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I'll ask her when she gets up. For the tractor, do you want/need a tractor or a skidsteer? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good luck! Best advice: be your own realtor. You need to search at least a couple times a week for properties. Be pre approved so you can jump on the opportunity when it comes up, because everybody else is ready to. Foreclosures can also be found, but they don't tend to be pushed by Realtors. I can get the scoop on where to look for them from the Mrs if you like. Foreclosures can provide for great deals if you are willing to invest some money and sweat equity into the property. What is your tractor situation? My tractor situation is yes, I want a tractor For the tractor, do you want/need a tractor or a skidsteer? |
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Quoted: Well, I've always wanted a Ford NAA or something along those lines, but I've also not done enough research into tractors to know if that would actually jive with what I would want it to do. View Quote The 3 point lift is 800 pounds. For perspective, my 316 garden tractor can lift about 650 pounds at the 3 point. The hydraulic system is anemic in pump flow, but adequate in pressure. Both the PTO and hydraulic system are live, but the manual transmission will ENSURE that any However, the tractor will perform tractor chores good enough. I'm partial to hydrostatic for small equipment myself, and this particular transmission requires stopping fully to shift gears (no shifting on the fly like a a pickup truck). But again, do you need a tractor for what you are going to do, or a skidsteer? What do you really plan on doing? |
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OK, for looking for foreclosures, pointers from Mrs Rat:
There are a LOT of scam sites out there. Call the number, and if they want money or otherwise seem odd, drop it. The houses aren't really for sale. They are trying to get people to put money down before they see them, otherwise you would miss out on the property. ALL foreclosures WILL be sold through either a regular auction company OR a realtor. The realtor that sold our property was based out of the Twin Cities (very far from us) and handled foreclosures all over the place. They specialized in JUST foreclosures actually. REMAX is a good site she says to keep an eye on, but they may not have all the pics/info. Don't be afraid to leave your info at a realtor with a property your interested in. Sometimes things fall through and they know to call you. That is how we got our property! They are foreclosed on for a reason, so check the place out VERY WELL in addition to a quality inspector (you will pay for this out of pocket, DO NOT USE the inspector the realtor has "lined up"). They may have been upside down on the mortgage and there are no real issues, but most folks with a brain would sell the property for cheap enough to make a quick sale and pay off the mortgage than have a foreclosure on their record, assuming the property was salable. Most of them are sold "as is", which means you need to do some legwork and check out the septic compliance state, the well, any other permits, etc., in ADDITION to any structural issues. Again, DO NOT TRUST the "inspection" from the realtor. Hire your own. Our property was sold dirt cheap because the realtor's inspector was worthless. Worked out good for us, but most of the time there will be "nothing of note" wrong, because they have a vested interest in making the sale and keeping their boss (the realtor) happy. |
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What do you really plan on doing? View Quote This has all been some far-off pipe dream for me up until a couple months ago. I think my ideal is to be transported back to the days of the Homestead Act, but failing that... I'd like to have enough space for some goats, chickens/ducks, maybe a cow and/or steer down the line. Bees. Enough space to plant a decent amount to at least provide most of our vegetable needs. Ultimately, I'd like to be as self-sufficient as possible, along with potential for some supplementary income from farm products of some sort. |
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And what is your tractor budget, if you don't mind me asking?
Everything except the garden screams skidsteer IMHO, and I would not use a full size field tractor in a garden myself. Too much compaction. Big tractor means big compaction which means deeper plowing, which means destroying the soil that much more, etc. I think a little bigger than my 316 like an older 420 (or newer equivalent) is a great size, providing your soil conditions accept that size. But I like as little of equipment in the garden as possible. Others have other opinions. And it all depends what you want to grow too, and how much ground clearance you need. A JD 2025 would be awesome. A JD 790 4x4 is on my bucket list |
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Not trying to plug my own vids (I don't make money on my YT channel, its too small), but on my YouTube channel this year I will be rebuilding pretty much my entire operation since I destroyed it all from construction. You may get some ideas that you like, some ideas you don't like. Its all small acreage stuff. I'd think you would be surprised how much stuff I shove onto my property.
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And what is your tractor budget, if you don't mind me asking? Everything except the garden screams skidsteer IMHO, and I would not use a full size field tractor in a garden myself. Too much compaction. Big tractor means big compaction which means deeper plowing, which means destroying the soil that much more, etc. I think a little bigger than my 316 like an older 420 (or newer equivalent) is a great size, providing your soil conditions accept that size. But I like as little of equipment in the garden as possible. Others have other opinions. And it all depends what you want to grow too, and how much ground clearance you need. A JD 2025 would be awesome. A JD 790 4x4 is on my bucket list View Quote |
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$5k would be a bit tight.
You could look for an older compact utility tractor that would sort of do it all. But like any multi-tool, it may not do everything well. Whatever you do, you practically have to have a loader. I would say being able to lift 500-600 pounds MINIMUM is what you should aim for. You can take smaller bits of big projects, but still get stuff done. Smaller than that will take you so long to do so many things that. I don't want to say it would be worthless, but it would be at a frustratingly slow pace. Also lift height. If you can't load/unload from the back of the pickup, its utility is dramatically lower. |
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Is your driveway gravel? Don't underestimate the cost of maintaining that thing. "Lordy Mercy" as my grandmother would have said, gravel is not cheap, at least here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: With 1500 feet of driveway, there's going to be a tractor in my future regardless (and it's a good excuse to buy a tractor) I think you nailed what my current goal would be, with your "woods and three clear acres" assessment. While I have a ton of interest, I don't have any background in farming and, though I'd love to have a half-section to myself, wouldn't know where to begin if I just jumped straight into large-scale farming. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, the goal would be to obtain more acreage, but it seems to me that it would be smart to dip my toe into things before going whole-hog. Being self-sufficient would be great, and might even be the long-term goal, but it wouldn't be an immediate reality even if I did have the available land. Don't underestimate the cost of maintaining that thing. "Lordy Mercy" as my grandmother would have said, gravel is not cheap, at least here. 15 tons of clean washed stone here is usually $500. I cut a deal with my last guy because I was buying so much. I'll probably use him again when I do the pad behind the barn, because that's another 80-100 tons. |
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We decided to pass on the seven-acre place. The surrounding acreage is part of the inheritance of the son of the current owners, so there's no guarantee that it would theoretically be available even twenty years from now, and after spending some additional time walking around outside, a lot of the property is really wet. So, the search continues. I think this is now the Puck's Quest for a Homestead thread ETA: Yep, it is. View Quote |
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Quoted: I'd sure appreciate that. My tractor situation is yes, I want a tractor View Quote It might be worth reading. I fall on the side of tractor because I think you need not only FEL capabilities, but also regular backhoe and (more traditional tractor-style) tillage capabilities for the kind of lifestyle you are after. But Rat has a lot to offer on the side of the skidsteer. I think the skidsteer is more the tool of the larger farm Usually, in particular when the need to daily scoop manure and clean stalls/barns/feedlot areas is an issue, and I think Rat is good with them because that's his background. (Sorry Rat_Patrol ) |
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Also to say: don't get a foreclosure unless you are willing to buy a tractor/ loader or skidsteer right away. You will need one or the other to get anything done. Not saying either either one has to be huge, look at the little equipment I run. Smaller (cheaper to fix and maintain) equipment just takes smaller bites. View Quote |
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Quoted: Puck, there was a thread just recently where the tractor vs skidsteer issue was bandied about and beaten nearly to death. It might be worth reading. I fall on the side of tractor because I think you need not only FEL capabilities, but also regular backhoe and (more traditional tractor-style) tillage capabilities for the kind of lifestyle you are after. But Rat has a lot to offer on the side of the skidsteer. I think the skidsteer is more the tool of the larger farm Usually, in particular when the need to daily scoop manure and clean stalls/barns/feedlot areas is an issue, and I think Rat is good with them because that's his background. (Sorry Rat_Patrol ) View Quote I say it's best to have both, but we all have a budget. The love of skidsteer is all about your knowledge of attachments Plus, I've been running them since I was 10... |
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I am by no means an expert on anything, but I pretty much agree with Rat Patrol on everything. If you get a tractor a bucket is necessary. I honestly don't know of any advantages a bucket less tractor has over a skid steer beyond PTO attachments. Also like he said, you want height to pick stuff up off the back of a pick up, and the ability to pick up several hundred pounds. At some point you'll probably be thankful your tractor is able to pick up that round bale or pallet of sweet feed or concrete off your truck.
Skid steers are definitely awesome, I haven't gotten to spend near as much time operating one as I'd like, but they're an awesome tool that I'll hopefully one day own. |
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Welp...
We found a place a bit north of the others we'd looked at. 2,000+ sq ft house, machine shed, BIG chicken coop, on 12 acres, mostly tillable. Just submitted an offer this afternoon |
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Welp... We found a place a bit north of the others we'd looked at. 2,000+ sq ft house, machine shed, BIG chicken coop, on 12 acres, mostly tillable. Just submitted an offer this afternoon View Quote |
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Yeah, the one for 300k+. It looked like a niiice setup. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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And the search (or at least the wait) continues...
We offered about 92% of their asking price. Their counter was asking price and they cover 50% of closing With a massive snowstorm over the weekend and the fact that they've had a bunch of showings with no other offers, we said no and are biding our time to see if the place sells this week. If not, we're going to touch base again next week and see if they're actually in a negotiating mood yet. I'm ready to be done looking |
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And the search (or at least the wait) continues... We offered about 92% of their asking price. Their counter was asking price and they cover 50% of closing With a massive snowstorm over the weekend and the fact that they've had a bunch of showings with no other offers, we said no and are biding our time to see if the place sells this week. If not, we're going to touch base again next week and see if they're actually in a negotiating mood yet. I'm ready to be done looking View Quote |
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I don't disagree at all, but we're already offering close to the maximum I'm willing to spend, and I'm not going to go above that right now.
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Yeah, its a seller's market right now.
Too bad work is so hard to find up there, but St. Cloud and north to Canada you can get a LOT of hobby farm for relatively little money. |
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Yeah, its a seller's market right now. Too bad work is so hard to find up there, but St. Cloud and north to Canada you can get a LOT of hobby farm for relatively little money. View Quote That place still hasn't had any other offers, so we'll see what happens. We're also going to take a look at a couple other places this weekend -- one of which is on 45 acres |
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Quoted: That's (all) for damned sure. That place still hasn't had any other offers, so we'll see what happens. We're also going to take a look at a couple other places this weekend -- one of which is on 45 acres View Quote The place for you will end up being yours. Sometimes the candy in the back is better, and you have to move the pile to get to it. |
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Weeeeeeeeell... we're starting out small, but we're going to be starting. Offer was accepted today on a house on five acres. We should be closing in mid-June.
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Weeeeeeeeell... we're starting out small, but we're going to be starting. Offer was accepted today on a house on five acres. We should be closing in mid-June. View Quote Five acres is really fine. You can do more on that than you probably have time to do. I'm just sayin. |
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Quoted: WOOOOT!!!! Five acres is really fine. You can do more on that than you probably have time to do. I'm just sayin. View Quote And it's five acres surrounded by 170 acres of cropland, so I'm figuring I could probably buy off a smallish chunk of that at some point down the road, if I were so inclined. |
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Quoted: You're probably right, and I figure if nothing else, it's a damned better place to start off than in the middle of the city. And it's five acres surrounded by 170 acres of cropland, so I'm figuring I could probably buy off a smallish chunk of that at some point down the road, if I were so inclined. View Quote |
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You're probably right, and I figure if nothing else, it's a damned better place to start off than in the middle of the city. And it's five acres surrounded by 170 acres of cropland, so I'm figuring I could probably buy off a smallish chunk of that at some point down the road, if I were so inclined. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: WOOOOT!!!! Five acres is really fine. You can do more on that than you probably have time to do. I'm just sayin. And it's five acres surrounded by 170 acres of cropland, so I'm figuring I could probably buy off a smallish chunk of that at some point down the road, if I were so inclined. Yes, you can do a LOT of homestead stuff on 5 usable acres. But for now the important question: tractor or skidsteer first |
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Quoted: But for now the important question: tractor or skidsteer first Love my skidsteer, but if you have to choose one, painful as it is for me to say, almost has to be a compact tractor/loader. A skidsteer, essentially, is just a more efficient loader. |
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Does the property have a lot of work (construction/cleanup/landscaping) to do before its ready, or is it fairly turn-key? Love my skidsteer, but if you have to choose one, painful as it is for me to say, almost has to be a compact tractor/loader. A skidsteer, essentially, is just a more efficient loader. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Does the property have a lot of work (construction/cleanup/landscaping) to do before its ready, or is it fairly turn-key? Love my skidsteer, but if you have to choose one, painful as it is for me to say, almost has to be a compact tractor/loader. A skidsteer, essentially, is just a more efficient loader. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I love the bobcat we have on our farm, but for general work, a tractor with loader is far and away better. It can lift many times the weight of general dirt and debris, and can handle uneven ground better. In addition, if you ever decide to cultivate or mow your land, a skidsteer is worthless. Not to mention how much faster tractors are. View Quote When our house was moved in, they had a tracked skidsteer out here that could lift 8k pounds!!!!! It was no bigger (physically) than our New Holland at the farm that can lift about 4500 pounds. |
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That is very subjective. It all depends on what kind of skidsteer you have and what tractor/loader you are comparing it with. When our house was moved in, they had a tracked skidsteer out here that could lift 8k pounds!!!!! It was no bigger (physically) than our New Holland at the farm that can lift about 4500 pounds. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I love the bobcat we have on our farm, but for general work, a tractor with loader is far and away better. It can lift many times the weight of general dirt and debris, and can handle uneven ground better. In addition, if you ever decide to cultivate or mow your land, a skidsteer is worthless. Not to mention how much faster tractors are. When our house was moved in, they had a tracked skidsteer out here that could lift 8k pounds!!!!! It was no bigger (physically) than our New Holland at the farm that can lift about 4500 pounds. Like I said, I Love our Bobcat with a capital L. But it has substantial limitations. |
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So, with a tractor being the likely versatile candidate... what are some things I should keep in mind for tractor consideration?
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So, with a tractor being the likely versatile candidate... what are some things I should keep in mind for tractor consideration? View Quote I can point you to a good one in PM if you want John Deere. I would go hydrostatic or nothing. Nobody wants to be doing loader work with a manual transmission. I was just looking at a Mahindra in Maple Lake (where I brought my Honda engine after it started smoking), and they had some interesting points that made them a very attractive alternative to JD & Kubota for me. Make sure your tractor has ROPS, especially if you are new to operating them. ETA: I'm assuming you are getting a new, or close to new 25ish HP compact tractor. Which is what you want. Don't get sucked into an old Ford or something, you will only be disappointed. And while I'm editing: rear PTO and hydraulics (pretty much a standard, but make sure it has them as they can be "optional"), and "class 1" 3 point as a minimum. You will end up wanting quick attach later, so keep that in mind. Also, you should go for a quick attach bucket on the loader and get yourself a set of pallet forks and grapple bucket (either bucket or manure fork style) right away. You will thank me later. |
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So, with a tractor being the likely versatile candidate... what are some things I should keep in mind for tractor consideration? View Quote I think you are going to be a little more like "me and my property" than some of the other folks here, but I could be wrong about that. I can't imagine you're going to be doing MUCH more on 5 acres than @Ar-jedi does on his property (his property is less than that, from my observation, but he's more demanding with heavy loads on a regular basis than I think you will be, so that may kind of even out.) Property maintenance is something he does a lot of, as does @cuttingedge and others on the forum. I'm sure you've read the tractor threads. Ar-jedi's threads are worth a look, to see all that he has done with his tractor. I would agree, having grown up on a farm and still living in farm country, that dealer support is worth more than damn near anything else with any larger piece of equipment. It will break. Help should be nearby and you should like them enough to not hate giving them your money, because you will be doing some of that. |
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