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Posted: 12/10/2022 10:14:22 PM EDT
Coming soon... Colt CR6762 16" carbine in 7.62x39mm.
Attached File This is a new addition to the current 'CR' Colt product line. Attached File They are being posted by distributors and shops as shown in the second and third attached images. Attached File More details to.come. |
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Yep, I saw that in my resource subscription. Thanks for the heads up! I wonder what the msrp is and if it'll be out before Christmas! That's all I possibly need, is another Colt rifle. Where to find mags for 7.62x39?
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MSRP is $1199.00. Probably not until after the first of the year.
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Need a commercial version of the CK901! And the LE901 back for that matter
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Quoted: Are there any reliable mags? View Quote I'm hoping we see some Colt public relations images in the coming week or so. Colt/CZ Group had a media event at Gunsite this past week from what I have seen on Facebook and IG. It is based off of the CR6920 though so the main differences that we will see is an appropriate barrel with applicable markings and magazine. |
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Stupid M4 notch is stupid.
Do they intend to produce a magazine? I wonder what mag they will ship with the rifle. |
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I always thought the Colt made 7.62x39 rifles were cool, but I would never buy one due simply to the proprietary magazine. I don't understand why they don't just build these with the CK901 lowers which directly accept regular Kalashnikov magazines.
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I had a 6830, but could never get it to run reliably.
I wonder how they're overcoming the geometry porblem. |
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I’m glad to see Colt putting out new (old) stuff but I hope this is a stepping stone to something bigger (901 platform).
I just don’t see a big market for these over a few collectors buying them, especially without a supply of cheap 7.62x39 ammo. |
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Quoted: I’m glad to see Colt putting out new (old) stuff but I hope this is a stepping stone to something bigger (901 platform). I just don’t see a big market for these over a few collectors buying them, especially without a supply of cheap 7.62x39 ammo. View Quote True Igman .223 is around .31-.35 cpr now. |
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Quoted: I had a 6830, but could never get it to run reliably. I wonder how they're overcoming the geometry porblem. View Quote From what I have seen over the years, the magazine was the weak point in the 7.62x39 configuration. Colt has been selling 7.62x39mm rifles to foreign entities for a while and I believe they overcame the magazine issue by providing/recommending C-Products Defense magazines. But, I don't know for sure. With the reappearance of the 7.62x39mm carbine, I am hoping we see .300BLK return also. |
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Quoted: I always thought the Colt made 7.62x39 rifles were cool, but I would never buy one due simply to the proprietary magazine. I don't understand why they don't just build these with the CK901 lowers which directly accept regular Kalashnikov magazines. View Quote Colt never had a proprietary magazine for their 7.62x39mm rifles/carbines. The just took a standard 5.56 magazine and relabeled it 7.62x39. This is what made the earlier 7.62x39mm rifles/carbines so unreliable. The magazine was the failure point. |
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Quoted: I can’t remember, we’re those India uppers for use/supplied with a standard m4/m16 lower or were they on a 901 pattern lower for the trials? View Quote See my article here for the details I found researching the MCAR trials. https://thecoltar15resource.com/colt-india-mcar-program/ The short answer is that the MCAR trials used a 5.56mm base rifle with a 7.62x39mm upper receiver assembly. An additional point of interest is that the Colt 7.62x39mm MCAR prototype upper receiver is the only time Colt made a 7.62x39mm SOCOM barrel. |
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The first AR-15 I bought back around 2000 was advertised as a Colt J-15 in 7.62x39 with a couple of frankenmags and 800 rounds of ammo.
I didn't know anything about AR's at that time. Turned out the lower was an Essential Arms receiver with the Colt 7.62x39 upper. Later I sold the lower to a guy in CT for more than I paid for the whole deal shot the ammo and still have the 20" upper. It has been very reliable with frankenmags or with standard 20 round 5.56 mags if you only try to load them with 6 rounds. |
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Quoted: The first AR-15 I bought back around 2000 was advertised as a Colt J-15 in 7.62x39 with a couple of frankenmags and 800 rounds of ammo. I didn't know anything about AR's at that time. Turned out the lower was an Essential Arms receiver with the Colt 7.62x39 upper. Later I sold the lower to a guy in CT for more than I paid for the whole deal shot the ammo and still have the 20" upper. It has been very reliable with frankenmags or with standard 20 round 5.56 mags if you only try to load them with 6 rounds. View Quote Not to derail this thread but thanks to your post I now know all those 20 rounds mags I have are actually 6 rounds mags. Thanks!!! |
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Quoted: From what I have seen over the years, the magazine was the weak point in the 7.62x39 configuration. Colt has been selling 7.62x39mm rifles to foreign entities for a while and I believe they overcame the magazine issue by providing/recommending C-Products Defense magazines. But, I don't know for sure. With the reappearance of the 7.62x39mm carbine, I am hoping we see .300BLK return also. View Quote I think another part of the problem is how the rounds in an AR have to straighten out over the last couple of inches as they approach the feed lips. AK's have a much shorter path, and the mags can be curved along their entire length to accomodate the tapered cartridge geometry. |
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Colt could NEVER produce a better mag than the Duramag.
Duramag is the current finest 7.62X39 mag made. Sold in 30 and 28 as most common but also made in 10 and 20. The 28 was made specifically to fit mag pouches that the 30 will not. Any other mag in the market is a crap shoot and not worth your money or time. |
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My RARE India trials 7.62X39 upper would look good on a Colt 7.62X39 marked lower.
I will likely buy the complete carbine and sell the complete upper off and keep the lower. HOPEFULLY THE LASER MARKINGS HAVE 7.62X39 engraved on it. I can see the upper alone easily selling for $6##.00. |
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Quoted: Same here. I have stayed away from x39 ARs since. View Quote Quoted: Yeah well and I haven't really needed to either. I have a few AKs and a 553R. View Quote Yet here you are in a Colt 7.62x39 thread. I have never handled and branded Colt 7.62x39. What (potentially) will they do better than any quality 7.62x39 that I can put together? Couple of points, I run my 7.62x39 in full auto and suppressed. Fantastic function. I also have a weakness for Colt SOCOM rifles, I have several and they have all been given the Specialized Armament treatment. I sat down with Ken Elmore when I used to live in Arizona. Fantastic rifles. I’ll pick one up eventually, but if it’s released with a SOCOM barrel (as mentioned earlier, that it was in the past). I’ll make it my mission to get one. |
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Quoted: Yet here you are in a Colt 7.62x39 thread. I have never handled and branded Colt 7.62x39. What (potentially) will they do better than any quality 7.62x39 that I can put together? Couple of points, I run my 7.62x39 in full auto and suppressed. Fantastic function. I also have a weakness for Colt SOCOM rifles, I have several and they have all been given the Specialized Armament treatment. I sat down with Ken Elmore when I used to live in Arizona. Fantastic rifles. I’ll pick one up eventually, but if it’s released with a SOCOM barrel (as mentioned earlier, that it was in the past). I’ll make it my mission to get one. View Quote Calm down |
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Quoted: Colt never had a proprietary magazine for their 7.62x39mm rifles/carbines. The just took a standard 5.56 magazine and relabeled it 7.62x39. This is what made the earlier 7.62x39mm rifles/carbines so unreliable. The magazine was the failure point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I always thought the Colt made 7.62x39 rifles were cool, but I would never buy one due simply to the proprietary magazine. I don't understand why they don't just build these with the CK901 lowers which directly accept regular Kalashnikov magazines. Colt never had a proprietary magazine for their 7.62x39mm rifles/carbines. The just took a standard 5.56 magazine and relabeled it 7.62x39. This is what made the earlier 7.62x39mm rifles/carbines so unreliable. The magazine was the failure point. Actually, the OEM Colt 7.62x39 mags were 20 round mag bodies that had internal blocks limiting their capacity to 5 rounds. And they worked just fine. It was people using standard 20 and 30 round mags all loaded up that caused feeding problems. The R6830 was introduced too close to the 94 ban for the aftermarket to develop really decent mags for it. Even so, there were a few reliable performers. USA, surprisingly, had some reliable 20-30 round mags and Scherer and G-Tech had hybrid mags that were an AK mag body TIG welded to an AR feed tower. They worked well, I could rip through an entire mag bump firing. These day, C-Products/DuraMag have 7.62x39 mags dialed in. My 2 R6830s: Attached File An all original R6830 up top. The bottom is a R6830 lower with a R6850 conversion upper, M4 hand guards and Colt 4 position stock. |
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Quoted: I always thought the Colt made 7.62x39 rifles were cool, but I would never buy one due simply to the proprietary magazine. I don't understand why they don't just build these with the CK901 lowers which directly accept regular Kalashnikov magazines. View Quote A semi-auto version of the CK901 would be an automatic purchase for me. I liked the concept after watching Ian’s FW video on it a couple of years ago. I have a Colt 7.62x39 upper that’s been packed away for years because of unreliable magazines (frankenmags, early CP mags) when used with standard lowers. Along with the Glock 46 and Colt Canada MRR (off the top of my head, two other unicorn guns I like), I very much doubt the CK901 will be made available in the US. |
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It should be based on the 901 lower with AK mags and the India upper with a straight (not m4) barrel profile.
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Quoted: A semi-auto version of the CK901 would be an automatic purchase for me. I liked the concept after watching Ian’s FW video on it a couple of years ago. I have a Colt 7.62x39 upper that’s been packed away for years because of unreliable magazines (frankenmags, early CP mags) when used with standard lowers. Along with the Glock 46 and Colt Canada MRR (off the top of my head, two other unicorn guns I like), I very much doubt the CK901 will be made available in the US. View Quote That’s a project I am working on is a functioning CK901. I have a factory prorotpe upper as well as an origjnal bolt. The true test would be the lower being made as it’s a heavily modified 901 forging which I have a couple spares of, I would doubt these were going to hit the market any time soon. The CM5 took about 8-10 years to hit the civilian market This series is just going to be a CR series based on a normal m4 style lower |
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An additional hurdle to the CK901 ever seeing the light of day is the fact that there would not be enough people willing to pay the $2500+ price tag for one. As Alex stated, they are difficult and time consuming to make. The only customers to date have been in the Middle East who don't hesitate to spend large amounts of money for status.
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Apologies if this is out of line being in the Colt Forum...
But are these guns, (7.62x39 AR's in general, and the Colt's specifically) okay shooting steel case, or do they require brass cased ammunition? |
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Quoted: Apologies if this is out of line being in the Colt Forum... But are these guns, (7.62x39 AR's in general, and the Colt's specifically) okay shooting steel case, or do they require brass cased ammunition? View Quote Colt does all of their firearms testing using quality brass-cased ammunition. They sometimes get complaints about reliability with steel-cased ammunition. Most steel-cased ammunition is of foreign manufacture and unknown quality control. Additionally, many of the steel-cased ammo manufacturers make their ammunition hot to improve reliability in larger numbers of firearms. This increases wear on internals that are not tested to the steel-cased ammunition specification. There is no prediction about what your experience will be with steel-cased ammunition. Use of steel-cased ammunition also voids Colts manufacturer warranty. The days of cheap foreign steel-cased ammunition is gone. If you can afford a Colt, I would recommend feeding it quality ammunition. |
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That's a joke. 99% of the 7.62x39 on this planet is steel case
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Quoted: That's a joke. 99% of the 7.62x39 on this planet is steel case View Quote Colt does not design or manufacture their products to the specification of steel-cased 7.62x39mm manufacturers. If someone is trying to buy a firearm to consume an inventory of steel-cased 7.62x39mm I would not buy a commercial Colt AR-15 with an expectation that it is going to digest a bunch of foreign steel-cased ammunition with 100% reliability. Your mileage may vary |
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My R6830s eat Wolf ammo without complaint. I guess my mileage varied.
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Quoted: I think most people don't have a problem...especially if you use the newer magazines that are available. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: My R6830s eat Wolf ammo without complaint. I guess my mileage varied. I think most people don't have a problem...especially if you use the newer magazines that are available. I think the theoretical concerns with steel case ammo are primarily extraction issues and accelerated wear. Greatly overstated, IMO. |
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My understanding is that they are coming with one C-Products 7.62x39mm magazine. However, I am not 100% certain. Will post here as soon as I find out if someone doesn't beat me to it.
I have some of tge C-Products Defense 7.62x39mm magazines and they are great. |
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The CR6762 is now available on Gun Broker. Which means they will be at your retailers very soon. The two listings on Gun Broker tonight have exceptionally high prices. Colts MSRP is $1199.
So, don't pay the $1500 to $1600 prices on GB. Find a retailer that is close to MSRP. Additionally, ignore the 'rare' label. There will be plenty of these available. There is nothing rare about them. Attached File |
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Interesting. I already have a commie Chinese AK47 and a bolt gun in this caliber. Sounds like this will be finicky with steel cases. I like cheap 7.62x39 so probably won't be very high on my list.
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Quoted: I have a feeling it's going to work the same for you as it will for me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Dammit man , I don't wanna buy another gun right now . . . I have a feeling it's going to work the same for you as it will for me. Pissed that I passed on the ones a couple years back , so it's been a lingering thought in my head . |
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