User Panel
Posted: 4/12/2021 1:43:03 PM EDT
We the shooters understand the dynamics of what is happening supply side, but even as you get product, we believe we are being beaten by bots and scripts and whatever else.
If that is occurring, you are making nominal profits, they are getting fat, but most important we the shooters, your customers for years-we aren't getting product. We ask that you start allowing backorders to those of us with registered accounts-WITH THE UNDERSTANDING prices may need to get adjusted up to cover your side, understanding that product may never come in, whatever. Us not getting product is fine if nobody gets it. Thank you |
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OP is 100% correct.
The only way to stop this crap is to take the scalpers out of the loop. |
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I, for one, will put several thousand dollars of products on backorder to the first vendor that does this.
Primers- Up to 5,000 of any one type(SPP, SPM, LPP, LPM, SRP, SRM,etc) Powder- Up to 8lbs of any one type. Defined by model: 4380, W-231, etc. Bullets- Up to 2,000 of any one type Once you get a shipment, you go to the end of the line for that item. |
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Quoted: OP is 100% correct. The only way to stop this crap is to take the scalpers out of the loop. View Quote I hope we do not come to find out that the scalpers are the actual retailers themselves. Not saying that Brownells would do that, but we have seen some retailers charging neckbeard prices. I do not believe that the neckbeard RETAILERS are paying much, if any more than the retailers that are charging the standard prices. By the way, be prepared to be called an ignorant commie for not understanding, and liking neckbeard prices from retailers. |
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I'll even go one better, charge my card.in good faith and if you can't ship in six months, offer to remove me from the backorder list and refund my money or leave me on the list.
You'd instantly have millions in working capital. |
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They need to at least put into place CAPTCHA and the like to prevent bots from making purchases, but really should require having a registered account for hard to get items. I bet availability would go up significantly.
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Quoted: I hope we do not come to find out that the scalpers are the actual retailers themselves. Not saying that Brownells would do that, but we have seen some retailers charging neckbeard prices. I do not believe that the neckbeard RETAILERS are paying much, if any more than the retailers that are charging the standard prices. By the way, be prepared to be called an ignorant commie for not understanding, and liking neckbeard prices from retailers. View Quote From buying & trying to buy stuff over the last year, I don't feel Brownells is one of them. Even a lot of stuff they are offering veterans discount on, not primers & powder from what I can tell, but I never needed to buy online prior to last summer either, so don't know if they ever offered it on those items. Also I think LandShark's amounts seem reasonable. Enough to get in line for but not enough that a scalper/vendor can make a business out of. I do wonder though if some might have each employee get in line & order the max amounts? |
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I want 5000 CCI 450 (small rifle magnum) primers.
I have a registered account with Brownells. I want these primers to build ammunition only for myself. |
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I would go even further. Registered account with purchases in 2019 and prior. Too many people could be signing up and making new accounts just to neckbeard and flip them. Sorry newbies.
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I'm in. Where do I sign up to this program? I don't care if the backorder sits for a year before filling, just that I have an order in there.
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Quoted: I would go even further. Registered account with purchases in 2019 and prior. Too many people could be signing up and making new accounts just to neckbeard and flip them. Sorry newbies. View Quote I have had my account & placed orders there before that, but I think you could still move it up to the beginning of the covid lock downs (March of 2020), or maybe the George Floyd shooting (25 May 2020) as it was after that when things really started becoming harder & harder to find. |
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How do I make a bot to continuously scour the internet and make purchases for me?
Can I buy that as a phone app? |
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Great idea I'd pay now for 5k small rifle 5k spp 5k lrp knowing I'd be charged for the price increases from manufacturers between now and then
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I have notifications set for every size rifle and pistol primers, in all amounts, and have never received a notification. I've been ordering from Brownells for over 20 years and never had an issue with in stock notifications until now. This is getting beyond ridiculous.
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Most of my accounts at all these places are like my account here, over 20 years old.
Is there any logical explanation that so many of "US" can't get any supplies? I can't see it. No matter the reason I hope the companies that we have bought from for years figures out how to help their real base. I don't believe that's whose getting what's out there |
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I would like a few thousand for personal reloading but it's going nowhere.
Just limit 5 k of combined types, with 12 hr early buy preference for arfcom team members. |
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I agree with this.
Should be a member of Arfcom since 2020 or later (preferably paying member) and actually have bought from them in past years. Our local trader her in Ga TheOutdoorsTrader is full of guys who are running bots getting primers and selling them at $150 per k. I just want to get in dang line on some Small Rifle/pistol and Large Rifle primers. |
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Quoted: They need to at least put into place CAPTCHA and the like to prevent bots from making purchases, but really should require having a registered account for hard to get items. I bet availability would go up significantly. View Quote This is probably the closest thing to a real answer. Make some sort of interaction happen for the purchase to take place. Either a CAPTCHA or adding a $1 product to your cart to show you are an actual human ordering. All the back order thing will accomplish is people putting humungous backorders in. Limits on purchase and verification is the way to slow the bots and flippers. |
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Quoted: I find their lack of response...... Disturbing! View Quote The problem is that no matter what response we have, it doesn't appease everyone. This is way above my pay grade, as I shared with @CavVet, and the people that would be in charge of these kinds of things are inundated with the smallish task(s) keeping this train rolling as we're screaming along at Mach 90 with our hair on fire. Add to the fact that there are always unintended consequences and downstream effects, that create even bigger CS issues later on (people inevitably trying to cancel backorders, or initiating chargebacks because they found the product elsewhere, etc.) We are trying to get creative on how to tackle this, but it's not something as simple as flipping a switch for us. |
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I bought 5k CCI 400 SPP from them about a month ago. I am on a discord reloading channel and watch it like a hawk for notifications. Typically, when a notification pops up on my discord, it’s out of stock within 60 seconds or is already out of stock.
I just got lucky. Something has to change though... not sure back orders are the way to go. I think 90% of the primers are bought by bots. ZA |
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Quoted: I bought 5k CCI 400 SPP from them about a month ago. I am on a discord reloading channel and watch it like a hawk for notifications. Typically, when a notification pops up on my discord, it’s out of stock within 60 seconds or is already out of stock. I just got lucky. Something has to change though... not sure back orders are the way to go. I think 90% of the primers are bought by bots. ZA View Quote Bots are crazy, I used to be pretty good at getting stuff. Now if I get an email for high demand items and check they're all gone by the time I can get the page loaded. My email is Push-IMAP so it's pretty much instant. |
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You know I spend a lot of money at Brownells and I'm also an Edge program member. I have been buying stuff from Brownells since the early 90s
I wholeheartedly support putting stuff on back order. I have no problems waiting for something if I can put it on backorder. |
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Quoted: We the shooters understand the dynamics of what is happening supply side, but even as you get product, we believe we are being beaten by bots and scripts and whatever else. If that is occurring, you are making nominal profits, they are getting fat, but most important we the shooters, your customers for years-we aren't getting product. We ask that you start allowing backorders to those of us with registered accounts-WITH THE UNDERSTANDING prices may need to get adjusted up to cover your side, understanding that product may never come in, whatever. Us not getting product is fine if nobody gets it. Thank you View Quote Absolutely! |
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Thank you Brownells for the response. Without saying we texted, I tried to couch the responses with my last.
As I said earlier, give it time. We do understand that you have huge challenges- and day to day business operation challenges- and then all the other bullshit pulled in to of you. We get it. And I think I can speak for most that we are grateful you listened. I'm fairly certain you will talk, decide what's best for you-and us, and solve the problem. After all, what's good for you, is good for us. And unfortunately what is bad for us is bad for you. Thanks again! |
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Quoted: The problem is that no matter what response we have, it doesn't appease everyone. This is way above my pay grade, as I shared with @CavVet, and the people that would be in charge of these kinds of things are inundated with the smallish task(s) keeping this train rolling as we're screaming along at Mach 90 with our hair on fire. Add to the fact that there are always unintended consequences and downstream effects, that create even bigger CS issues later on (people inevitably trying to cancel backorders, or initiating chargebacks because they found the product elsewhere, etc.) We are trying to get creative on how to tackle this, but it's not something as simple as flipping a switch for us. View Quote @Brownells_ar15 I am completely willing to sign up for a non-refundable backorder for primers. I’m already waiting so I might as well wait with purpose. |
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Quoted: Thank you Brownells for the response. Without saying we texted, I tried to couch the responses with my last. As I said earlier, give it time. We do understand that you have huge challenges- and day to day business operation challenges- and then all the other bullshit pulled in to of you. We get it. And I think I can speak for most that we are grateful you listened. I'm fairly certain you will talk, decide what's best for you-and us, and solve the problem. After all, what's good for you, is good for us. And unfortunately what is bad for us is bad for you. Thanks again! View Quote In mid February I placed 3k gas checks on backorder with Midsouth because they would let me- AND they are at normal prices. If they would let me put 5k Remington 7 1/2 on back order I'd do that now. Here's the thing, right now I am setting on probably two years worth of SRP. But if I see them available, I'm buying today. If I had 5k on backorder, I'd wait. I'm sure it will get filled before I need them. And that 5K that's available today would at least have a chance of going to someone in need. |
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Quoted: Thank you Brownells for the response. Without saying we texted, I tried to couch the responses with my last. As I said earlier, give it time. We do understand that you have huge challenges- and day to day business operation challenges- and then all the other bullshit pulled in to of you. We get it. And I think I can speak for most that we are grateful you listened. I'm fairly certain you will talk, decide what's best for you-and us, and solve the problem. After all, what's good for you, is good for us. And unfortunately what is bad for us is bad for you. Thanks again! View Quote Well stated! Thanks Brownells |
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Quoted: Thank you Brownells for the response. Without saying we texted, I tried to couch the responses with my last. As I said earlier, give it time. We do understand that you have huge challenges- and day to day business operation challenges- and then all the other bullshit pulled in to of you. We get it. And I think I can speak for most that we are grateful you listened. I'm fairly certain you will talk, decide what's best for you-and us, and solve the problem. After all, what's good for you, is good for us. And unfortunately what is bad for us is bad for you. Thanks again! View Quote @CavVet Well said! Hope your feeling better! |
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Quoted: The problem is that no matter what response we have, it doesn't appease everyone. This is way above my pay grade, as I shared with @CavVet, and the people that would be in charge of these kinds of things are inundated with the smallish task(s) keeping this train rolling as we're screaming along at Mach 90 with our hair on fire. Add to the fact that there are always unintended consequences and downstream effects, that create even bigger CS issues later on (people inevitably trying to cancel backorders, or initiating chargebacks because they found the product elsewhere, etc.) We are trying to get creative on how to tackle this, but it's not something as simple as flipping a switch for us. View Quote You guys should do what powder valley has started doing on primer orders! They make you buy some nominal item from their apparel section in order to actually buy primers. Maybe you guys could make some silly little $.99 item like a sticker, koozie... whatever, and make it a requirement for that to be in your cart to order primers. You can rotate which one is required and have it posted on the primers page right before you put the primers up on the site. This would eliminate the bots totally. I think it would be funny if it was a “I got Brownelled” sticker or something snarky. This would be an easy solution! ZA |
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I fully support any of the ideas suggested so far. Basically anything to help discourage the middlemen from flipping for exorbitant prices.
I know everyone likes to assume that's it's just supply and demand and the market is efficient, but I think there is a good argument that it's not perfectly efficient and primers and powder are just changing hands way too many times before ever being loaded. Artificial scarcity caused by bots buying things up will drive the panic, so people will continue to buy excess when they get the chance. It's a vicious cycle, but I think retailers like brownells can help to break it, or at least make it a little less vicious. Honestly, I think a good place to start would be to simply raise prices a bit. It will discourage actual reloaders from buying excess, and it will close the profit margins for flippers. Ideally this would be combined with some kind of FIFO system, preferably based on address and/or CC info, as I don't underestimate the neckbeards' willingness to use false info. Requiring buyers to add an extra item to the cart or adding a captcha would definitely help. |
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Quoted: I have notifications set for every size rifle and pistol primers, in all amounts, and have never received a notification. I've been ordering from Brownells for over 20 years and never had an issue with in stock notifications until now. This is getting beyond ridiculous. View Quote +1 |
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Call-in orders only.
Existing customers only. Minimum order 1000 primers Maximum order 5000 primers Limit ONE primer order per 6 months. |
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Quoted: The problem is that no matter what response we have, it doesn't appease everyone. This is way above my pay grade, as I shared with @CavVet, and the people that would be in charge of these kinds of things are inundated with the smallish task(s) keeping this train rolling as we're screaming along at Mach 90 with our hair on fire. Add to the fact that there are always unintended consequences and downstream effects, that create even bigger CS issues later on (people inevitably trying to cancel backorders, or initiating chargebacks because they found the product elsewhere, etc.) We are trying to get creative on how to tackle this, but it's not something as simple as flipping a switch for us. View Quote This sounds like a great excuse. It is convenient because profits are rolling in, but at the expense of long term customer loyalty. Long run outcomes will be less sales created by your business when you need them the most because you weren’t creating a base of people that look at your business in a favorable light. People are habitual, and will return to places they regularly do business. If you don’t let people find what they are looking for in a reasonable way, they have zero reason to patronize you later. The tides of business turn quickly, if you want to figure out a solution, then just figure it the fuck out. But if you don’t... then continue on your current trajectory |
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