusion or suppression. It's private companies enforcing the rules governing use of their properties. Anyone signing up for a membership has to click the little "I Accept" box, signifying their acceptance of those rules.
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In California people have a wider right to Free Speech from their state constitution than the Federal Constitution provides. Therefore private entities in California can’t restrict free speech in public forums like malls on the terms of their state right to Free Speech. I’d be curious to know if that principle has ever been applied to California based tech companies doing national and international business providing public forums discussion forums.  


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Yeah, I put a post similar to this in team yesterday. I work in the advertising industry, where conservatives are very few. Because of my industry I'm expected to be social media savvy and while I have the big companies handled, I really don't use them much (save for Facebook, as that's the same point for all family members all over the USA).

I'd love to be on Parler, Rumble, Gab, etc. But man, am I scared that I'd get doxxed and lose my job if the cancel call came. That's a no-go for me.

The consensus in team is just stay away unless you want to go to extreme measures to stay unidentified.

But yeah, I gray man. No branded clothing that's identifiable (i.e Browning shirts sold at Academy, ARF hat & sticker on the car, etc). These days I roll with solid color tees, jeans, nikes and a basic jacket. Even my trusty Maxpedition bag got replaced by my ancient Jansport backpack.

It sucks, but right now being as incognito as I can be is worth it.

I keep seeing things that Trump has some 87-D chess moves coming, but I really feel like it's such a long shot. I've been let down so many times since November, I almost dare not to hope.

It sucks.
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Doesn't sound worth it to me.
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Also if you have an Alexa, or other home automation device ditch that shit. They are always listening
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 11:57:23 PM EDT
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It occurs to me that everyone should be more concerned with their own privacy. That was true before the on-line civil war started. It's just more imperative now.

If I go to a peaceful protest and my employer decides that I should be suspended or fired, I'll end up a very rich individual even if I'm wearing my employer's clothing. Lawyers live for crap like that. It's especially true with local governments. Their insurance rates go thru the roof when they start making stupid decisions.

As I often tell people, "A right seldom used is a right easily abused."

Use your 1st Amendment rights along with your 2nd. Just don't be stupid about it.
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It's not a denial of your rights. It's enforced compliance to a set of rules yiu agreed to when you setup your membership. These aren't new policies.

You have the right to throw your mother-in-law out of your house if you don't like what she's saying or doing, and these social media aites/apps have the same right. The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to say whatever you feel like saying, wherever you are, without repercussions.





Again, this has been part of nearly every employer/employee agreement for decades now. If you do something in public that may negatively affect your employer's image, you may face punishment up to, and including, termination.

I'm wearing a polo with my employer's logo on the chest. If I do something stupid on the way home and wind up on the news, I probably won't have to make the drive to work the next morning.
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The folks in the link above weren’t wearing work shirts or ID badges. They were doxed by the left to the school board.
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Well, perhaps then you'd feel different if cell carriers didn't like your political persuasion and denied you access - you can always go find a different phone carrier.
How about if your electric company turns your power off because they disagree with you? Go find another provider.
I think your health insurance should be cancelled along with your banks accounts because you've said some bad words.

Good luck, in all the cases above you have little chance of changing providers without major risk and cost.  That's why those companies have heavy regulation.

No, these social media companies have created monopolistic, utility-like dependence in the community at large.  They've killed off the competition.  They enjoy Section 230 protection because they say they do not "publish".  It's a lie.  They control what content is shown.  They even control the economic welfare of those in the system based on political leaning.  They are the definition of a monopoly and show all the signs of it in their behavior.

Their rules are ever-changing and designed to weed out conservatives consistently. There is no denying it.

Rescind Section 230 protection for these asswipes
File AntiTrust suits and break them up
File restraint of trade, infringement of first and second amendment rights lawsuits
Get some competition

If we had it your way, we'd all be sitting around boiling in the same pot.  No thanks.

I called  my representatives
I wrote them letters
I demand action
See you in the fkg street

EDIT: oh, wait, can i say "see you in the fkg street"? I mean, am I on a list now?  

Perfect example of how this can of worms opens up.
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Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

The First Amendment also states: "Congress shall make no law..."

This isn't government intrusion or suppression. It's private companies enforcing the rules governing use of their properties. Anyone signing up for a membership has to click the little "I Accept" box, signifying their acceptance of those rules.


Well, perhaps then you'd feel different if cell carriers didn't like your political persuasion and denied you access - you can always go find a different phone carrier.
How about if your electric company turns your power off because they disagree with you? Go find another provider.
I think your health insurance should be cancelled along with your banks accounts because you've said some bad words.

Good luck, in all the cases above you have little chance of changing providers without major risk and cost.  That's why those companies have heavy regulation.

No, these social media companies have created monopolistic, utility-like dependence in the community at large.  They've killed off the competition.  They enjoy Section 230 protection because they say they do not "publish".  It's a lie.  They control what content is shown.  They even control the economic welfare of those in the system based on political leaning.  They are the definition of a monopoly and show all the signs of it in their behavior.

Their rules are ever-changing and designed to weed out conservatives consistently. There is no denying it.

Rescind Section 230 protection for these asswipes
File AntiTrust suits and break them up
File restraint of trade, infringement of first and second amendment rights lawsuits
Get some competition

If we had it your way, we'd all be sitting around boiling in the same pot.  No thanks.

I called  my representatives
I wrote them letters
I demand action
See you in the fkg street

EDIT: oh, wait, can i say "see you in the fkg street"? I mean, am I on a list now?  

Perfect example of how this can of worms opens up.


Well said.  Remove all their govt protections and force them operate by the same rules everyone else does.
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Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

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And when the social media companies agreed to benefit from the Section 230 protections against lawsuits, they entered into a contract to allow all speech that doesn't rise to the level of "Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity."

They've gone far beyond that.  In fact, they redefine those terms to suit their political agenda.  And it is an agenda.
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Also if you have an Alexa, or other home automation device ditch that shit. They are always listening
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What about the voice assist button on my Roku TV remote?  Is it always on?

I noticed Alexa included in a new laptop I'm prepping for a new employee.  Camera on, mic on.
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Grey man is cancel culture to the max.

You are not free to say what you think or feel.

Exactly where they want you, silenced.
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This
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This.  I spent an entire military career having to avoid free-speech and voicing my opinion.  Avoid social media, it's not so much what you say or do, it's who has access or tags you in something that will get negative attention.  I posted only once on Facebook in the past year, and it was because a few family and friends said Happy Birthday and my wife said I need to say thank you.  The only reason I have Facebook is for my wife, mostly just vacation pictures for her family.  We made a pact, ZERO posts about politics and strict discipline on OPSEC.  No Twitter, no Instagram, no other on-line presence outside of a handful of forums like ARFCOM, and even here I try to temper my opinions.  

Is this voiding your right to free speech?  Nope, it's tempering how and where you choose to exercise it.  

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No offense, but this is exactly why I don't have confidence that our military will NOT act as enforcers to take away American's freedoms.

Your post, summarized: "I didn't get to practice free speech in the military. I still don't practice it now. Its not so bad. You really don't even need it."
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And when the social media companies agreed to benefit from the Section 230 protections against lawsuits, they entered into a contract to allow all speech that doesn't rise to the level of "Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity."

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I'm not disputing whether or not AWS is a leftist company or whether or not their beliefs drive their actions. What i am saying is this: Parler was warned on several occasions prior to being shut down that their users were posting content that was in direct violation of the agreement they had with AWS. Parler chose not to address these issues and AWS pulled the plug.

I don't care which side of the aisle you're on, openly promoting the kidnapping or execution of elected officials, advocating the overthrow of the US Government, and plotting terroristic activities are not considered "free speech" and are not tolerated on any site or hosting service I've ever seen or heard of.

Take a good look at your contract with your ISP and/or your user agreement. Your provider the right to terminate your service for posting such content, and you agreed to those terms when you signed up for service. It's the same for Parler and AWS.

ARFcom has a CoC that we all agree to abide by. When/if we violate it, mods/admins pull the plug on our account.
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changing your email away from gmail and your browser away from google along with removing the facebook app from your phone eliminates a lot of issues.
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Geez guys!  You know how long I lasted on the DU?  One day.  The net is not real life, never has been and anything you post out here, anything, can be seen by others and used against you.  

I've been on the net well since before there was a net.  What I can tell you is don't put anything out there, you wouldn't mind being seen in your local newspaper.  Its happened to me, more than once.  

Now for a little about me to address the current political climate.  I'm not the type guy who will say anything to anyone I won't to their face.  In fact, I just quit riding with a guy who after five years of motorcycles started trolling me on the net but, oh no, not to my face.  You see I got this hard learned rule.  Don't hang with chickenshits.  They'll get you in trouble every time and nothing scares me more than a chickenshit with a gun.  Its not my job nor is it wise to try to educate idiots.  In fact, its an impossible task that only leads to real problems and I damn sure don't want to hurt someone and go to jail because they're an idiot.  

Now this said, I am who I am, worked hard all my life, served my country,  paid taxes, married and lived (still am) with one girl, and raised a family, if I'm the type person they are after, well its that time if you know what I mean.  

Years ago when I was a student, I was fascinated by the NAZI concentration camps and death camps.  Just how could a people come to that and how could a people allow such a thing to happen?  Now I could go into socialism and how the war on Jews was really about wealth redistribution but ultimately the bottom line was it happened because the people, out of whatever reason, kept their mouths shut.  I thought back then, this couldn't happen here because we are a nation of Nathan Hales.  Well here we are fellas, the cancel culture, which is no more than intimidate us to keep us, the people, inline, to shut us up.

Yes its sad, a bunch of folks out there are into the old saying "I wasn't so I didn't then when they came for me"  but like I have posted, there isn't anything I can do about idiots except say one time "Its this way".  

I was a soldier once an anti-war protestor that joined and volunteered and now I'm just days away from being 67, retired, my body a wreck, but I can tell you this.  I won't be walking silently into the cattle car.  

Did you see during the DC demonstration the four or five police officers that cleared the inauguration bench?  It was quite remarkable.  They simply told them "Not safe move along" and not a blow was thrown. Believe what you see not what you hear on TV.  At least half the shit that happened during the Vietnam War, I read accounts now and I was there and know its BS.  The pinheads on TV think they are in charge. They never have been in charge of this country, not the British and not congress or the media now.  Those elected pinheads with a 11% approval rating are not our country.  They're our government a necessary evil.  The people are our country, always have been.  

Yes, we're in for hard times.  It was the same shit during the Vietnam War.  Its just time to Nathan Hale up again.  Like before, there's too damn many of us.  

Read an interesting news story the other day.  TN, my state, is the number one state in the US right now for dropped off U-Hauls.  Now read between the lines?  TN is a conservative state, no income tax, low cost of living, balanced budget amendment state, gun rights, no mail out ballots to dead people, and no overbearing Covid regulations and what ones we had the politicians are in court.  People are doing something.  Those with the means are leaving those blue hells fast as they can.  They're uprooting their lives, leaving family and friends.  The least we can do is when someone is pissing down our backs and telling us its raining is say "No its not".

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Amen
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Unless they are doing it in favor of one political party to affect another political party.  I think much of the frustration is how FB specifically, monetized it's platform and then arbitrarily targets certain customers while ignoring similar conduct from the other side.  They have become a publisher and now own the content they choose to display (or cancel)...unfortunately, they won't be held accountable let alone called out on it.  

The fact as is, these platforms are private but they have unfettered power to do pretty much whatever they want and essentially have government protections.  The government will not do anything (nor should they in practice), but the challenge is that the biggest threat, "competition" and how consumers spend their money is being denied when they monopolize their platforms and literally cripple or kill their competition.  Now, it's an serious issue.  That's our strategy and it won't be easy with their government-protected monopoly, but carving out and fighting for an alternative pulling revenue away is how your attack them.  

ROCK6
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Unless they are doing it in favor of one political party to affect another political party.  I think much of the frustration is how FB specifically, monetized it's platform and then arbitrarily targets certain customers while ignoring similar conduct from the other side.  They have become a publisher and now own the content they choose to display (or cancel)...unfortunately, they won't be held accountable let alone called out on it.  

The fact as is, these platforms are private but they have unfettered power to do pretty much whatever they want and essentially have government protections.  The government will not do anything (nor should they in practice), but the challenge is that the biggest threat, "competition" and how consumers spend their money is being denied when they monopolize their platforms and literally cripple or kill their competition.  Now, it's an serious issue.  That's our strategy and it won't be easy with their government-protected monopoly, but carving out and fighting for an alternative pulling revenue away is how your attack them.  

ROCK6
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Their platform their rules. ARF taught me this.
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No offense, but this is exactly why I don't have confidence that our military will NOT act as enforcers to take away American's freedoms.

Your post, summarized: "I didn't get to practice free speech in the military. I still don't practice it now. Its not so bad. You really don't even need it."
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Well, yeah, that's could be perceived as offensive if I cared, but I don't.  Your summary is your opinion and that's fine, but that's not what I said.  You have to understand your environment if you choose such an occupation; it doesn't matter where.  You don't have to choose such occupations which is ultimately the best option, but it's not always the choice of everyone...it is what it is.  But your summary is based on ignorance.  

I did and still take that Oath very seriously, but understanding the triggers in which you exercise it is the challenge.  

Part of exercising your free speech comes with the wisdom of how, what, and when you exercise it.  Many don't understand that.  Diarrhea of the mouth may be your right, but then most bitch about the consequences when they're oblivious to the the impact of what they said.  

I do find it ironic that those who bitch about .mil and LEO's not "enforcing" what they think are Constitutional violations yet simply sit on their fat ass and only use their "free speech" to bitch about it. They don't vote regularly, they don't support conservative candidates, they don't volunteer for events that support the Constitution, etc. but they want someone else to do the fighting for them.  I've spent almost 30 years defending your freedoms, what the fuck have you done with it?  That's my question to you.  Your freedoms are the same as mine, they are all important to me enough that I'm at least willing to put my life on the line for them.  

What I had to do in uniform had restrictions.  But under no circumstance was I enslaved to the idea of executing an illegal, immoral, or unethical order.  Not once in my career did I support any action that would have violated the Constitution and on the two instances that I felt there were Constitutional violations, I personally addressed and reported it through the proper channels.  My Oath was, and is, only to the Constitution.  At least I did something about it, it just may not be the fantastical suicide charge up the last hill you think represents our freedoms.

Again, understand your environment.  Some "free speech" is prohibited when in uniform and standards of conduct apply when not in uniform.  Good order and discipline are for a reason in the military and that was my point.

Hopefully that didn't offend you.  I do agree with you though on the fear of the military or even law enforcement losing their understanding of their Oath to the Constitution, what it really means, and how that applies to their personal choices and responsibilities.  We have elected officials and even courts who simply ignore their Oath; it's a dangerous precedent that will (and has) filtered down through the ranks.  There are those in the military I work with now and I don't trust them.  Just because someone wears a uniform and took an Oath, don't assume they're your defenders.

The Army (and I would assume the other services as well) are a cross-section of America.  Just as we are basically split 50/50 ideologically in our last election, the Army is likely a similar demographic.  That underscores your fear and opinion, but the reality is Army leaders will do everything they can to avoid military actions on American soil.  If ordered to do so, there would be a lot of resignations and AWOLs; there will also be a lot of trooper doing want they're ordered to do without regard to their Oath.  I'm with the former...summations are generalized and defenders of freedom are no longer institutions, they're individuals and that's the reality we need to accept for the near future.

ROCK6
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It only takes one person to "report" you.
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I can't stop it from happening, but I can make it a lot more exciting for all involved.
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Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

The First Amendment also states: "Congress shall make no law..."

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Completely disagree.

What were forums for open discussion have turned into statist proganda engines and persecution support mechanisms.

The ownership of both forums and computing infrastructure puts these companies in a position to destroy their competition, like they are doing to Parler.

They have special protections that now should be removed so they can be properly sued.

Enough is enough.



Speech that incites lawless action, speech integral to illegal conduct, false statements of fact, threatening speech, obscenity, etc are not "protected speech", and have no First Amendment protection.

The First Amendment also states: "Congress shall make no law..."

This isn't government intrusion or suppression. It's private companies enforcing the rules governing use of their properties. Anyone signing up for a membership has to click the little "I Accept" box, signifying their acceptance of those rules.


Nope. “Mere incitement” has been protected since 1969.

“Incitement” isn’t enough. There must be both intent to incite IMMINENT unlawful action AND a likelihood that such action would be produced by the speech.

You can incite all day long, as long as the imminence and likeliness isn’t there, it’s protected.
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That I can't speak conclusively on, but I generally avoid smart devices with network connections. Buying a TV was a PITA given that just about everything is "smart" or integrated with a home speaker. My main concern is amazon echo dots, google nest, and so on. They record conversations and automatically upload them to Amazon or Google. The companies claim only the conversation triggered by the activation word are recorded and uploaded, but I have seen evidence to suggest otherwise
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