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[#2]
How about a 3x microprism with a .22LR reticle? Calibrated from a 16” barrel like the 10/22 has.
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[#3]
I keep asking for this but a 4x prism with a rds built in up top?
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[#4]
Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: I keep asking for this but a 4x prism with a rds built in up top? View Quote Preferably GLX or PLX. I'd prefer RMR footprint, but plenty of folks would like ACRO, so I wouldn't have an issue with MOS plate system like on some of the other offerings. But a built in mount like on the Vortex 5x or the ACOG "wing" boss mounts would give me another option than the TA33s I've standardized on. And I've bought two TA33s in the last month and would have been quite happy to go with a cheaper PA offering if the execution (durability) of the piggyback mount hadn't been complete shit. |
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“The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.” Tacitus
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[#5]
Originally Posted By keeperofthedew: Preferably GLX or PLX. I'd prefer RMR footprint, but plenty of folks would like ACRO, so I wouldn't have an issue with MOS plate system like on some of the other offerings. But a built in mount like on the Vortex 5x or the ACOG "wing" boss mounts would give me another option than the TA33s I've standardized on. And I've bought two TA33s in the last month and would have been quite happy to go with a cheaper PA offering if the execution (durability) of the piggyback mount hadn't been complete shit. View Quote No No footprint Literally a built in rds up top One solid unit. |
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[Last Edit: hoody2shoez]
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Originally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: No No footprint Literally a built in rds up top One solid unit. Interesting I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece |
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[#8]
Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: No No footprint Literally a built in rds up top One solid unit. Interesting I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece Eh, I'd skip that, and I don't think it would do all that well. I also think there are some serious production issues with the idea. Two reasons I wouldn't want that: 1. Redundancy. I currently have two separate optics, so a failure of one leaves me with the other still functional. 2. Futureproofing. Modularity allows you options for upgrading down the road. I can put a $200 holosun on it now and replace it with an RMR or even an ACRO later if I decide I want to. Built in removes that snd forces the company to make the decision of what kind of red dot they're going to use. Reasons I don't think it makes sense from a production/business perspective: • More cost to design what is essentially two optics that are integrated to presumably running on a single power source. • No real advantage over two optics. • Increased housing and electrical engineering complexity. • The majority of buyers are currently buying prisms and either running them as stand alone or with an offset dot, so market share is questionable for the amount of investmemt required. |
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“The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.” Tacitus
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[#9]
Originally Posted By keeperofthedew: Eh, I'd skip that, and I don't think it would do all that well. I also think there are some serious production issues with the idea. Two reasons I wouldn't want that: 1. Redundancy. I currently have two separate optics, so a failure of one leaves me with the other still functional. 2. Futureproofing. Modularity allows you options for upgrading down the road. I can put a $200 holosun on it now and replace it with an RMR or even an ACRO later if I decide I want to. Built in removes that snd forces the company to make the decision of what kind of red dot they're going to use. Reasons I don't think it makes sense from a production/business perspective: • More cost to design what is essentially two optics that are integrated to presumably running on a single power source. • No real advantage over two optics. • Increased housing and electrical engineering complexity. • The majority of buyers are currently buying prisms and either running them as stand alone or with an offset dot, so market share is questionable for the amount of investmemt required. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By keeperofthedew: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: No No footprint Literally a built in rds up top One solid unit. Interesting I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece Eh, I'd skip that, and I don't think it would do all that well. I also think there are some serious production issues with the idea. Two reasons I wouldn't want that: 1. Redundancy. I currently have two separate optics, so a failure of one leaves me with the other still functional. 2. Futureproofing. Modularity allows you options for upgrading down the road. I can put a $200 holosun on it now and replace it with an RMR or even an ACRO later if I decide I want to. Built in removes that snd forces the company to make the decision of what kind of red dot they're going to use. Reasons I don't think it makes sense from a production/business perspective: • More cost to design what is essentially two optics that are integrated to presumably running on a single power source. • No real advantage over two optics. • Increased housing and electrical engineering complexity. • The majority of buyers are currently buying prisms and either running them as stand alone or with an offset dot, so market share is questionable for the amount of investmemt required. 100% disagree on all accounts. It's fair if you're not interested. A single piece will be worlds stronger than several pieces put together using mounts and whatnot. And no, the majority of prisms use a top mounted as the acog makes the majority of the prisms on the market. |
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[#10]
Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece View Quote I’d want 5x at least for that set up and I’d argue you don’t even need her prism illuminated with a RDS on top |
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[#11]
Originally Posted By Castillo: I’d want 5x at least for that set up and I’d argue you don’t even need her prism illuminated with a RDS on top View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece I’d want 5x at least for that set up and I’d argue you don’t even need her prism illuminated with a RDS on top What about instead of a prism it's a lightweight ffp 2-6? Straight body, 30mm obj, 34mm tube, mil based reticle with wind holds, acog style adjustments, with a built in rds up top? Built in mount, etc. Basically a smaller, lighter vcog with a built in rds. Not going down to 1x would eliminate a lot of the issues/complexities lpvo's face I'm not going to lie-if somebody could pull off a lightweight package with premium glass like that I would pay big money. Like March class money |
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[#12]
Originally Posted By 0351: Everyone is getting into retro guns. How about retro scopes with ACSS reticles? The two I would love to see: 1) USMC M40A1 Unertl fixed 10x (various reticles) 2) COLT (Japanese mfg.) fixed 4x with Aurora reticle. View Quote Something that would look at home on a Mk12 would be great. |
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[#13]
Retro is a great idea. It's a shame the 30mm retro red dot clone is discontinued.
They could bring that back in a higher quality spec. I'd also ask that PA bring something like the old ARMS direct carry handle mount for 30mm reddots. |
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[#14]
I would like to see a super compact 1-4 SFP with the nova fiber reticle. Silver and/or gold class. Most of the LPVOs are 9.5-10” long so something like this would be cool if it were to be 7” or less if possible, maybe even go for a 34mm tube if that helps with the FOV and eyebox, but 30mm would be fine if it could work well.
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[#15]
I would like to see a "glx" tier 30mm magnifier with the following features:
-long eye relief -Pegasus Reticle -30mm (aimpoint pattern) body, glx glass -4x or 5x magnification The reason for using 30mm is it would enable you to have a Pegasus reticle that can be rotated properly for use in Unity, Spuhr RDF, or conventional mounts. I think 4x and 5x are the most overlooked mag range and should work well with the Pegasus reticle. Finally, there is a real lack of mid-tier options in the 30mm pattern. |
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[Last Edit: Ex_Sanguine_Nation]
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edit: disregard
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[#17]
Probably mentioned already, but a ring cap mount for the PLX mount that is a 509 footprint.
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[#18]
I know this isn't Primary Arms (forgive my sin) but this guy explains why larger mag prisms aren't really a thing and won't be any time soon:
Intro to Prism Scopes: What are they Anyway? I wish they would re-do the 5x micro with a piggyback option built in. |
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[Last Edit: Bakke1]
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Is there any hope of a different reticle in the plx?
**edit** when do we get the chance to buy nova plxc? |
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[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: I know this isn't Primary Arms (forgive my sin) but this guy explains why larger mag prisms aren't really a thing and won't be any time soon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78EtShVhVBQ I wish they would re-do the 5x micro with a piggyback option built in. View Quote Yep. You can’t escape the physics of light gathering. On something like a TA31 the prism is already too big for the body and lens sizes to handle. This is why ACOG’s peak field of view and peak eye box don’t align with eachother. The PA microprisms use smaller likely laser cut prisms so they can align the field of view and eye box using smaller prisms. While this is technically peak prism geometry, the ACOG’s have an immensely larger eye box if you’re willing to work outside of their peak field of view. Most people can’t overcome the psychology of not using the largest viewing area though. I certainly don’t have the expertise of the gentleman in that video, but if you get bored and want to read about why everyone uses ACOG’s wrong and how their prism inefficiency is actually kind of a plus, check out my 3rd post HERE. |
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[#22]
Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: What about instead of a prism it's a lightweight ffp 2-6? Straight body, 30mm obj, 34mm tube, mil based reticle with wind holds, acog style adjustments, with a built in rds up top? Built in mount, etc. Basically a smaller, lighter vcog with a built in rds. Not going down to 1x would eliminate a lot of the issues/complexities lpvo's face I'm not going to lie-if somebody could pull off a lightweight package with premium glass like that I would pay big money. Like March class money View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece I’d want 5x at least for that set up and I’d argue you don’t even need her prism illuminated with a RDS on top What about instead of a prism it's a lightweight ffp 2-6? Straight body, 30mm obj, 34mm tube, mil based reticle with wind holds, acog style adjustments, with a built in rds up top? Built in mount, etc. Basically a smaller, lighter vcog with a built in rds. Not going down to 1x would eliminate a lot of the issues/complexities lpvo's face I'm not going to lie-if somebody could pull off a lightweight package with premium glass like that I would pay big money. Like March class money Both the prism and scope with built in RDS ideas are winners. Sell it with a decent QD mount that doesn't weigh 87lbs too. I'm so over dicking around with 300 different mounts, plates, screws and changing 87 batteries. Same issue with pistol slides not having built in RDS by now. But that's an issue for another thread. |
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Both the prism and scope with built in RDS ideas are winners. Sell it with a decent QD mount that doesn't weigh 87lbs too. I'm so over dicking around with 300 different mounts, plates, screws and changing 87 batteries. Same issue with pistol slides not having built in RDS by now. But that's an issue for another thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece I’d want 5x at least for that set up and I’d argue you don’t even need her prism illuminated with a RDS on top What about instead of a prism it's a lightweight ffp 2-6? Straight body, 30mm obj, 34mm tube, mil based reticle with wind holds, acog style adjustments, with a built in rds up top? Built in mount, etc. Basically a smaller, lighter vcog with a built in rds. Not going down to 1x would eliminate a lot of the issues/complexities lpvo's face I'm not going to lie-if somebody could pull off a lightweight package with premium glass like that I would pay big money. Like March class money Both the prism and scope with built in RDS ideas are winners. Sell it with a decent QD mount that doesn't weigh 87lbs too. I'm so over dicking around with 300 different mounts, plates, screws and changing 87 batteries. Same issue with pistol slides not having built in RDS by now. But that's an issue for another thread. I mean, it's not outside the realm of possibility for PA to make an integral optic Glock slide. Not that I want a Glock slide. I'm just saying they could. |
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[#24]
Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: What about instead of a prism it's a lightweight ffp 2-6? Straight body, 30mm obj, 34mm tube, mil based reticle with wind holds, acog style adjustments, with a built in rds up top? Built in mount, etc. Basically a smaller, lighter vcog with a built in rds. Not going down to 1x would eliminate a lot of the issues/complexities lpvo's face I'm not going to lie-if somebody could pull off a lightweight package with premium glass like that I would pay big money. Like March class money View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: I mean people buy these things and proceed to mount a rds to it anyway. Let's all just agree to save a step and have it come as a single piece I’d want 5x at least for that set up and I’d argue you don’t even need her prism illuminated with a RDS on top What about instead of a prism it's a lightweight ffp 2-6? Straight body, 30mm obj, 34mm tube, mil based reticle with wind holds, acog style adjustments, with a built in rds up top? Built in mount, etc. Basically a smaller, lighter vcog with a built in rds. Not going down to 1x would eliminate a lot of the issues/complexities lpvo's face I'm not going to lie-if somebody could pull off a lightweight package with premium glass like that I would pay big money. Like March class money I'd actually prefer a 30mm 2-8 based on the PLXc, and ideally with a mini/micro-RDS footprint machined into the optic body, possibly just forward of the elevation turret. Or a 2-10 on the same architecture, but with a slightly larger objective lens. But I freely admit I'm a sample of 1, and even if such a thing existed I probably wouldn't have the $$ on hand to buy it anyway. Right now I'm looking at the PLXc 1-8 with the Griffin mil-tree for possible short-to-medium range GP bolt gun use. |
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Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b: I'd actually prefer a 30mm 2-8 based on the PLXc, and ideally with a mini/micro-RDS footprint machined into the optic body, possibly just forward of the elevation turret. Or a 2-10 on the same architecture, but with a slightly larger objective lens. But I freely admit I'm a sample of 1, and even if such a thing existed I probably wouldn't have the $$ on hand to buy it anyway. Right now I'm looking at the PLXc 1-8 with the Griffin mil-tree for possible short-to-medium range GP bolt gun use. View Quote 2-10 is a great magnification range. A 1-5 double power is kind of a sweet spot. Build in an enclosed RDS on top and it would be amazing. |
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[#26]
Optics that take CR123A/AAA batteries
VCOG-style integral mounts for NOVA scopes A variable-power magnifier QD variations of mounts. |
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