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Posted: 11/9/2014 3:59:09 PM EDT
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Always use clean, fresh, unleaded gasoline. Briggs & Stratton recommends fuel that is a minimum of 87 octane. Fuels containing up to 10% ethanol or 15% MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether) are acceptable. Gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, such as E85, should NEVER be used. i guess you missed the last line. Gas engines for outdoor power equipment simply aren’t built to run with gasoline that contains more than 10% ethanol in it. |
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Posted: 11/9/2014 9:23:36 PM EDT
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Wasn't convenient to post maybe??
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Posted: 11/9/2014 9:26:03 PM EDT
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Clearly 5% by volume magically changes all of the chemical properties.
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Posted: 11/9/2014 9:53:15 PM EDT
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Clearly 5% by volume magically changes all of the chemical properties. yes, 5% can change a lot when dealing with some chemicals. |
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Posted: 11/9/2014 10:30:52 PM EDT
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Thank you. Ethanol is fine for storage. It won't hurt your engines either. As a matter of fact, Mercury (one of if not the largest boat motor manufacturer) RECOMMENDS ethanol fuel up to 10% in gas as an ideal boat motor fuel. Fuel lines are made of rubber. Rubber deteriorates with time. A lot of those bad fuel lines that were attributed to ethanol are actually just rubber hoses going bad....too old. Replace them. Buy which ever fuel you want...it's your money. But, ethanol gasoline will keep as long as non-ethanol gas just like non-ethanol gas will also go bad, given enough time and exposure to oxygen. Keep your fuel clean and well sealed and it'll last a long time....as in years. Done it many times. Running ethanol gas will help keep your engine's fuel system cleaner than non-ethanol gas will. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's pretty commonly available at marinas - Ethanol is hell on boat motors. If you don't mind getting spendy, avgas is another option - sold at just about any airport. maybe on older motors that havent been repaired in the last 6 or 7 years but all new motors run fine on it and the usual problems werent with the motor, it was with the fuel lines braking down internally. once the fuel lines from the tank to the motors were replaced with new lines designed to work with ethanol the problems, for the most part, went away. my uncles late 70's evinrude never had a mins problem. that might be because we knew of the problems and swapped out fuel lines when ethanol started to become the only thing you could get around here. there were also some internal filters that couldnt handle it but you could buy replacement kits that took care of that as well. Thank you. Ethanol is fine for storage. It won't hurt your engines either. As a matter of fact, Mercury (one of if not the largest boat motor manufacturer) RECOMMENDS ethanol fuel up to 10% in gas as an ideal boat motor fuel. Fuel lines are made of rubber. Rubber deteriorates with time. A lot of those bad fuel lines that were attributed to ethanol are actually just rubber hoses going bad....too old. Replace them. Buy which ever fuel you want...it's your money. But, ethanol gasoline will keep as long as non-ethanol gas just like non-ethanol gas will also go bad, given enough time and exposure to oxygen. Keep your fuel clean and well sealed and it'll last a long time....as in years. Done it many times. Running ethanol gas will help keep your engine's fuel system cleaner than non-ethanol gas will. I put original type rubber fuel lines on my vintage BMW motorcycle. Ethanol gas dried & cracked them in 6 months. Ethanol fucking sucks. Unless you're drinking it. |
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Posted: 11/9/2014 10:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, get the EPA Fuel Gods to bless them for gas...  So the Politically Correct EPA Brainwashed Sheeple ----who can't think outside the box ---won't be skeered, if they heard abt it. Then... Paint them a different color???  Or stretch and form them to look like a giant NATO can? So the Sheep feel safe and 'secure' around them....  How the heck would you mod them????? You take out the valve and pour fuel in the hole.  With your Tacticool Sheeple Prepper Approved Funnel, from Cabellass. Then plug the hole with a 3/4" NPT plastic fitting, with a hot water tank pressure relief valve installed set to 18PSI.  Having replaced the valve seat with Viton... Then add a Double Dose of Stabil uh, Mineral Spirits...  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I store pure premium gas, but that is all i run in my small engines. I store it in 100 pound propane tanks no longer good enough for lp. How did you modify the tanks to accommodate gasoline? Grove First, get the EPA Fuel Gods to bless them for gas... So the Politically Correct EPA Brainwashed Sheeple ----who can't think outside the box ---won't be skeered, if they heard abt it. Then... Paint them a different color??? Or stretch and form them to look like a giant NATO can? So the Sheep feel safe and 'secure' around them.... How the heck would you mod them????? You take out the valve and pour fuel in the hole. With your Tacticool Sheeple Prepper Approved Funnel, from Cabellass. Then plug the hole with a 3/4" NPT plastic fitting, with a hot water tank pressure relief valve installed set to 18PSI. Having replaced the valve seat with Viton... Then add a Double Dose of Stabil uh, Mineral Spirits... the only "mods" was cracking the damn valve loose on 60 year old tanks!
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Posted: 11/9/2014 10:48:12 PM EDT
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Yep. Let's just see what Mercury has to say shall we? http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2011/december/ethanol.asp Some high points for your reading pleasure: Mercury Marine, the world's largest manufacturer of marine engines, recently held a webinar to debunk some of its own myths about ethanol. I attended with interest. The first myth was that there are fuel additives that can prevent all issues associated with ethanol-blended gasoline. For example, no fuel additive can prevent ethanol from acting like a solvent. The second myth was that fuel additives can make stale or phase-separated fuel useable. "Fuel cannot be rejuvenated," Mercury determined, and they noted that it's a myth that ethanol-blended fuels are bad and should be avoided. "After the transition period from E0, E10 may actually be a superior marine fuel as it tends to keep low levels of water moving through the fuel system, keeping the system 'dry.'" "E10 Ethanol absolutely IS an acceptable fuel for everyday use." Then there is this link: http://www.ejmertaughboatworks.com/ethanol.pdf Are Mercury engines compatible with ethanol fuels? The fuel-system components of Mercury engines will withstand up to 10 percent alcohol content in gasoline – the maximum level currently allowed by the EPA in the U.S. There are some efforts to establish E-20 (20 percent ethanol mixed with 80 gasoline) for use in some areas, but that will require agreement from EPA to grant a waiver. Part of the EPA waiver process will require verification from studies that demonstrate that higher levels of ethanol do not create problems with fuel-system materials or operation of hardware. E-20 has not been extensively studied by Mercury and is not acceptable for use in Mercury products. E-85 fuels must not be used in any Mercury engines and could seriously damage current Mercury products. It is not legal in the U.S. to market any ethanol fuel as gasoline if it contains more than 10 percent ethanol. Will the use of fuels containing ethanol void my engine warranty? Fuels containing up to 10 percent ethanol are considered acceptable for use in Mercury engines. Fuels containing higher levels of ethanol are not considered acceptable for use, and the use of fuels containing ethanol higher than 10 percent can void the warranty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's pretty commonly available at marinas - Ethanol is hell on boat motors. If you don't mind getting spendy, avgas is another option - sold at just about any airport. maybe on older motors that havent been repaired in the last 6 or 7 years but all new motors run fine on it and the usual problems werent with the motor, it was with the fuel lines braking down internally. once the fuel lines from the tank to the motors were replaced with new lines designed to work with ethanol the problems, for the most part, went away. my uncles late 70's evinrude never had a mins problem. that might be because we knew of the problems and swapped out fuel lines when ethanol started to become the only thing you could get around here. there were also some internal filters that couldnt handle it but you could buy replacement kits that took care of that as well. Thank you. Ethanol is fine for storage. It won't hurt your engines either. As a matter of fact, Mercury (one of if not the largest boat motor manufacturer) RECOMMENDS ethanol fuel up to 10% in gas as an ideal boat motor fuel. Fuel lines are made of rubber. Rubber deteriorates with time. A lot of those bad fuel lines that were attributed to ethanol are actually just rubber hoses going bad....too old. Replace them. Buy which ever fuel you want...it's your money. But, ethanol gasoline will keep as long as non-ethanol gas just like non-ethanol gas will also go bad, given enough time and exposure to oxygen. Keep your fuel clean and well sealed and it'll last a long time....as in years. Done it many times. Running ethanol gas will help keep your engine's fuel system cleaner than non-ethanol gas will. Nope....just bought a Mercury this year. The owners manual all but begs you not to use ethanol. 
Yep. Let's just see what Mercury has to say shall we? http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2011/december/ethanol.asp Some high points for your reading pleasure: Mercury Marine, the world's largest manufacturer of marine engines, recently held a webinar to debunk some of its own myths about ethanol. I attended with interest. The first myth was that there are fuel additives that can prevent all issues associated with ethanol-blended gasoline. For example, no fuel additive can prevent ethanol from acting like a solvent. The second myth was that fuel additives can make stale or phase-separated fuel useable. "Fuel cannot be rejuvenated," Mercury determined, and they noted that it's a myth that ethanol-blended fuels are bad and should be avoided. "After the transition period from E0, E10 may actually be a superior marine fuel as it tends to keep low levels of water moving through the fuel system, keeping the system 'dry.'" "E10 Ethanol absolutely IS an acceptable fuel for everyday use." Then there is this link: http://www.ejmertaughboatworks.com/ethanol.pdf Are Mercury engines compatible with ethanol fuels? The fuel-system components of Mercury engines will withstand up to 10 percent alcohol content in gasoline – the maximum level currently allowed by the EPA in the U.S. There are some efforts to establish E-20 (20 percent ethanol mixed with 80 gasoline) for use in some areas, but that will require agreement from EPA to grant a waiver. Part of the EPA waiver process will require verification from studies that demonstrate that higher levels of ethanol do not create problems with fuel-system materials or operation of hardware. E-20 has not been extensively studied by Mercury and is not acceptable for use in Mercury products. E-85 fuels must not be used in any Mercury engines and could seriously damage current Mercury products. It is not legal in the U.S. to market any ethanol fuel as gasoline if it contains more than 10 percent ethanol. Will the use of fuels containing ethanol void my engine warranty? Fuels containing up to 10 percent ethanol are considered acceptable for use in Mercury engines. Fuels containing higher levels of ethanol are not considered acceptable for use, and the use of fuels containing ethanol higher than 10 percent can void the warranty. Nope, wrong again. My 2014 Mercury owner manual states under the fuel and oil recommendations; "If the gasoline contains ethanol you should be aware of certain adverse affects that can occur." See page 42 in the link provided. How do you like your crow?
http://www.mercury-marine.eu/cache/Documents/Mercury/FourStroke%203.5/0/en-GB/DocumentFull.pdf |
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Posted: 11/9/2014 11:19:58 PM EDT
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Nope, wrong again. My 2014 Mercury owner manual states under the fuel and oil recommendations; "If the gasoline contains ethanol you should be aware of certain adverse affects that can occur." See page 42 in the link provided. How do you like your crow?
http://www.mercury-marine.eu/cache/Documents/Mercury/FourStroke%203.5/0/en-GB/DocumentFull.pdf Reading is fundamental. Let's try it shall we? From your link: "The fuel system components on your Mercury Marine engine will withstand up to 10% alcohol content in the gasoline. We do not know what percentage your boat's fuel system will withstand." (hence the cautious recommendations...some older boats have fiberglass tanks...you must NOT put ethanol gas in fiberglass tanks. "USING REFORMULATED (OXYGENATED) GASOLINES (USA ONLY) This type of gasoline is required in certain areas of the USA. The 2 types of oxygenates used in these fuels are alcohol (ethanol) or ether (MTBE or ETBE). If ethanol is the oxygenate that is used in the gasoline in your area, refer to Gasolines Containing Alcohol. These reformulated gasolines are acceptable for use in your Mercury Marine engine." "GASOLINES CONTAINING ALCOHOL If the gasoline in your area contains either methanol (methyl alcohol) or ethanol (ethyl alcohol), you should be aware of certain adverse effects that can occur. These adverse effects are more severe with methanol. Increasing the percentage of alcohol in the fuel can also worsen these adverse effects." (methanol is some corrosive stuff. Ethanol isn't anything like methanol) |
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Posted: 11/9/2014 11:34:01 PM EDT
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Reading is fundamental. Let's try it shall we? From your link: "The fuel system components on your Mercury Marine engine will withstand up to 10% alcohol content in the gasoline. We do not know what percentage your boat's fuel system will withstand." (hence the cautious recommendations...some older boats have fiberglass tanks...you must NOT put ethanol gas in fiberglass tanks. "USING REFORMULATED (OXYGENATED) GASOLINES (USA ONLY) This type of gasoline is required in certain areas of the USA. The 2 types of oxygenates used in these fuels are alcohol (ethanol) or ether (MTBE or ETBE). If ethanol is the oxygenate that is used in the gasoline in your area, refer to Gasolines Containing Alcohol. These reformulated gasolines are acceptable for use in your Mercury Marine engine." "GASOLINES CONTAINING ALCOHOL If the gasoline in your area contains either methanol (methyl alcohol) or ethanol (ethyl alcohol), you should be aware of certain adverse effects that can occur. These adverse effects are more severe with methanol. Increasing the percentage of alcohol in the fuel can also worsen these adverse effects." (methanol is some corrosive stuff. Ethanol isn't anything like methanol) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, wrong again. My 2014 Mercury owner manual states under the fuel and oil recommendations; "If the gasoline contains ethanol you should be aware of certain adverse affects that can occur." See page 42 in the link provided. How do you like your crow?
http://www.mercury-marine.eu/cache/Documents/Mercury/FourStroke%203.5/0/en-GB/DocumentFull.pdf Reading is fundamental. Let's try it shall we? From your link: "The fuel system components on your Mercury Marine engine will withstand up to 10% alcohol content in the gasoline. We do not know what percentage your boat's fuel system will withstand." (hence the cautious recommendations...some older boats have fiberglass tanks...you must NOT put ethanol gas in fiberglass tanks. "USING REFORMULATED (OXYGENATED) GASOLINES (USA ONLY) This type of gasoline is required in certain areas of the USA. The 2 types of oxygenates used in these fuels are alcohol (ethanol) or ether (MTBE or ETBE). If ethanol is the oxygenate that is used in the gasoline in your area, refer to Gasolines Containing Alcohol. These reformulated gasolines are acceptable for use in your Mercury Marine engine." "GASOLINES CONTAINING ALCOHOL If the gasoline in your area contains either methanol (methyl alcohol) or ethanol (ethyl alcohol), you should be aware of certain adverse effects that can occur. These adverse effects are more severe with methanol. Increasing the percentage of alcohol in the fuel can also worsen these adverse effects." (methanol is some corrosive stuff. Ethanol isn't anything like methanol) Sorry, you lose Will withstand up to 10% does not mean it's great for the motor. Reading IS fundamental. Because of possible adverse effects of alcohol in gasoline, it is recommended that only alcohol-free gasoline be used where possible. No Mercury does not love ethanol or methanol. Ethanol is not better for your motors. You are wrong, no one believes the BS you are spouting. Ethanol is bad, it's a scam on the American consumer. |
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Posted: 11/9/2014 11:56:45 PM EDT
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So after readingall of this thread is it safe to say that "ethanol vs non ethanol" can join the ranks of the hot arfcom debates with no end?
"ethanol vs non ethanol gas" "beans or no beans? " " 1911 or glock" "9mm or 45" "AR or AK" 
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Posted: 11/10/2014 12:47:37 AM EDT
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So after readingall of this thread is it safe to say that "ethanol vs non ethanol" can join the ranks of the hot arfcom debates with no end? "ethanol vs non ethanol gas" "beans or no beans? " " 1911 or glock" "9mm or 45" "AR or AK" Probably. Unfortunately there is a lot of emotional BS surrounding the topic with very little facts. |
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Posted: 11/10/2014 12:52:28 AM EDT
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Sorry, you lose Will withstand up to 10% does not mean it's great for the motor. Reading IS fundamental. Because of possible adverse effects of alcohol in gasoline, it is recommended that only alcohol-free gasoline be used where possible. No Mercury does not love ethanol or methanol. Ethanol is not better for your motors. You are wrong, no one believes the BS you are spouting. Ethanol is bad, it's a scam on the American consumer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, wrong again. My 2014 Mercury owner manual states under the fuel and oil recommendations; "If the gasoline contains ethanol you should be aware of certain adverse affects that can occur." See page 42 in the link provided. How do you like your crow?
http://www.mercury-marine.eu/cache/Documents/Mercury/FourStroke%203.5/0/en-GB/DocumentFull.pdf Reading is fundamental. Let's try it shall we? From your link: "The fuel system components on your Mercury Marine engine will withstand up to 10% alcohol content in the gasoline. We do not know what percentage your boat's fuel system will withstand." (hence the cautious recommendations...some older boats have fiberglass tanks...you must NOT put ethanol gas in fiberglass tanks. "USING REFORMULATED (OXYGENATED) GASOLINES (USA ONLY) This type of gasoline is required in certain areas of the USA. The 2 types of oxygenates used in these fuels are alcohol (ethanol) or ether (MTBE or ETBE). If ethanol is the oxygenate that is used in the gasoline in your area, refer to Gasolines Containing Alcohol. These reformulated gasolines are acceptable for use in your Mercury Marine engine." "GASOLINES CONTAINING ALCOHOL If the gasoline in your area contains either methanol (methyl alcohol) or ethanol (ethyl alcohol), you should be aware of certain adverse effects that can occur. These adverse effects are more severe with methanol. Increasing the percentage of alcohol in the fuel can also worsen these adverse effects." (methanol is some corrosive stuff. Ethanol isn't anything like methanol) Sorry, you lose Will withstand up to 10% does not mean it's great for the motor. Reading IS fundamental. Because of possible adverse effects of alcohol in gasoline, it is recommended that only alcohol-free gasoline be used where possible. No Mercury does not love ethanol or methanol. Ethanol is not better for your motors. You are wrong, no one believes the BS you are spouting. Ethanol is bad, it's a scam on the American consumer. You only want to read the parts that support your views. You aren't interested in truth or all the facts. Therefore, this conversation is over. You are entitled to your own opinions....you aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Posted: 11/10/2014 12:58:31 AM EDT
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You only want to read the parts that support your views. You aren't interested in truth or all the facts. Therefore, this conversation is over. You are entitled to your own opinions....you aren't entitled to your own facts. Just avoid ethanol like the owners manual says. 
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Posted: 11/10/2014 3:10:24 AM EDT
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Just started my Oldsmobile the other weekend. Last time it ran was about a year ago. Hooked up the battery, cranked on it a bit to get some oil going, then hit the starter fluid and it fired right up and ran pretty damn clean. The last time gas went in the tank was some time late 2000. I think gas keeps a lot longer than people think.* *Car is in a garage year round. You've posted about this Olds before, some kind of classic, iirc. Pics? |
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Posted: 11/10/2014 3:18:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You've posted about this Olds before, some kind of classic, iirc. Pics? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just started my Oldsmobile the other weekend. snip You've posted about this Olds before, some kind of classic, iirc. Pics?  Here's vid from Jan 2013, it was a little smokey, but it probably hadn't been started in at least 5 years (stored at G-parents and I had moved cross country). When I fired it up a few weeks ago, it ran SUPER clean. Must have blown all the gunk out the last time. Relevant to the thread, I'm not saying ALL gas in ALL conditions will always work, but in this sample size of one, it seems like there's been very little detriment to start up and High/ low idle.  |
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Posted: 11/10/2014 10:25:29 AM EDT
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So have we established an answer to the question? It sounds to me like two camps here. Camp 1: 10% ethanol doesn't matter. Stabil doesn't matter. Container matters. Camp 2: better safe than sorry, don't store any ethanol and use stabil. It's not expensive and better than having bad fuel. Container matters. My long term storage gas is non ethanol however I have 25 gallons of older red blitz cans that I will fill up with gas before any anticipated storm or disruption. I fill them up with E10. Interestingly my champion generator is rated for E 10. I always thought that small engines were not ethanol friendly. The Engineers that people quote as saying yes use Ethanol................well those same Engineers don't use it in their personal stuff, don't store it in their preps, don't like it and don't like the EPA but they have to deal with all the above. They base their opinions on science and facts from their own labs, dynos and decades of field tests in harsh environments. I don't see any of those people posting in here but I know of two who will lurk here. They will never post in here "F the EPA and screw Ethanol." One use to post in here years ago, no one knew his background and no one listened, so he stopped. That is a fact. Don't store 87 octane, the crap found in it is exponentially greater then that found in 89. That is a fact. You don't really need octane higher than 89 for anything made today. That is a fact. Ethanol fuel is much harder on smaller engines (see Waldos post) and can be compounded by summer and winter blends. Those are facts. The other day people I work with who were born and raised here in the great white north thought only diesel had summer and winter blends. They had their facts wrong. It is a good idea to dedicate and rotate some fuel for small engines based on the seasons they are used most. It is not as big an issue for use in a V8 versus a chainsaw. If your chainsaw boils in summer or your snow blower, UTV or snowmobile lags in winter, you may be using the off season blend. I have two feet of snow coming today, there will be 10 gallons of fresh, winter blend, ethanol free, 91 octane gas in the back of my truck today just for snow blower use this month. These two cans along with others are what I use to feed my small engines so that the gas is the right blend for the season. My longer term gas stored is also ethanol free, 91 octane because it is more likely to work well in more of the equipment I own. I always find it interesting that people will own 100k worth of gas powered vehicles and equipment then debate the finer points of saving 50 cents on a gallon of gas. Even at 500 gallons you just saved $250 but dropped 30-50k on a new truck. Next people will be pissing in their gas tanks to extend their fuel. |
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Posted: 11/10/2014 11:31:23 AM EDT
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Putting aside the debate as to weather E10 is "bad" or not, I store Non-oxy gas simply because it is more energy dense. In a 5 gallon can there is a fixed amount of storage space, why would you not want to get the most energy possible out of that fixed space?
A few years ago I did a fairly comprehensive, albeit non scientific, driving tests over the course of a few months using E10 vs. Ethanol free. Running ethanol free gas took my average MPG from around 17 MPG to 20 MPG in my Jeep. Even though the ethanol free gas was more expensive, my $ per mile was less. Using those numbers, a 5 gallon can takes me 15 miles further down the road. People get caught up in the debate of this and that. If you look at numbers and not subjective data, Non-oxy fuel is better for MY storage program. You need to do the research and decide if it is worth it for you or not. |
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Posted: 11/11/2014 7:49:12 PM EDT
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How many people don't have access to real gas. I know I have to drive a short distance just to pay about .25 more per gallon.
I run real gas in the boat and small motors only. Cars and Jeep get ethanol. 
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Posted: 11/12/2014 8:17:38 AM EDT
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http://nationalpetroleum.net/Ethanol-Water-Phase-Separation-facts.pdf
http://epa.gov/oms/regs/fuels/rfg/waterphs.pdf http://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/ethanolwinter.asp Phase separation is the biggest problem with ethanol blends, especially when it comes to two strokes running premix. As the fuel phase separates it tends to take the lubricating oil out of solution with it. Phase separated fuel will also end up with a lower octane rating because blenders start with a lower octane gas which is raised to the target octane rating by the ethanol added to the blend. |
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Posted: 11/12/2014 10:38:50 AM EDT
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My opinion is if you have newer cars and sealed containers like nato cans use whatever but if you have small engines to run or older cars built before the ethanol requirements, use ethanol free. I get ethanol free for .10 more a gallon. It's all I use for my small engines. The cars all use 10% ethanol. I had an older car that it made a 10 mpg difference in but in the newer ones it doesn't matter.
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Posted: 11/12/2014 11:34:36 AM EDT
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Back on TN I passed 2 stations that sold ethanol free gas on the drive to/from work.
Here in VA the closest one that's not a marina is about a 40 minute drive away, not close to anything else that I would need to go to. I also had a place that sold refurbished 15 gallon barrels nearby. I'm glad I picked up two while I lived there since there isn't anything like that around here. I found a guy on Craiglist selling 30 gallons barrels but that's too big for me. I like the portability of he 15 gallon barrels. |
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Posted: 11/12/2014 12:39:30 PM EDT
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Thank you. Ethanol is fine for storage. It won't hurt your engines either. As a matter of fact, Mercury (one of if not the largest boat motor manufacturer) RECOMMENDS ethanol fuel up to 10% in gas as an ideal boat motor fuel. Fuel lines are made of rubber. Rubber deteriorates with time. A lot of those bad fuel lines that were attributed to ethanol are actually just rubber hoses going bad....too old. Replace them. Buy which ever fuel you want...it's your money. But, ethanol gasoline will keep as long as non-ethanol gas just like non-ethanol gas will also go bad, given enough time and exposure to oxygen. Keep your fuel clean and well sealed and it'll last a long time....as in years. Done it many times. Running ethanol gas will help keep your engine's fuel system cleaner than non-ethanol gas will. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's pretty commonly available at marinas - Ethanol is hell on boat motors. If you don't mind getting spendy, avgas is another option - sold at just about any airport. maybe on older motors that havent been repaired in the last 6 or 7 years but all new motors run fine on it and the usual problems werent with the motor, it was with the fuel lines braking down internally. once the fuel lines from the tank to the motors were replaced with new lines designed to work with ethanol the problems, for the most part, went away. my uncles late 70's evinrude never had a mins problem. that might be because we knew of the problems and swapped out fuel lines when ethanol started to become the only thing you could get around here. there were also some internal filters that couldnt handle it but you could buy replacement kits that took care of that as well. Thank you. Ethanol is fine for storage. It won't hurt your engines either. As a matter of fact, Mercury (one of if not the largest boat motor manufacturer) RECOMMENDS ethanol fuel up to 10% in gas as an ideal boat motor fuel. Fuel lines are made of rubber. Rubber deteriorates with time. A lot of those bad fuel lines that were attributed to ethanol are actually just rubber hoses going bad....too old. Replace them. Buy which ever fuel you want...it's your money. But, ethanol gasoline will keep as long as non-ethanol gas just like non-ethanol gas will also go bad, given enough time and exposure to oxygen. Keep your fuel clean and well sealed and it'll last a long time....as in years. Done it many times. Running ethanol gas will help keep your engine's fuel system cleaner than non-ethanol gas will. 
That could not be further from the truth. When was the last time you attended a Merc tech class? |
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Posted: 12/7/2014 9:11:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2014 1:42:14 PM EDT
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Well I can by real gas for .05 cheaper than the tainted crap so it isn't an issue for me.
But does anyone have any good ideas for converting farm tanks I have several 500gal but there open venting seems like a bad deal. There not designed for pressure and I have thought sealing them and adding a some kind of an expansion tank and a relief valve. I would to have a 1000 gal turn to shit. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 7:29:54 PM EDT
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On the propane tanks, I now want to take a look in an "empty" 100lb tank that has a rusty support ring but the whole tank looks reasonable. Needs paint but big whup. I quoted empty because like all propane stuff it still has propane in it and if I actually took the valve out it will not have that propane atmosphere in it.
On the gasoline, consider energy contained posts where people are getting more mileage from real gas. Figure out that percentage. If you pay 200 bucks for 4 of the 5 gallon nato cans and put real gas or ethanol gas in it, which one has a bit more energy? Makes your fuel storage worth more. I bounce back and forth. I figure at some point the 100% gas will go away and I want my stuff to run on anything I might have to buy. Also been traveling here and there and I can't always find 100% gas out and about. Biggest thing I need to do is buy some real fuel line for the mowers that is rated for this stuff. Napa and everyone here stocks one fuel line and the internal is decent for ethanol but it will break down quicker than stuff used to break down. Last time I mentioned that people pointed me to car dealers, or their parts suppliers, and get the rubber fuel injection rated stuff since it is better. It is also expensive. But I am tired of rubber fuel lines break down in just a few years. Used to be I never changed em is what I recall. Might have to mess with it if I did the fuel filter and had to maybe cut part of the line because the filter would not come loose. |
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