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This thread is a great source of info and how to. (any chance it could get tacked?) So here are my problems. 1) I live in an area that has a ton of hunters. So just off hand, I'm thinking at least a shotgun in every house. About the only one I could count on is 1 neighbor. This guy is motivated. He has a wife and 2 teenage daughters. So I know he wont just roll over when zombies come knocking. The others will show up when they think they can get some help for themselves, and the hell with the dirty work.  Like a lot of people I guess.  2) There's a street 30 feet up the road, and a friggin highway out front. How do you control something like this? FWIW I'm about 20 minutes from a big Nat'l Guard base. So I would guess they'll be on the road a lot. And another road that merges about 50 yrds down the road from me. Again, the number of people who will come together for the common good can be counted on one hand. The number of possible looters in the area.... From what I can see after dealing with these clowns, they'll want to sit around waiting for someone to lead them by the paw and make everything better. 'The govt wont just let things get out of control! Ft XXXX is just up the road, and they'll take care of us/things'. If my brothers would head up my way it would be different. But I'm not sure they'd be willing to abandon their own homes. Things would really have to go south for that. After everything settles down, they still have to pay the mortgage and pay more to fix whatever got trashed. That's asking a lot of someone. Man, I need to move...
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If you've missed it, I have a blog up that will - in time - contain everything here and a lot more. www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/ There's a discussion thread for it in this forum.
I'll bet you a paycheck, though, that none of those people has more than 50 rounds of ammo - and most of it won't be the right kind anyway. Almost everyone in my neighborhood who considers themself a hunter just buys a box when they go hunting and that's all they have on hand...
I'm having a hard time visualizing that. Can you draw it or take some photos?
Either that or fire the neighbors up early. Shane |
I bookmarked it! 
If its all the same to you, I'd rather not take that bet. The good neighbor has some firearms, but his wife doesn't like them. Why I don't know. It isn't like she's never seen one before. I knew her brother, and he was hunter as is/was her dad. And the bad thing is, even in the area I'm at, a lot of people only bother going to the range right before hunting season.  On the other hand, I have a problem keeping ammo since I like going to the range. A little too much.  A buddy of mine would make a great neighbor, all bolt actions but damn that guy can shoot. Another reloader, this guy hasn't bought factory ammo in close to 25 years.
Ok, I used google earth, and now photobucket just has to resend my login info... 
I'm not sure I can. The people on the other side won't even respond to 'hello'. This is after living there almost a year. The good neighbor and myself were talking, more than once, about just moving some place like TN. Just buy some land, even if we have to go half's on it, and build houses down there. Some place where we can friends to all mankind. Or at least the ones who don't trespass. And, in his case, don't come sniffing around his daughters.  |
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I live in South Florida..... have my whole life except for the few times I've wondered across the state. I went through Andrew and every other storm that has hit. I was but a pup when Andrew came but I remember that storm like it was yesterday. We prepped all right. My old man had me in my overalls with rain boots and said if shit happens we're booking it to the station. My father was at the time a active police officer. We wasn't at the station because of me (I was eight years old at the time and lived with my father). After the storm passed he went to work and my grandparents watched me. I remember having two large 50-100ft pine trees in the front yard. After Andrew they were three blocks down the street. My old man gave me my .22LR and said go hunt for game if you can. This was in the middle of Kendall (South Miami-Dade County, twenty minutes north of Homestead). I would pick off tree rat, rock dove, etc... skin them and my grandmother would roast them for me. At the time I didn't understand why but my old man didn't want me to go into the canned goods. He wanted to save those for as long as possible. It was like that for a good two to three weeks. After that society started getting normal again. As an adult now when Katrina, and Rita hit they were push overs. Nothing much here. Just a couple of branches and no power for a couple of days. We got them when they were starting. I wasn't in South Florida when we got Hurricane after Hurricane... I was in Monticello, Florida. As for Wilma, I was in North Miami Dade County for that one. Luckly I've known my neighbors for a long time.... I've lived in the same house for the last 15 years. They've known me since I was a kid. I had all the proper stocks. 100 gallons of water, three weeks worth of canned food, a good shotgun, pistol and rifle, gasoline for the trucks, and lastly a bunch of rope, chain, tarp. A lot of trees were knocked down. After the storm the entire block came out and got to work. With nothing but axes and machetes we cleared the streets. We didn't suffer any flooding (thank god that my area is great in terms of drainage and also the ground itself just sucks up water like crack). As for the neighbor hood itself. Miami-Dade County PD placed a curfew after 8pm till 7am. But no one followed it at all. Everyone stood in lines at the few open gas stations. Gas was in short supply and only a few stations were open because they had generators running the pumps. Both MDPD and Hialeah PD posted officers at the working stations. Lines were about a hour to two hour wait. I had plenty of gas but I went along with my friends to ride shotgun and provide security. I was the only one out of the group that has a CCW and even though the PD was around.... Miami Lakes is right next to Miami Gardens and Opa-Locka which are 100% ghettos. No issues happened. There were a couple of fights at the pumps but the LEOs on scene solved that. I could not get involved because I was still in the academy but it was shut down because the college were shut down. As for the neighborhood. All of my neighbors are anti-gun liberals. Yet the moment Wilma came they came straight towards my house because they know that my old man and I are collectors and also that my old man was a retired officer. The only other neighbor that would fight back the zombies if came was my friend. He had no firearms but I did lend him one of my Remington 870s just in case.... I know he can fight with one and that he's good with it. We had cooperation among the neighbors in terms of cleaning up and helping each other work around our houses but nothing with security. They excepted that nothing bad would happen and that the PD would come to the rescue. Strange that only myself and my father remember what chaos is like. Hurricane Andrew gave us that mindset and me learning about it also did. I was a kid then but I remember the wild nights.... |
Don't feel too bad, the Zombies may fill up on your neighbors first so you'll only have fattened slowed Zombies to contend with. |
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I just put a good page up in the blog. No shooting, but I think ya'll would like Mr. Fournier if you ever met him. www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/p/0080.html Shane |
You must *really* be hard up for entertainment...  There are plenty of naked pictures of me on the internet already... Not so much during Katrina...but a few... Shane |
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I have a story to share about Katrina. It didn't happen to me, but a friend of mine. He was at Keesler AFB doing some training when it hit. He wasn't allowed to return back to Tyndall AFB (Panama City, FL) where we were stationed to tend to his family. Anyways, he was wrangled up with a bunch of military newbies, and required to hole it out in a training building with a bunch of little airmen, privates, all the way up to the general. (He is an Tech in the AF). Anyways, long story short, no power, no air conditioning, and no food for a 3 days. There was one little room where they had power and a small air conditioning window unit. Guess who got that? The general. There were kids and babies sick on the same floor, but they got nothing. A mother who just gave birth was on the floor and she couldn't get into that room to cool off because the General had to have it. Anyways, she got so sick, dehydrated, they had to life flight her out, with her baby, DURING the storm! So the lieutenant who was the Generals bit** who bark orders to everyone telling them to be quite at night, etc, because the general is trying to sleep. Long story even shorter, they almost had a riot (I guess mutiny) on the floor. Everyone was dehydrated (except general) and tons of people were sick. So as my friend would tell it, everyone would talk and carry on after the sun went down, nothing better to do, and the lieutenant came out and said "everyone be quite the general is trying to sleep." Well, my buddy, and others who they coudln't see, obviously, yelled back things like, "tell the general to come over here and tell it to our face," and "tell the general to FU** OFF!". Ended up that they stayed up there 1 day following the initial hit and EVERYONE demanded out, but the general said no. So, they just started to leave. Finally, the generally had everyone sign a paper claiming they were warned, and wouldn't be responsible for anything happening to them. Well, before they hopped in their cars, which were drenched, they were told, "do not stop for anyone. There are TONS of refugees at the gates trying to get in ... don't stop." Well, my buddy has a BIG truck, and people were jumping onto his car to get a ride. He didn't stop, and people were flying off left and right. No serious injuries, but there were tons of people trying to either get into the base, or get a ride away from their! |
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Ammo hordes are funny things... relatively easy to amass over time, relatively small to keep and no expiration date if kept in common sense containers.... but all but impossible to obtain after SHTF.
It's almost funny how much .22lr a man could amass if he grabbed a brick each time he went to the sports store or china-mart. But as for disasters and what comes in handy... I think whatever can make things comfortable for the family is first priority (so electricity, fans or AC, ready to eat (and tasty) foodstuffs, etc.) Exta flashlights, lanterns, tarps, and tools are no-brainers. Weather related disasters happen ALL the time. ALMOST always involving loss of electricity, water damage, etc. So having the nails, screws, tie downs, extra plywood, tarps, etc. on hand to patch or re-cover at least one part of your home is a no-brainer. Do it. Should Avian flu ever happen there will be a run on N95 masks and better ones. Having a case or two in reserve is like having lots of ammo: no expiration date, relatively inexpensive now and not so bulky. The other factors are human: getting to know who in the neighborhood is trustworthy and who need to be watched. Inexpensive and the next 3 months will provide us with 4+ readymade and socially acceptible excuses to visit the neighbors and say "hi" for the seasonal holidays. Bake some cookies or brownies and walk them around the neighborhood. Let the women do the talking.... they'll know soon enough who does what and who's up to what. I've asked favors from neighbors and discovered one guy is a bow hunter (but told me he doesn't have guns) and another is a handiman who doesn't hunt. But he has a truck and all the power tools a man could want. There's a guy up the street with a USMC flag and no Obama signs , whereas most others around here DON'T have signs at all.
I'm in typical anonymous atomized, post-community suburbia where people at most only know a handful of their immediate neighbors and then know them only so well... if SHTF we'll all be getting to know one another for the first time...a decided disadvantage to those criminal elements who already know each other and have worked together... 
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Ok, so I read the thread...but I have to know. Since you did not have to shoot any ammo in a serious SHTF, why keep thousands and thousands of rounds around if they will not be used? Just because no ammo needed to be used this time or last time or the time before that doesn't mean you won't ever need your firearm and the requisite ammo fort. And when you do need your firearm and ammo stocks, you will need them very badly. Chances are, st that point, you won't be able to get any ammo at all if you don't already have it. The same goes for most if not all of our other preps. |
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Ok, so I read the thread...but I have to know. Since you did not have to shoot any ammo in a serious SHTF, why keep thousands and thousands of rounds around if they will not be used? If you read the thread you know Shane DID use some ammo, and helped out his local police by donating some ammo to them. Also if you go to his 'Listening to Katrina' website you'll see a story about another group that had to use ammo to defend the neighborhood. |