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Sorry, I just noticed that the buyer edited his post to say that he had requested and received a refund from the seller. He must have already read this discussion and noticed the discrepancy. I know there are a few sellers who got taken themselves by the original supplier(s).
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Quoted: top picture is a fake bottom picture is GTG View Quote |
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Hexxus, the GB seller I bought the bottom one from said it was taken off a circa 2004 Colt Tactical Carbine, so that fits. That works perfectly for the clone I’m building of my issued M4. I called the Colt historian, and he said my serial number was produced in 2004, the year before it was issued to me.
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Figured I’d add to the discussion. My good buddy purchased a Stag Arms “Blem” lower directly from their website and when he received it I assembled it quick, handed it off and forgot about it. Eventually being the MK12 cloner I am I looked it over more closely later on and noticed it was raised C and cerro forge marked. Until I ran my fingernail across it today. Another fake. Can’t believe what people will do for a couple extra bucks. The C crumbled with little effort.
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I fairly recently purched a raised C upper from a forum member and stuck it in a drawer for a future build. After seeing this thread, I decided to run my finger nail across the C and it flaked right off with little effort at all. It mirrors the other fakes listed in this thread.
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Mark me down as another dude who was duped. After recently finding this thread I realized I had one of these uppers which I purchased from Integrity Arms back in November. The "C" scraped right off with very little effort. I contacted Integrity Arms twice to see if I could get a refund and haven't heard anything hack. I also tried to leave a 1 star review on their website on the page where the have these uppers and of course it didn't show up. I guess only 5 star reviews are allowed. Live and learn I guess.
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I haven't been following this thread, but was browsing YouTube and came across this video of some guy unboxing a 6920; uploaded 9/14/19. Check out his upper:
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Another fake just sold on the EE...??
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/Colt-M4-Upper-Receiver/159-1923937/ |
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Another fake just sold on the EE...?? https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/Colt-M4-Upper-Receiver/159-1923937/ View Quote |
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Another fake just sold on the EE...?? https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/Colt-M4-Upper-Receiver/159-1923937/ View Quote |
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Adding some more data points...
Received a Colt LE6960 CCU upper from brownells with infamous "raised" C and keyhole. Has M4 engraved, painted white T marks, and heavy dry-film lube coating on interior. The forging, machining, fit & finish, anodizing, and small parts (FA and dust cover) are identical to a square forge upper from another LE6960 CCU upper I also purchased from brownells a few months ago. That upper had no C stamp or cage code, just the BAFE/square forge. |
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That's mine. After reading this entire thread I checked and sure enough was able to pick off the "C" . Does have the fugazy "M4" font. Everything else appears legit, SOCOM barrel and side sling mount as far as I can tell, but this is my first Colt. I am going to email the company I bought it from and see what they say. https://i.imgur.com/hWNAchB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wZhDDGB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qzLUAXm.jpg View Quote |
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That's mine. After reading this entire thread I checked and sure enough was able to pick off the "C" . Does have the fugazy "M4" font. Everything else appears legit, SOCOM barrel and side sling mount as far as I can tell, but this is my first Colt. I am going to email the company I bought it from and see what they say. https://i.imgur.com/hWNAchB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wZhDDGB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qzLUAXm.jpg View Quote |
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Was this rifle supposed to be new? I ask because I saw some silver showing on the delta ring in the pictures in the other thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That's mine. After reading this entire thread I checked and sure enough was able to pick off the "C" . Does have the fugazy "M4" font. Everything else appears legit, SOCOM barrel and side sling mount as far as I can tell, but this is my first Colt. I am going to email the company I bought it from and see what they say. https://i.imgur.com/hWNAchB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wZhDDGB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qzLUAXm.jpg |
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Some corrosion isn't out of the question since every rifle gets test fired before leaving the factory. If it sat in storage for a while at Colts warehouse or the distributor for several months it could potentially rust. Show her some TLC and it will be good.
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Some corrosion isn't out of the question since every rifle gets test fired before leaving the factory. If it sat in storage for a while at Colts warehouse or the distributor for several months it could potentially rust. Show her some TLC and it will be good. View Quote |
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wait, you have a new in the box SOCOM and were able to chip off the forge mark with your finger nail? Did anyone with a supposed fake receiver ever do a test to see if maybe the aluminum was brittle?
Years ago like in 05 or something ADCO had a bunch of Colt take off m4 uppers they blew out supper cheap, back when Colt uppers were almost like hens teeth. These uppers were take offs because they were clamped in a vice for the barrel removal like they were to be scrapped, and also advertised as take offs. You could see the marks on them. I bought one and cracked the front at the indexing slot when I went to install a barrel with little effort. Im speculating here but I think the uppers ADCO had were taken off because of a defect in the aluminum and were probably supposed to be scrapped . |
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What’s funny is these receivers are now showing up from Colt. I highly doubt someone took a new socom and swapped out a different receiver.
Same with the the 6960 upper bought from Brownells mentioned above. So the real question is where did they come? |
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I emailed the company about it and they said they got the rifle directly from Colt.
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ok fellas. I went home last night and took a FN commercial upper that I have had for several years that has the key hole forge mark, and I was able to chip off the bottom part of the mark with ease using the thumb nail.
I think that this is normal and until now no one has ever tried to do it. |
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Are the raised C and keyhole forge markings the only culprits for being fake? I have two le6920s coming in this week but they have the stamped C and square forge markings. I don't know the correct term for that or when colt introduced that to their uppers. Both have cage coded barrels.
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Are the raised C and keyhole forge markings the only culprits for being fake? I have two le6920s coming in this week but they have the stamped C and square forge markings. I don't know the correct term for that or when colt introduced that to their uppers. Both have cage coded barrels. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/452498/received_2514543348761242_jpeg-1223238.JPG View Quote |
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Are the raised C and keyhole forge markings the only culprits for being fake? I have two le6920s coming in this week but they have the stamped C and square forge markings. I don't know the correct term for that or when colt introduced that to their uppers. Both have cage coded barrels. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/452498/received_2514543348761242_jpeg-1223238.JPG View Quote |
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So are you saying BAFE made these markings. I'm unfamiliar with forge markings. I think i saw a forum post talking about what each means View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: Thanks tig. It took me a long time to understand this thread. I mainly wanted to know what each code marking meant. I'm only familiar with the C cerro and keyhole markings on my old m4. View Quote |
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What’s funny is these receivers are now showing up from Colt. I highly doubt someone took a new socom and swapped out a different receiver. Same with the the 6960 upper bought from Brownells mentioned above. So the real question is where did they come? View Quote |
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Hey guys, I've got a couple of uppers my LGS states are unmarked Colt, they have the Raise C and Keyhole forge, stamped M4 and embossed t marks. T marks are not white but I've tried to scratch off the C and keyhole with no avail..they said they bought them in bulk and are new old stock. Who can help me out and tell me if they're legit or not?
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Hey guys, I've got a couple of uppers my LGS states are unmarked Colt, they have the Raise C and Keyhole forge, stamped M4 and embossed t marks. T marks are not white but I've tried to scratch off the C and keyhole with no avail..they said they bought them in bulk and are new old stock. Who can help me out and tell me if they're legit or not? Upper pics View Quote |
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sure... https://geissele.com/colt-mil-spec-upper-receiver-with-ejection-port-and-forward-assist.html View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The fact that they do not have the upper completion parts is suspect in itself. Colt does not sell stripped upper receivers. https://geissele.com/colt-mil-spec-upper-receiver-with-ejection-port-and-forward-assist.html But at this point, nothing Colt is going to surprise me. Apparently all bets are off now that commercial sales of complete guns are halted? Edit: Link now only shows complete upper receivers with parts installed. |
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The fact that they do not have the upper completion parts is suspect in itself. Colt does not sell stripped upper receivers. View Quote Quoted:
sure... https://geissele.com/colt-mil-spec-upper-receiver-with-ejection-port-and-forward-assist.html View Quote Quoted:
First that I've seen to date. But at this point, nothing Colt is going to surprise me. Apparently all bets are off now that commercial sales of complete guns are halted? View Quote The uppers that RescueMedic5b posted a link to his photos of above are true stripped uppers with no forward assist or dust cover installed, and also no white T-marks. I haven't seen confirmation that Colt sells their uppers that way, and those seem to be the key characteristics of many of the uppers that people report as "questionable." That's not to say that Colt has never let uppers out of the factory like that, but it just seems like an outlier. Back to the topic at hand - I'm not sure what to think at this point, since it looks like some of the "questionable" Colt Cerro keyhole uppers have been showing up on factory rifles. However, the one trend that I see is that the ones that suffer from the forge marks breaking off have a different placement of the markings than early-2000s raised C uppers and "real" C-stamped uppers. Early 2000s raised C Cerro uppers have the keyhole located under the last (most rearward) notch in the top rail like this: Attached File My 2003-production Army-issued M4 shows the same placement (Matech sight mounted on last slot): Attached File This can be seen on both CAGE code and stamped C Cerro uppers like the ones in this photo posted a couple pages back: The raised C Cerro uppers that people have had forge marks flake off of always have the keyhole placed below the second notch from the rear like this: Attached File After all the back and forth in this topic, I think it's possible that a batch of Colt Cerro uppers were produced recently that may have some sort of issue with the raised forge marks being prone to breaking off. Since the older raised C uppers have been out of production for almost 15 years, having been replaced by stamped C uppers on military and commercial rifles, and then later CAGE code uppers, it seems likely that Cerro would have produced a new mold (die?) for these raised C uppers that has the markings located differently. Since I'm only interested in raised-C uppers for the purpose of cloning my early-2000s era issued M4s, I'm going to continue to look for the ones with the raised C and keyhole placed in the location in my first two photos. That seems like a good way to avoid the flaking forge marks at the same time. |
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Does anyone have a contact at Colt they can ask about these? If they're appearing on Colt Socoms I feel they should be able to at least say if they are commercial grade uppers, fakes, or just a new batch of uppers they will be using for military guns/parts. Anyone got an email contact at Colt? The ones I have emailed years ago no longer work there apparently.
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Does anyone have a contact at Colt they can ask about these? If they're appearing on Colt Socoms I feel they should be able to at least say if they are commercial grade uppers, fakes, or just a new batch of uppers they will be using for military guns/parts. Anyone got an email contact at Colt? The ones I have emailed years ago no longer work there apparently. View Quote And I have never gotten an absolute answer on much from Colt personally. |
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Quoted: I thought what Tigwelder was saying was that Colt doesn't sell true stripped uppers, using the more common definition of an upper receiver that has no forward assist or dust cover installed when it leaves the factory. I've seen plenty of complete Colt upper receivers for sale (not to be confused with upper receiver groups that include a barrel). Thoroughbred Armaments has been selling Colt upper receivers for while, both C-stamped and CAGE code (although they sold out of all of them a couple months ago). I don't really count Geissele when saying that Colt doesn't sell uppers, because I think Geissele has a special arrangement to buy Colt components (and Surefire 4-prongs) as part of their URG-I program. The uppers that RescueMedic5b posted a link to his photos of above are true stripped uppers with no forward assist or dust cover installed, and also no white T-marks. I haven't seen confirmation that Colt sells their uppers that way, and those seem to be the key characteristics of many of the uppers that people report as "questionable." That's not to say that Colt has never let uppers out of the factory like that, but it just seems like an outlier. View Quote Funny thing.....clicking on the G link today shows only completed upper receivers. (I could have sworn it previously showed true stripped uppers w/o completion parts installed in one view??) Or maybe it was pre caffeine google eyeing? |
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Any Colt contact is dead end for me it seems. And I have never gotten an absolute answer on much from Colt personally. View Quote |
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Another discrepency giveaway besides the m4 gas tube marking and keyhole placement (in regards to the picatinny slot) is that the upper shelf line above the C and keyhole doesn't extend all the way to the rear of the receiver either. It looks like it ends just slightly after where the picatinny portion ends. I have c stamped square (brass) and cerro forge, as well as cage coded brass and cerro forge uppers, and none are like that.
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