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Posted: 1/10/2018 2:50:21 PM EST
[#1]
Please tell me that it takes glock mags and has a folding ar buffer brace on it.
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Posted: 1/10/2018 2:55:16 PM EST
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If you need a YouTube channel to review these just let me know
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2018 2:55:39 PM EST
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Posted: 1/10/2018 2:57:24 PM EST
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You should make lowers that accept Magpul Six8 PMAGs
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2018 3:12:35 PM EST
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somebody call fostech and tell them they need to get on that mp5 echo
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Posted: 1/10/2018 3:35:13 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158425/photo0-416053.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/158425/photo0-416054.jpg This is a "raw" preview of Shot Show 2018! PSA MP5 clone |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 3:40:11 PM EST
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Mein Gott
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Posted: 1/10/2018 4:15:15 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By O1gagt:
As a no namer in the HK world, you are going to have to prove yourselves with quality out of the gate. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/10/2018 6:23:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strycnine:
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Posted: 1/10/2018 6:39:05 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopherboy128:
There is a price-point at which people will gamble on a no-name. Sell like hotcakes below $1k, and if the quality is poor, by the time word on the street is out, they'll be sold out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopherboy128:
Originally Posted By O1gagt:
As a no namer in the HK world, you are going to have to prove yourselves with quality out of the gate. You get real good at fixing these guns. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 8:33:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined: Thanks for the quick response @PalmettoStateArmory Follow up questions: 1. Will PSA use all newly made parts or will some surplus / parts kits parts be used? 2. Will the PSA variant be designed to be compatible with MP5/MP5K parts / accessories? (This question basically is meant to answer two questions - will it be the same roller delayed blowback design and will you build them to spec?) 3. Will PSA be making their own magazines? 4. Does your design use the traditional sear ready design (semi auto shelf, as shown in the pictures, no obstruction in the receiver to prevent the use of a full auto bolt carrier) or will it follow the approach that MKE and POF used (cannot use a full auto carrier)? 5. Would it be possible to convey the following message to whomever is assembling these? "He who grinds down bolt to fix bolt gap caused by mistakes made when pressing barrel deserves to die in a fire." (Feel free to change "he" to "she" or whatever your corporate policy is on use of gender in communications) Good questions to be answered |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:27:03 PM EST
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Man, if this MP5 took Glock mags (or CZ scorpion mags as a backup option) that would be glorious.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:29:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mm_:
You should make lowers that accept Magpul Six8 PMAGs What would be really clever would be a PSA Six5 that is designed like the LWRC Six8, but with 30rd polymer Magpul 6.5 Grendel mags. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 9:37:32 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Man, if this MP5 took Glock mags (or CZ scorpion mags as a backup option) that would be glorious. All of this talk about Glock mags or CZ scorpion mags.... it's like asking about putting Kia or Hyundai wheels on a Mercedes or BMW. |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:29:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
@Undefined We do not know who Todd Bailey is and have never talked to him. So, no, neither him nor any company he owns including Omega is involved in this project. For your second question, this is a completely in-house project we have been working on for a few years. PTR has no involvement in this project. Thanks, Josiah |
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Posted: 1/10/2018 10:36:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopherboy128:
I just had it repeated to me by someone that knows Todd, he isn't involved. I apologize for doubting you earlier. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopherboy128:
Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
@Undefined We do not know who Todd Bailey is and have never talked to him. So, no, neither him nor any company he owns including Omega is involved in this project. For your second question, this is a completely in-house project we have been working on for a few years. PTR has no involvement in this project. Thanks, Josiah A purely PSA (or PSA contracting with other firms, under NDA, that are not related to the unpleasant legacy of a certain family) built clone would be a wonderful product to bring to market. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2018 12:43:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined: How about this MP5 take MP5 mags.... and PSA make some quality MP5 for a good price? All of this talk about Glock mags or CZ scorpion mags.... it's like asking about putting Kia or Hyundai wheels on a Mercedes or BMW. MP5 mags are between $50-$70, and are steel. Glock 33rd mags are readily available and $25, while CZ mags are fully transparent polymer and available for $20. And there's a lot more of them, should a ban occur sometime in the future. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 1:55:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
It's a PSA MP5 clone made for the US market - not the 100% pure Bavarian phenotype. MP5 mags are between $50-$70, and are steel. Glock 33rd mags are readily available and $25, while CZ mags are fully transparent polymer and available for $20. And there's a lot more of them, should a ban occur sometime in the future. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Originally Posted By Undefined: How about this MP5 take MP5 mags.... and PSA make some quality MP5 for a good price? All of this talk about Glock mags or CZ scorpion mags.... it's like asking about putting Kia or Hyundai wheels on a Mercedes or BMW. MP5 mags are between $50-$70, and are steel. Glock 33rd mags are readily available and $25, while CZ mags are fully transparent polymer and available for $20. And there's a lot more of them, should a ban occur sometime in the future. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2018 2:00:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: It's a PSA MP5 clone made for the US market - not the 100% pure Bavarian phenotype. MP5 mags are between $50-$70, and are steel. Glock 33rd mags are readily available and $25, while CZ mags are fully transparent polymer and available for $20. And there's a lot more of them, should a ban occur sometime in the future. Also, cant say im surprised that this thread has been overrun by the PSA MP5 speculations. Though Im slowly remembering that it was meant for product ideas that PSA was curious about us wanting... Unless this was a clever ploy to reveal the PSA MP5 prior to shotshow 18, without outright saying, "HEY GUYS, WE HERE AT PSA ARE MAKING MP5S!!!" |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:47:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
How about this MP5 take MP5 mags.... and PSA make some quality MP5 for a good price? All of this talk about Glock mags or CZ scorpion mags.... it's like asking about putting Kia or Hyundai wheels on a Mercedes or BMW. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Man, if this MP5 took Glock mags (or CZ scorpion mags as a backup option) that would be glorious. All of this talk about Glock mags or CZ scorpion mags.... it's like asking about putting Kia or Hyundai wheels on a Mercedes or BMW. -Scorpion mags life is still in question, so they are a crap choice to begin with for some company dropping huge money. -if you look at the angle a Glock magazine is in a gun, you can see why it wont work for an MP5. Not enough space between the lower and the chamber for the mag to sit at the angle it needs to. The whole "make it take Glock mags!" is a cancer in the firearms community....especially when people have no idea what it actually takes. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 7:47:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: Slimjim]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: It's a PSA MP5 clone made for the US market - not the 100% pure Bavarian phenotype. MP5 mags are between $50-$70, and are steel. Glock 33rd mags are readily available and $25, while CZ mags are fully transparent polymer and available for $20. And there's a lot more of them, should a ban occur sometime in the future. Sounds like the Keltec Sub2k or ruger PC9 would be better suited for your budget. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 9:47:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
I doubt that would be Kosher since I'm pretty sure LWRC paid to have those developed. What would be really clever would be a PSA Six5 that is designed like the LWRC Six8, but with 30rd polymer Magpul 6.5 Grendel mags. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Originally Posted By 10mm_:
You should make lowers that accept Magpul Six8 PMAGs What would be really clever would be a PSA Six5 that is designed like the LWRC Six8, but with 30rd polymer Magpul 6.5 Grendel mags. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2018 4:35:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slimjim: Actually theyre between $30-$70.00 although we understand if all you can afford to buy are glock mags, perhaps the MP5 isnt for you. Because there are things like 400.00 boot carriers and 250.00 complete grip frame (lower) assembly. Sounds like the Keltec Sub2k or ruger PC9 would be better suited for your budget. So it's not exactly putting economy gas in the Rolls heresy to suggest that a budget, mass market MP5 use budget, mass market magazines. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2018 7:07:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcbif:
The whole "make it take Glock mags!" is a cancer in the firearms community....especially when people have no idea what it actually takes. Nobody is really actually stupid enough to want an MP5 that take Glock mags. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2018 8:49:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BubbaShootz:
ALG Go-Juice and the ALG Very Thin Grease in the brick and mortar stores for us locals....... shouldn't be a problem since y'all are a Geissele dealer. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 9:08:44 PM EST
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well I need to start saving
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2018 9:08:52 PM EST
[#27]
OK, MP5 for 2018, then how about a US made FAL rifle for 2019. DSA is your only competition.
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Posted: 1/11/2018 9:20:15 PM EST
[#28]
Don't know if it's been said, but a 13.5 in PA10 pistol kit would be sweet
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2018 11:32:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: Wandering_minstrel]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sanlanman:
OK, MP5 for 2018, then how about a US made FAL rifle for 2019. DSA is your only competition. Also, could you guys get the Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm pistols back in stock and with a smoking deal like the Sig P320 you nearly made me buy last night? *Edit* For anyone curious, its normally $500, was on sale for $360. |
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Posted: 1/12/2018 6:08:15 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
SofakingIN! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2018 8:44:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sanlanman:
OK, MP5 for 2018, then how about a US made FAL rifle for 2019. DSA is your only competition. Also, maybe they should chill on the new platforms- AK didn't work. AR-AK thing didn't work, PA-10 didn't work, AR-9 with LRBHO didn't work... do we need to see if both HK AND FAL will work??? PSA is learning (the hard way) what CAI learned (also... the hard way). Sub it out to someone who has already demonstrated success. Modding mag wells on WASRs did not go well for CAI. Building FALs did not go well for CAI. When they got their hands on the HK-33 kits from Singapore and Malaysia, they subbed them all out and the builds are very good. All of the C-93 pistols went to Vector, and those are excellent. AR-9 for PSA recently became a success when they teamed with NFA. AR-22 will likely be a success for them in 2018, because they teamed with CMMG. PSA should not want to team with Blackthorne, Black Market Parts, Special Weapons, Bobcat, Tactical Weapons Training (Academy), Top Notch Accessories, Cohaire Arms, Cohaire Ordnance Factory, Omega Arms, Acme Parts, BCH Manufacturing or any Bailey company. If PTR has success, PSA should consider teaming with them. |
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Posted: 1/12/2018 9:26:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: Slimjim]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: While I appreciate the high horse sentiment there, this is a PSA MP5 clone - presumably designed to offer a affordable MP5 at cost below existing clones on the market. So it's not exactly putting economy gas in the Rolls heresy to suggest that a budget, mass market MP5 use budget, mass market magazines. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2018 2:41:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slimjim: Well, its not really a MP5 if it takes glock mags, is it? An AUG with a NATO stock that modifies it to taker AR15 mags is still an AUG. A 5.56 AK with an aftermarket magwell to take AR15 mags is still an AK. If Lone Wolf made a Glock frame that took CZ 75 mags, but still used a Glock slide, trigger, etc - it would still be a Glock. Is it really that different then the MP5 with a straight mag? 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2018 7:53:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Is it really that different then the MP5 with a straight mag? Single feed would require a different bolt design... and US made MP5s have a bad success rate trying to copy the original HK bolt design. This is not something in PSA's lane. If you are merely talking about simple aesthetics, which I suspect you are, then obviously it's not going to look like an MP5 with a straight mag, because the base of the round would be far too low for any bolt to feed. Imagine a mag well more parallel to the front face of the trigger guard, mirroring (shock!) the feed angle of an actual Glock. |
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Posted: 1/13/2018 9:04:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Why wouldn't it be? An AUG with a NATO stock that modifies it to taker AR15 mags is still an AUG. A 5.56 AK with an aftermarket magwell to take AR15 mags is still an AK. If Lone Wolf made a Glock frame that took CZ 75 mags, but still used a Glock slide, trigger, etc - it would still be a Glock. Is it really that different then the MP5 with a straight mag? https://gunmagwarehouse.com/media/wysiwyg/blog_images/Nick/FullSizeRender_1.jpg 
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Posted: 1/13/2018 9:27:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Why wouldn't it be? An AUG with a NATO stock that modifies it to taker AR15 mags is still an AUG. A 5.56 AK with an aftermarket magwell to take AR15 mags is still an AK. If Lone Wolf made a Glock frame that took CZ 75 mags, but still used a Glock slide, trigger, etc - it would still be a Glock. Is it really that different then the MP5 with a straight mag? https://gunmagwarehouse.com/media/wysiwyg/blog_images/Nick/FullSizeRender_1.jpg Anyway @Palmettostatearmory Don't listen to the Haters out there, you're doing a great job bringing a semi auto MP5 to the market on a mass produced scale, You've got the MP5 guys worried that their club isnt going to be exclusive to those with deep pockets anymore. I'll be saving up for a K configuration, that takes MP5 mags :) |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2018 2:23:06 PM EST
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i have a feeling that PSA will surprise a lot of people with this.
My worries are quality, and reliability. those have , have, HAVE to be a home run out of the gate. We've seen sub optimal launches in the KS47 AK47 , and many others, that said, if they nail this out the gate, it will turn many folks opinions fast hopefully, changeing the whole market. someone above said team with PTR. I say have JSE Acquire PTR, and begin a lifelong teamup that way. I'd love to see PSA produce FALs that rival the old SPringfield SAR. With FN so close, maybe having a partnership again with them on this would help? (speculation on my part) Price, for the PSA Mp5 is going to be crucial, but that is yet to be seen. Because of PSA's being the low price leader there is an issue with the customer base willingness and ability to spend 1500-2k for one. I'd hope for half that in price point, but thats me dreaming. I also dont know when they will have these available for the public, but unless they sponsor me, its gonna be a while for me cause of medical bills sadly. :( These should in NO way take any mag other than MP5 mags. to think otherwise is sacrilege. |
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Posted: 1/13/2018 4:16:26 PM EST
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I've seen your deals for the phosphate bolt and D-60 drum, could you change it up and do a NiB bolt and D-60 drum? I'd be all over that
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2018 4:36:20 PM EST
[#39]
Stripped Billet upper receivers please.
lowers might not be bad too. more ks47 lowers and uppers stripped too. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2018 5:07:35 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
@Undefined We do not know who Todd Bailey is and have never talked to him. So, no, neither him nor any company he owns including Omega is involved in this project. |
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Posted: 1/13/2018 10:53:23 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Why wouldn't it be? An AUG with a NATO stock that modifies it to taker AR15 mags is still an AUG. A 5.56 AK with an aftermarket magwell to take AR15 mags is still an AK. If Lone Wolf made a Glock frame that took CZ 75 mags, but still used a Glock slide, trigger, etc - it would still be a Glock. Is it really that different then the MP5 with a straight mag? https://gunmagwarehouse.com/media/wysiwyg/blog_images/Nick/FullSizeRender_1.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Originally Posted By Slimjim: Well, its not really a MP5 if it takes glock mags, is it? An AUG with a NATO stock that modifies it to taker AR15 mags is still an AUG. A 5.56 AK with an aftermarket magwell to take AR15 mags is still an AK. If Lone Wolf made a Glock frame that took CZ 75 mags, but still used a Glock slide, trigger, etc - it would still be a Glock. Is it really that different then the MP5 with a straight mag? https://gunmagwarehouse.com/media/wysiwyg/blog_images/Nick/FullSizeRender_1.jpg An MP5 straight magazine is still an MP5 magazine, just as a Glock drum is still a glock magazine. |
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Posted: 1/13/2018 11:19:59 PM EST
[#42]
I will volunteer my services as a beta tester for PSA
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Posted: 1/14/2018 11:00:08 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined: Thanks for the quick response @PalmettoStateArmory Follow up questions: ***snip 2. Will the PSA variant be designed to be compatible with MP5/MP5K parts / accessories? (This question basically is meant to answer two questions - will it be the same roller delayed blowback design and will you build them to spec?) 3. Will PSA be making their own magazines? If it is roller delayed, My suggestion for a new product, is to make and sell a delayed upper to work with your existing colt and glock pattern Ar9 lowers. If you can do this, you won't be able to make the uppers fast enough. The USPSA PCC crowd alone will swamp you with backorders |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2018 2:04:47 PM EST
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another product suggestion, which isnt really a material product, but more of a customer service related product is :
Bring back lay a way in stores. Pie in the sky : make your site better to be like buds gun shop and offer 90 and 180 day lay away programs online as well. |
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Posted: 1/14/2018 3:47:53 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Piledriver2235:
Really interested in seeing these answered. If its straight blowback you can keep it. If it is roller delayed, My suggestion for a new product, is to make and sell a delayed upper to work with your existing colt and glock pattern Ar9 lowers. If you can do this, you won't be able to make the uppers fast enough. The USPSA PCC crowd alone will swamp you with backorders Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Piledriver2235:
Originally Posted By Undefined: Thanks for the quick response @PalmettoStateArmory Follow up questions: ***snip 2. Will the PSA variant be designed to be compatible with MP5/MP5K parts / accessories? (This question basically is meant to answer two questions - will it be the same roller delayed blowback design and will you build them to spec?) 3. Will PSA be making their own magazines? If it is roller delayed, My suggestion for a new product, is to make and sell a delayed upper to work with your existing colt and glock pattern Ar9 lowers. If you can do this, you won't be able to make the uppers fast enough. The USPSA PCC crowd alone will swamp you with backorders  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/14/2018 5:23:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCUrk:
Originally Posted By Piledriver2235:
Originally Posted By Undefined: Thanks for the quick response @PalmettoStateArmory Follow up questions: ***snip 2. Will the PSA variant be designed to be compatible with MP5/MP5K parts / accessories? (This question basically is meant to answer two questions - will it be the same roller delayed blowback design and will you build them to spec?) 3. Will PSA be making their own magazines? If it is roller delayed, My suggestion for a new product, is to make and sell a delayed upper to work with your existing colt and glock pattern Ar9 lowers. If you can do this, you won't be able to make the uppers fast enough. The USPSA PCC crowd alone will swamp you with backorders
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Posted: 1/14/2018 5:39:19 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Piledriver2235:
Really interested in seeing these answered. If its straight blowback you can keep it. If it is roller delayed, My suggestion for a new product, is to make and sell a delayed upper to work with your existing colt and glock pattern Ar9 lowers. If you can do this, you won't be able to make the uppers fast enough. The USPSA PCC crowd alone will swamp you with backorders Is your intent for them to come out with an AR-15 upper receiver that is roller delayed (instead of straight blowback, piston driven, or direct impingement)? |
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Posted: 1/14/2018 7:26:06 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
If they are already going to be making a MP5, why try to mate a roller delayed upper with an AR lower? If you really want an AR grip, there's an existing MP5 lower that takes one. If it is the AR stock you want, there's an existing MP5 buttplate that takes AR stocks. If you want an AR trigger group, Brethren Arms designed a lower that will take them. Is your intent for them to come out with an AR-15 upper receiver that is roller delayed (instead of straight blowback, piston driven, or direct impingement)? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By Piledriver2235:
Really interested in seeing these answered. If its straight blowback you can keep it. If it is roller delayed, My suggestion for a new product, is to make and sell a delayed upper to work with your existing colt and glock pattern Ar9 lowers. If you can do this, you won't be able to make the uppers fast enough. The USPSA PCC crowd alone will swamp you with backorders Is your intent for them to come out with an AR-15 upper receiver that is roller delayed (instead of straight blowback, piston driven, or direct impingement)? Delayed blowback has many advantages over Blowback. CMMG is making a radial delayed upper, but it is pretty dependent on using their Guard lower unless you want to make some modifications. It looks like you can make them work with a Glock mag AR lower with minor modifications. Making them work with Colt mags may be possible, but I haven't seen anything definite yet. As cool as the PSA Mp5 is (I'd probably buy one) If they'd come out with a delayed blowback that would be as simple as push two pins on your existing 9mm AR lower, I think it'd sell like hotcakes. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2018 8:58:14 PM EST
[#49]
PSA MP5 - check
PSA Uzi/mini Uzi - ? Roller lock AR upper - ? 9mm AK - ? Colt style slick side uppers with deflector and dust cover on your 9mm builds. |
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Posted: 1/14/2018 9:10:15 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: PA-10 didn't work, . |
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