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I went ahead and picked at my forgery I previously posted and the keyhole started coming off too.
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Quoted: Don’t forget that colt stopped using the raised C more that 12 years ago.. Unless those uppers come in a colt sealed bag with mfg date on it I’d consider them fakes.. View Quote The virus is growing: gunbroker listing from AR Parts Store "brand new stripped Colt upper receiver assembly. Part number SP63528 (*minus the forward assist and port cover*) These are all C marked uppers. The hard to find ones with teh raised C, not engraved C. You wont find a better deal on these ...IF you can even find them in stock." Don't know this guy. Seems to sell a number of Colt and Rock River parts. |
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That’s where I got mine. Buy with caution. He received them back last Wednesday, I’m still waiting on my refund.
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That’s where I got mine. Buy with caution. He received them back last Wednesday, I’m still waiting on my refund. View Quote Keep us posted on the refund. |
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where are these coming from? Nobody who is reselling -- correct me if I am wrong -- has said, "I got these from View Quote But here, all at once, an influx of new "contract over run raised C Colt" reveivers. I'm not buying this shit. And anybody selling them here should step up with their source/s, IMO. |
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Quoted: I'll say it again, perfect timing for these to hit market. Wirh Colt focusing on contract orders rather than commercial sales, the bullshit situation with Colts anodizers, most sources are slim to none. But here, all at once, an influx of new "contract over run raised C Colt" reveivers. I'm not buying this shit. And anybody selling them here should step up with their source/s, IMO. View Quote |
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The sad thing is, there are people here who have no morals and are in knowledge of the illegitimacy of these uppers and are still foaming at the mouth to sell the ones they have because they are easy money to unwitting or uninformed buyers. If you sell these without disclosing that there is a very high chance that they are fake, I firmly believe you should be removed from the EE.
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If they're intentionally being deceptive, then absolutely. BAN! Tough to prove intent though, many people are good at playing dumb.
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If they're intentionally being deceptive, then absolutely. BAN! Tough to prove intent though, many people are good at playing dumb. View Quote Unfortunately, lack of absolute proof positive and/or the "I didn't know" card make it a fuckey issue to hit head on. I've just been messaging members this thread link in private as a heads up when I see a post in the EE. They will have to decide for themselves. |
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EE Mods are aware. Unfortunately, lack of absolute proof positive and/or the "I didn't know" card make it a fuckey issue to hit head on. I've just been messaging members this thread link in private as a heads up when I see a post in the EE. They will have to decide for themselves. View Quote |
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EE Mods are aware. Unfortunately, lack of absolute proof positive and/or the "I didn't know" card make it a fuckey issue to hit head on. I've just been messaging members this thread link in private as a heads up when I see a post in the EE. They will have to decide for themselves. |
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Agreed, I was minutes away from purchasing one and saw that another buyer was asking for a refund. I reached out to him and he was kind enough to point me in this direction and save me the headache. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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EE Mods are aware. Unfortunately, lack of absolute proof positive and/or the "I didn't know" card make it a fuckey issue to hit head on. I've just been messaging members this thread link in private as a heads up when I see a post in the EE. They will have to decide for themselves. Best just to look out for each other where we can, IMO. |
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Appreciate your efforts @Tigwelder1971!
Also, thanks to everyone for contributing to this thread. |
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Nobody likes getting ripped off. Some do not mind doing it. Best just to look out for each other where we can, IMO. View Quote |
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I spoke to Colt representatives by telephone today. The official response was that comment could not be made publicly over the telephone and that I needed to send a post marked letter to the Colt legal division for clarification and I would receive a response back in writing.
Unofficial response: Fake. |
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I spoke to Colt representatives by telephone today. The official response was that comment could not be made publicly over the telephone and that I needed to send a post marked letter to the Colt legal division for clarification and I would receive a response back in writing. Unofficial response: Fake. View Quote |
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Personally, I am less concerned about getting ripped off. I am more concerned about forgeries flitting about as real items for others and shit kicking the scamsters out there. I do believe these are coming from Asia. Nothing solid, but I have picked up some threads that suggest this is an illegal import / airsoft type copy. Not suggesting it is airsoft proper, but you know how there are those Chinese and Malaysian knock-offs that are sold for the real thing. View Quote |
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Quoted: Are there any threads w/ pics of forged uppers from Asia? Honestly, outside of the "C" and "Cerro" markings flaking off, the upper looks pretty darn good! I bought (2) uppers from EE about 3-4 years ago and they don't look nearly as good as these, with a lot of the various bumps in odd shapes/placement. These look just like any other "square/O/Anchor Harvey" forged upper I've seen. View Quote Both lacks forgin markings and T marks. Norincos usually are poorly machined and are easy to ID vs US made products.. the SDM are well machined instead. In both case I’m not even sure they are forged and made with 7075 aluminum.. they have to keep costs down somehow. Early Norincos (ugly m16a1 clones) were made of 6061 Al. |
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Response from Cerro. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4glxhjud19u1pw9/Cerro%20Forge%20Reply.png?raw=1 I offered to send one of the uppers to Cerro for their evaluation for the benefit of end users and for their benefit as a forger, but my offer was not accepted. View Quote |
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I feel like that’s a tough call without them actually having hands on the receiver. All of my Cerro uppers are the same, except these two. They are clearly from different forgings. I think someone posted pics earlier in the thread showing the differences in the uppers. Again, tough call for them. I’m hesitant to take the advice from a CS person that hasn’t actually seen them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Response from Cerro. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4glxhjud19u1pw9/Cerro%20Forge%20Reply.png?raw=1 I offered to send one of the uppers to Cerro for their evaluation for the benefit of end users and for their benefit as a forger, but my offer was not accepted. I also asked if he had a good Colt contact to assist with this and I was told “I’m sorry but I really don’t have any contact at Colt that I can think of that would be able to help out with this issue.” |
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Quoted: I don’t disagree, however, there isn’t much I can do about it since they are unwilling to get hands on with one. I also asked if he had a good Colt contact to assist with this and I was told “I’m sorry but I really don’t have any contact at Colt that I can think of that would be able to help out with this issue.” View Quote |
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Quoted: ... Look at the right of the port door and how it angles, vs the typical cerro forge which is straight up and down. go pull out a normal BAFE forged upper and compare it to this picture. cerro has used the same mold since... forever. https://i.imgur.com/ktBYrH0.jpg View Quote I posted a picture on page 10 of a Colt cerro forge upper that has that "angle" to the right of the port door. I have two of them. |
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Quoted: I’ve handled only 2 Chinese brands of AR.. norinco and sdm. Both lacks forgin markings and T marks. Norincos usually are poorly machined and are easy to ID vs US made products.. the SDM are well machined instead. In both case I’m not even sure they are forged and made with 7075 aluminum.. they have to keep costs down somehow. Early Norincos (ugly m16a1 clones) were made of 6061 Al. View Quote |
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The C looks pretty good if it was added. I can’t pick it off with my finger. Should I try a knife? It has t marks but not white. I have more pics but it’s too much trouble to resize every fucking picture you want to post.
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Looks like another fake to me. Can you post a picture of the "M4" above the gas tube hole. Font makes it easy to tell too.
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Posted on another site. Apparently, purchased by an Air Force unit. New FN lower; poster thinks it may be an older upper they had in inventory. https://i.redd.it/s4rv04bufsl21.jpg View Quote Combat Diver posted other pics of the same receivers with FN cage code and/or FN sealed bag. I don’t think that C means Colt.. unless colt went back to raised C after +15 years. I think that C is part of the forge code. |
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That’s one of those “wrong font” C I keep having doubts about.. Combat Diver posted other pics of the same receivers with FN cage code and/or FN sealed bag. I don’t think that C means Colt.. unless colt went back to raised C after +15 years. I think that C is part of the forge code. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Posted on another site. Apparently, purchased by an Air Force unit. New FN lower; poster thinks it may be an older upper they had in inventory. https://i.redd.it/s4rv04bufsl21.jpg Combat Diver posted other pics of the same receivers with FN cage code and/or FN sealed bag. I don’t think that C means Colt.. unless colt went back to raised C after +15 years. I think that C is part of the forge code. The C surely stands for Colt, just as the F stands for FN. The fact that a receiver bears both marks is definitely fuckey. I would assume that it has something to do with both having a hand in .mil contract, sort of a "one size fits all" scenario. Final machining performed by a mutual third party approved .mil contract. Another speclation, Colt may have had an excess of these raw from the forge? Between the troubles with their main anodizer and employee layoffs/outsourcing, possibly forwarded to FN. Removal of the C would be a non issue as both parties have a hand in the .mil contract, so no C removal as with past contract overruns. But I am mostly guessing, as nothing seems consistent with either Colt or .mil. Reminiscent of this example: Not CD's pic, but another example of new mixed markings showing up: |
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The font is consistent with those of that era, nothing like the turds floating around now, thin and tall. View Quote all the C Ive owned/seen (not much compared to other members) were more or less fatter & tall. as for "that era" thing... CD posted one that came in a sealed FN bag with mfg date of 2016 if Im not mistaken; I think all of these are recent production. the carbine posted by infectedorganism looks brand new without a single scratch. They may be USGI replacement receivers but unless I see one in a Colt bag I wouldnt trust them. |
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Did ask around some guys in logistics about the issue. Seems allot of stuff is sent to FN to be put on guns and remarked. ie Surefire marked flash hinders in FN cage coded bags.
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I was at a show yesterday and was hoping to find a Colt upper at a reasonable price, but this discussion was nagging at me the whole time. I saw quite a few Cerro uppers for sale with no other forge mark, which I haven't seen before personally. They had T marks and M4 feedramps, but no M4 marking on the front of the receiver. I could see how that could be an opportunity for someone to stamp a C on the side, which would be much easier than adding the raised C, but I know that's not the main concern here.
I've been hoping to find a raised C Cerro upper for a while now, to clone the M4 that I carried in Iraq back in 2005, which obviously would have been an early production rifle. I'm not sure what a reasonable price would be for one, now combined with the risk of a forgery, but at least I'm pretty comfortable that I know what I'm looking for. Quoted:
CD's pic for reference: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/IMG_4708_JPG-792750_JPG-876989.jpg View Quote The other uppers seemed to have the C stamped either unevenly or misaligned with the forge mark. Again, it seems like that's not that unusual for Colt, but I was too gun shy after reading all this to take the risk. Three of the four uppers were also stripped, and I wasn't sure how common that is for Colt uppers sold separately, vs. complete take offs. The other unfortunate effect of all this is that it probably reinforces Colt's decision to stop selling separate lowers and other components. If someone is out there forging parts, Colt would probably see it as easier to refute the forgeries by saying that they don't offer those components for sale separately. |
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Three of the four uppers were also stripped, and I wasn't sure how common that is for Colt uppers sold separately, vs. complete take offs. View Quote |
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I’d just as well buy from SAW or Arms Unlimited , you know reputable Colt dealers .
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this has been posted in one of the clone threads...
another FN upper with an extra letter next to the cage code... I still think the C next to the FN cage we discussed earlier (posted by CD) does NOT stand for Colt. Quoted:
I didn’t take photos of the entire rifle, but these are brand new FN M4s our unit recently received. Being in a TRADOC, I was surprised we had these. https://i.ibb.co/QCzbrY6/96-B419-DC-F45-A-4846-A6-E5-E36178-E8-D215.jpg https://i.ibb.co/CBDT0Mh/A0-F8988-D-0-C7-B-47-B5-906-E-5-C6319-D8-A8-C1.jpg twa sisters lyrics View Quote |
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