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Posted: 3/12/2018 1:37:14 PM EDT
You make great products including your rifles, but here the problem. You don't offer any barrels for those rifles to customers that have already purchased a rifle. The Predatobr is marked a "multi-caliber" gun, yet you can only buy a 5.56 or 7.62 barrels for those guns. Your company makes .260 and 6.5 barrels yet they're not available to your customers that have already purchased a 7.62 gun. Your company also makes .224, 6.5, and 300 blk, for the AR15 pattern gun, yet these barrels are not available for the Predatobr, only in a complete upper kit or new rifle. I understand the marketing aspect of it, as you would rather sell a rifle than just a barrel, but you should consider your loyal customers Mr. Larue. Customers that purchased the rifle before you even offered those calibers. Also having a "multi-caliber" gun is useless without having multiple caliber barrels available! It's a complete FAIL!!!
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Nice rant...
Light on facts...but very emotional...Im sure you believe all of it... |
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... Um, it's actually all 100% true WV.
Only few barrels have filtered out to people by chance, and they lock the sales down to stop the loss of sales on other items/guns/UU kits/stealth 2.0/etc. Selling a barrel alone kills sales on other items. I've said it before.... Would you rather they go out of business? And not even have LaRue as an option? Now, I do think they should offer alternate caliber barrels to loyal rifle purchasers. Just like they offer lowers to UU kit buyers. Simply input an order # or serial number to buy "A" barrel of your choice in alternate caliber. ETA: Another issue is to think what is needed to tune a barrel in another caliber and have it function as to be expected. The time involved is immeasurable. |
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Or maybe it's because they don't want people putting the barrels in whatever crap $18.95 sale upper they can find then bitching that LaRue should make their Franken gun run <moa.
As for the multi marked lower, just buy a complete upper, viola, multiple calibers with the lower. |
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Or maybe it's because they don't want people putting the barrels in whatever crap $18.95 sale upper they can find then bitching that LaRue should make their Franken gun run <moa. As for the multi marked lower, just buy a complete upper, viola, multiple calibers with the lower. View Quote And I believe this is focused on tobr barrels, for tobr owners. And simply providing your serial or order number would negate the "other people putting them in their bubble gum gun" |
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My bad for being vague...
What I should have said was this...I own a couple TOBRs...and at NO time when I purchased did I infer that just because the things were stamped “multi” did that mean I was entitled to or should expect access to another barrel of a different calibur to expand the rifles capabilities and use. I may have hoped they could eventually be offered...but I never expected it...and I certainly would never consider throwing shade at Mark for not offering them. Alas in this day and age everyone has an opinion on how others should conduct thier business...Its waaaaay cool to criticize... I really dont know how ML had managed to keep his company going so long...when clearly folks in here know how to run it so much better than he does.... see sarcasm... end of my 2 cents... |
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Well, Mark LaRue himself spoke about additional barrels in alternate calibers so I think that feature was a huge selling point. It was to me.
There was specific talk about 338 federal, 7-08, etc. And capable 25-08s have been seen in the wild so... This isn't a complaint about how business is run. I understand that things just have to be a certain way. But the OP is correct as well |
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Mettee is right imo. The tOBR is a precision rifle and just tossing another caliber in the tOBR could spell problems. 556 6.5 224 300bo or 260 6.5cm and 308 is a lot to work around.
I preordered before the tOBR was a quick change system. I waited forever. My 308 came in the tiny tool box. It is still the coolest thing I’ve ever bought. I got all I wanted out of the tOBR, an easy user serviceable upper. Small package with a drop in barrel. Without going into specifics... For instance... After 8k rounds a well known manufacturers rifle I have to shoot went down about a month before I needed it. The barrel was keyholing rounds on paper. No big deal if happens. However, the upper had to be sent back and took 4 weeks to return with a new barrel. I had to get a loaner upper. Now if it was a tOBR it could have been fixed easy. However, this rifle is a proprietary factory rifle that requires special tools to change the barrel. The tOBR amazes me because I can take it out of a bag and just hand cinch the barrel down and it’s back to where it always hits. |
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My bad for being vague... What I should have said was this...I own a couple TOBRs...and at NO time when I purchased did I infer that just because the things were stamped "multi" did that mean I was entitled to or should expect access to another barrel of a different calibur to expand the rifles capabilities and use. I may have hoped they could eventually be offered...but I never expected it...and I certainly would never consider throwing shade at Mark for not offering them. Alas in this day and age everyone has an opinion on how others should conduct thier business...Its waaaaay cool to criticize... I really dont know how ML had managed to keep his company going so long...when clearly folks in here know how to run it so much better than he does.... see sarcasm... end of my 2 cents... View Quote Clearly the times have changed a bit, but I believe most 7.62 predatobr owners upon seeing that video were very excited about being able to run the 338 federal, 260, 6.5 creedmoor or whatever Larue decided to make. It's not like people assumed it was going to be so because of some markings, it was literally put out on the Internet stating it as a matter of fact. Now, it doesn't change how I feel about the company because that's not something I desire to have. Also, the current market is bad enough that I understand the rationale for not making them, but I can see how it would not sit right with some folks. |
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Yea, I gave up on this dream in '14 or '15 maybe..can't remember. In the mean time bought a Big Frame UU to get 6.5 and FDE 7.62 to get a .260 barrel.
Crazy I tell ya. |
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For those gargling balls and telling people they are entitled for thinking there should be other options available. Mark himself has said on many occasions, years back, that many different calibers and lengths would be available to swap out for the tOBR. This was years back and I got tired of waiting and made my own version out of what was available.
I would suggest moving on and making what you want instead of waiting for it to happen. They make top products but the wait for new stuff can be insane. |
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For those gargling balls and telling people they are entitled for thinking there should be other options available. Mark himself has said on many occasions, years back, that many different calibers and lengths would be available to swap out for the tOBR. This was years back and I got tired of waiting and made my own version out of what was available. I would suggest moving on and making what you want instead of waiting for it to happen. They make top products but the wait for new stuff can be insane. View Quote |
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My bad for being vague... What I should have said was this...I own a couple TOBRs...and at NO time when I purchased did I infer that just because the things were stamped "multi" did that mean I was entitled to or should expect access to another barrel of a different calibur to expand the rifles capabilities and use. I may have hoped they could eventually be offered...but I never expected it...and I certainly would never consider throwing shade at Mark for not offering them. Alas in this day and age everyone has an opinion on how others should conduct thier business...Its waaaaay cool to criticize... I really dont know how ML had managed to keep his company going so long...when clearly folks in here know how to run it so much better than he does.... see sarcasm... end of my 2 cents... View Quote I'm just giving my 2 cents also, last time I checked we could do that in a free country. I'm not telling him how to run his company I'm just sayin... |
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Craddock precision will setup a barrel for a tOBR. Your gun is not orphaned.
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There is a 2015 SHOT show video of Mark Fingar explaining how they perfected their in house barrels, and proudly holding a 260 rem PredatOBR. He says, "for all you 7.62 predatobr owners it will be as simple as getting a barrel from us." View Quote Not offering barrels to Tobr owners but offering them as full kits to Joe Schmo is inexcusable in my opinion. The whole point of the going full steam with the "suitcase rifle" was the quick barrel change capability. Who out there is like, oh sh*t let me take off my 14.5" 308 and throw on my 20" 308 for this shot. No one. I'm a larue fanboy for sure but comon. |
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I have to admit, the possibility of swapping out barrels is one reason I purchased my tOBR right when they announced the break down feature. I was also fortunate enough to get in on of the FDE tAR Heavies on Jan 1, 2016. As a result of that purchase, I was offered .260 barrels at a great price and purchased on of each length. I have never swapped the barrels into the FDE but run them all the time in the tOBR and love them. If there were more calibers available, I would probably buy one of each, even if it did need a different BCG, etc. Having said that, I feel the UU kits are such a great value that if I did not have the 260 barrels, I would have just bought the UU. This is exactly what I did to get a Grendel for my small frame Larue and what I will do if the 224V ever becomes available in the UU.
It is purely conjecture but I also wonder if a liability issue is factoring into Mark's decision to not make sparrelsb broadly available. If you look at the number of AR15s that have been blown up by someone putting 300BLK into 5.56 barrels. which could probably happen with my 260 setup, that may explain why a complete upper swap may help mitigate these types of mistakes. On my Grendel, it is a completely different hand guard so it is less likely you would be confused about what you are holding (and yes I know a grendel will not fit in a 5.56 chamber). No idea if this plays into the decision but it has made me more interested in dedicated uppers rather than swapping barrels, especially given the price of the UU kits. |
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I have a chance to buy a LaRue 6.5 Grendel stealth Barrel for my PredatOBR. Should I do it?
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^^^^^My understanding is m4 feed ramps on the UU kits and tOBRs have rifle. Not that it would or wouldn’t work.... that’s why I just bought a UU Grendel.
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I have a tOBR with standard upper, no ramps, that I put a Grendel barrel in with m4 barrel extension. While not the way I would do it now, it has worked out fine.
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Quoted: Barrel extension? Link? How would you do it now? Thanks. View Quote |
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Tobr barrels don't fit in another upper properly, the extension has been ground. And I believe this is focused on tobr barrels, for tobr owners. And simply providing your serial or order number would negate the "other people putting them in their bubble gum gun" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Or maybe it's because they don't want people putting the barrels in whatever crap $18.95 sale upper they can find then bitching that LaRue should make their Franken gun run <moa. As for the multi marked lower, just buy a complete upper, viola, multiple calibers with the lower. And I believe this is focused on tobr barrels, for tobr owners. And simply providing your serial or order number would negate the "other people putting them in their bubble gum gun" Maybe I can post photos later that show the distinct difference in depth of the bolt faces between the LaRue and the Lantac...... Gun runs like a dream with the LaRue bolt, but doesn't run at all with the Lantac bolt due to. FTE issues.... And yes, I removed the 'O' rings one at a time from the Lantac extractor. |
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Im just going to put in a vote for offering more calibers for the tobr.. Is that a reasonable statement to make? I am not saying that anyone is entitled to them or trying to tell Larue how to do business, but I for one, would love to see more calibers for the tobr. I do not own one, as i cannot afford it at this point in my life... but I can tell you, when the time comes for me to purchase a precision semi-auto it will be a lot easier to justify the added cost of the Tobr if extra calibers are offered. Ideally id like one in 762 and 556. I own several Larue barrels and a a stealth V1 upper and stealth V2 so Im not completely Larue-less.. Even if there was a big mark-up on sparrels for being compatible with the system...Id still be interested in buying them.. I like the idea of the multi-cal rifle for the sake of compactness and transporting one rifle more than for the potential cost savings.
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Well, Mark LaRue himself spoke about additional barrels in alternate calibers so I think that feature was a huge selling point. It was to me. There was specific talk about 338 federal, 7-08, etc. And capable 25-08s have been seen in the wild so... This isn't a complaint about how business is run. I understand that things just have to be a certain way. But the OP is correct as well View Quote |
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I think we will all see other caliber barrels for the tobr's,the question is really more of a when or what year sort of thing. I'm guessing mark has too many irons in the fire and not enough skilled labor force to turn out everything we crave and maintain the quality standards his reputation is built on.
Hopefully a bunch of tobr barrels in other calibers hit the market along with m lock hand guards in all lengths for the tobr chassies |
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