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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:
https://i.imgur.com/pyNoa3D.jpg uhh help? donut in the neck. using a FL redding type s with a 287 bushing (no expander ball) and 1x fired Hornady brass. I understand the concept of using too much lube can cause problems but im not using any more than i have in the past. View Quote Is that what you're seeing or is it a bulge in the neck? |
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Bulge on the neck would be a better description.
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Guy on snipershide says it's normal for a bushing die to not size the whole neck? Seems weird to me but I'm new to this stuff anyway.
carry on, nothing to see here. |
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For what it's worth I emailed redding the picture and asked them about it and they said:
That is normal. Because of the chamfer found in the bushing it isn't possible to size any more than approximately 3/4 of the case neck in length. Many believe this unsized portion of the neck helps better center the case in the chamber, increasing accuracy. In fact you may experiment with sizing less of the neck. This can easily be accomplished by backing the decapping rod further away from the bushing. Thank you for using Redding Reloading Equipment. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:
For what it's worth I emailed redding the picture and asked them about it and they said: That is normal. Because of the chamfer found in the bushing it isn't possible to size any more than approximately 3/4 of the case neck in length. Many believe this unsized portion of the neck helps better center the case in the chamber, increasing accuracy. In fact you may experiment with sizing less of the neck. This can easily be accomplished by backing the decapping rod further away from the bushing. Thank you for using Redding Reloading Equipment. View Quote |
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My dies are Whidden if it matters.
On a side note the primer punch pin has fallen out a few times and I usually find it. Yesterday sizing unprimed brass it fell out again and is now lost. E-mailed them to see if I can get another. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:
For what it's worth I emailed redding the picture and asked them about it and they said: That is normal. Because of the chamfer found in the bushing it isn't possible to size any more than approximately 3/4 of the case neck in length. Many believe this unsized portion of the neck helps better center the case in the chamber, increasing accuracy. In fact you may experiment with sizing less of the neck. This can easily be accomplished by backing the decapping rod further away from the bushing. Thank you for using Redding Reloading Equipment. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:
For what it's worth I emailed redding the picture and asked them about it and they said: That is normal. Because of the chamfer found in the bushing it isn't possible to size any more than approximately 3/4 of the case neck in length. Many believe this unsized portion of the neck helps better center the case in the chamber, increasing accuracy. In fact you may experiment with sizing less of the neck. This can easily be accomplished by backing the decapping rod further away from the bushing. Thank you for using Redding Reloading Equipment. Here is their reply: Our Bushing Dies paired with our bushing will size all the way to the shoulder neck junction, however can be adjusted to size only a portion or all of the neck depending on how much room the bushing is floated in the die. The reason Redding Dies will not is in there Bushing die there is a transition area before it makes contact with the bushing, with an aggressive chamfer on there bushing I can see it would be impossible to size the entire portion of the neck. Our dies transition the neck of the brass directly into the bushing, that is why we do not recommend using our bushing die without a bushing installed as it will damage the shelf the bushing sets on. As Redding stated "Many Believe it helps better center the casing in the chamber. I am a fan of experimenting with different techniques to improve accuracy and have learned a hard lesson, "What works for some is not necessarily the answer for all" |
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Great info there Dune.
Interesting as well. Curious if the bushing flip over helped. |
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Loaded up another hundred rounds. Hope to try them in a day or so if I feel better.
I think I'm done with this single stage press. Ordered a Whidden tool head for the 550 and their case gauge. Was just at Dillon yesterday to pick up another set of 38/357 dies & a quick change kit. Should have got the .260 set up while there Gonna need more brass soon! Bruno's here in Phoenix has Lapua for $94 a box + tax. Any better deal out there? |
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Is it to late to return those dies and get a set from Whidden?
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: https://i.imgur.com/SDgiYTX.jpg Looks the same to me. Maybe slightly less but I also made sure to back the top of the die off only 1/16 of a turn. Fun fact, the case mouth is also flared by .001.... I give up on this brass analysis that probably doesn't matter anyway! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mettee: I agree, those dies, something isn't right. View Quote Sorry for whoring up your thread D3, at least it's somewhat informational. |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: I just checked my 6.5 Grendel Redding Type S FL die and the brass is exactly the same, flared at the mouth and neck partially sized. I guess that's just how Redding dies are. Sorry for whoring up your thread D3, at least it's somewhat informational. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: I just checked my 6.5 Grendel Redding Type S FL die and the brass is exactly the same, flared at the mouth and neck partially sized. I guess that's just how Redding dies are. Sorry for whoring up your thread D3, at least it's somewhat informational. View Quote This makes me glad I went with whidden for sure. I have not seen a Redding die do this before. |
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Originally Posted By mettee: I personally like the semi intelligent derp free banter we have in here so post away. This makes me glad I went with whidden for sure. I have not seen a Redding die do this before. View Quote |
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I use dillon dies for my Grendel and the necks look good. Still can't get a decent load for it though.
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe: Ironically I bought the reddings because everyone said they're the best. But if you look up these exact issues they're quite common. Now I don't know if ugly necks have any kind of negative effect since I haven't started reoading for the 260 yet. My Grendel sadly shoots like a shotgun with factory ammo but my reloads shoot better so...? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mettee: Has that die always produced necks like that, or has it changed View Quote My grendel cases all look like that too but I never noticed because the necks are so dirty, even after tumbling. I took a look at my 2x fired grendel cases and they're all expanded evenly after being fired, so I would be willing to bet it doesn't matter. Maybe for a bench rest gun or something but that's not what I'm after. |
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Case trim question:
I received the Giraud case holder and cutting head for their trimmer. His case length measures 2.0195. To short? Sierra and Lyman reloading books call for a trim to length of 2.025 and Hornady book gives a range of 2.025 to a max case length of 2.035. Should I set this Giraud trimmer closer to the max length, say 2.0345 (this length happens to be where I had the 1st test case set to)? Would this in theory give me more times I can use & trim the case over its lifetime? |
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I trim to a mid point in the spec, because the neck will continue to stretch each firing. That way you dont have to trim it again, but you should check it after a few firings.
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Thanks.
So 2.030'ish? |
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Yeah exactly. Sorry I just now saw this.
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Thanks.
Going to test the target cam tomorrow with the 260 along with testing some grendel loads. |
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Thanks for keeping the thread going guys. I'm doing a double bathroom project and it's just killing me. Every time i get to a new phase there's an issue that requires resolution; ceiling has a hairline crack, walls have nail pops from when they recently resided the house, tile needs re-grouting, door hinges have discolored, new blinds, new fixtures, etc., etc. So, it wasn't just a paint job as I had hoped. All new colors so furnishings needed to be swapped out too. HH6's store of choice is Ikea, so I needed a couple of cabinets and drawers to change. Thank goodness they have online ordering since I despise that store, once you're in you cannot escape! Oh,oh, one of the drawer sets is OOS in VA so I have to go to Baltimore to get it - Baltimore, are you kidding me? That's 90 miles on I-95 for an Ikea chest? Yes, it's OOS until May and this project needs to get done.
I'm putting the finishing touches on bathroom #1 this morning. I've already painted bathroom #2's ceiling so it may go a bit faster. Floors will be last as HH6 hasn't declared the colors yet so it's best I wait until she gets back from Florida. I had the money socked away to have this all done, but the IRS man was much worse to me this year than I expected and that all ended up with the gubment, so this is my manual labor and work, and more trips to Lowes and Home Depot than I'd prefer. Keep the reports coming! If I can make some progress, I may try and hit Quantico this weekend, but that's still too far out to plan given what I may find in bathroom #2. |
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It always unravels D3. Name of the game I'm afraid and it sucks
Hopefully you can make some progress. On the nail pops, I pull them and do a drywall screw about and below where the nail was. Then mud the holes. The nails never seem to hold through the house settling. |
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Originally Posted By mettee:
It always unravels D3. Name of the game I'm afraid and it sucks Hopefully you can make some progress. On the nail pops, I pull them and do a drywall screw about and below where the nail was. Then mud the holes. The nails never seem to hold through the house settling. View Quote Also, and finally, have a solid lead on a job so I'll be working this weekend doing my research and customizing my resume. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: I do the same, there are just a few more than I expected. They were all induced by the siding folks who were hammering the hell out of the outside walls. I'm done with the main bath and moving to bath #2. Also, and finally, have a solid lead on a job so I'll be working this weekend doing my research and customizing my resume. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Defender3: I do the same, there are just a few more than I expected. They were all induced by the siding folks who were hammering the hell out of the outside walls. I'm done with the main bath and moving to bath #2. Also, and finally, have a solid lead on a job so I'll be working this weekend doing my research and customizing my resume. View Quote Although I'm sure it's been nice filling your time with guns, and cool shit. |
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Originally Posted By sommere54:
Best of luck with the new employment opportunity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mettee:
Outstanding. Although I'm sure it's been nice filling your time with guns, and cool shit. |
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Went out to test out the Bullseye camera system today. 1st tried it at 1000 yards and could not get a signal, even with the receiver on the roof of the truck. Tried at 775 yards and got a signal. Next time I will set the camera on a table off to the side of the target to get it up off the ground. This shooting area is slightly downhill and I can only guess the earth was blocking the signal.
I attached a large sheet of cardboard to the target to allow the camera to see where the hits were. On the hits that did not hit the steel I could not tell where they were hitting with the camera system. It was only a few and I may try all white cardboard next time. The hits in the upper left were with the flipper flipped out. Marking 'hit's' in the app is not super precise on an iPhone screen but they are pretty close. Will play with it more next time. All these were with my reloads. Shot 100 rounds today then moved on to other rifles. I'm finally getting good results with my Grendel loads. Ever since I got it I have been struggling to get decent groups even with factory ammo. I was using an XLR butt stock system and it never really felt right, especially the cheek weld. I noticed the same issue with one of their chassis systems on a Tikka 308 action I used to have. I had been wanting to swap over to a Magpul PRS stock and when D3 posted the sale at Brownells I grabbed one. It seemed to make all the difference! 3 different loads/different weight bullets produced good groups. Here's the target and Bullseye camera screen shot from the Larue 260 today. Attached File Attached File |
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You mind posting your info in the grendel thread? getting ready to give up and sell mine unless it produces something worth while.
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My Grendel is from JP Rifles. I bought their complete upper and added my own lower.
Does yours shoot factory ammo well? |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot:
My Grendel is from JP Rifles. I bought their complete upper and added my own lower. Does yours shoot factory ammo well? View Quote Mine shoots factory Hornady black over an inch on a good day. My best Reloads have been right at an inch. Definitely not the laser beam my 260 and 308 are. |
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Something isn't right.
Take it apart and re torque the barrel? |
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Good update Dune, nifty camera set up.
As far as the grendel's not shooting right...that really sucks guys. I would think both jp and larue would look into both rifles for you guys and make sure they are right. |
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Is anyone aside from Alpha offering small primer pocket .260 brass?
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Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Is anyone aside from Alpha offering small primer pocket .260 brass? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot:
Went out to test out the Bullseye camera system today. 1st tried it at 1000 yards and could not get a signal, even with the receiver on the roof of the truck. Tried at 775 yards and got a signal. Next time I will set the camera on a table off to the side of the target to get it up off the ground. This shooting area is slightly downhill and I can only guess the earth was blocking the signal. I attached a large sheet of cardboard to the target to allow the camera to see where the hits were. On the hits that did not hit the steel I could not tell where they were hitting with the camera system. It was only a few and I may try all white cardboard next time. The hits in the upper left were with the flipper flipped out. Marking 'hit's' in the app is not super precise on an iPhone screen but they are pretty close. Will play with it more next time. All these were with my reloads. Shot 100 rounds today then moved on to other rifles. I'm finally getting good results with my Grendel loads. Ever since I got it I have been struggling to get decent groups even with factory ammo. I was using an XLR butt stock system and it never really felt right, especially the cheek weld. I noticed the same issue with one of their chassis systems on a Tikka 308 action I used to have. I had been wanting to swap over to a Magpul PRS stock and when D3 posted the sale at Brownells I grabbed one. It seemed to make all the difference! 3 different loads/different weight bullets produced good groups. Here's the target and Bullseye camera screen shot from the Larue 260 today. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/247601/targetCam4-3-18-504707.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/247601/targetCa,Hits4-3-18_copy-504708.JPG View Quote There are so many nuances affecting accuracy, but the stock and the ability to get a good, repeatable, cheek weld are important. I'll try not to make you spend too much money! I haven't dragged the Target Vision out to the range yet, stupidly I left it at home when I did the 100y testing of the .224 when I should have set it up and tested it. |
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Took a friend out last week to let him experience the Larue and a suppressor. Had targets at 200, 500, and 1K.
He was able to make hits easy at 200 and semi-consistant at 500 (target was partially hidden by a bush), but could not make any hits at 1K. I tried a few and was able to make hits at 1K. No idea why he couldn't. His form seemed teh same as at shorter distances. Tried the Bullseye cam sitting on a table this time and was able to get the signal at 1K. Still hard to tell where hits were on the cardboard surrounding the target. |
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I picked up the Whidden Case Guage.
Measured a few cases and it seems easier to measure bump with this gauge over the version that comes with the dies. I measured a few cases: Unfired Hornady brass= -.003 (sample of 1) Unfired Lapua brass= .000 to +.001 Once fired Lapua brass= +.005 to +.006 Hornady once fired, non-sized= +.006 (sample of 1) Cases that I save to use to double check that my calipers are zero'd properly: Shoulder bumped .0045 measures +.002 on Whidden gauge Shoulder bumped .006 measures .000 Whidden gauge Liking this gauge! |
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yeah buddy I like that whidden case.
Sorry I have been MIA lately guys, have a lot going on |
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I tried using their floating tool head with one of their clicker dies.
Doesn't work Can't get the die to touch the shell plate. Their e-mail reply was that some caliber clicker does don't work with this tool head. That was a waste of money. I still don't get how this is a floating tool head. Die is threaded into the plate thus locking it in place. Attached File |
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