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Posted: 7/16/2021 7:51:40 PM EDT
Do the backordered URGI 14.5 uppers still use the Daniel Defense barrels or have you switched to Geissele CHF barrels on them (and if so are they chrome lined)? Thank you.
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Our in house Geissele chrome lined CHF barrels. Its listed on the product pages too.
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Quoted: Do the backordered URGI 14.5 uppers still use the Daniel Defense barrels or have you switched to Geissele CHF barrels on them (and if so are they chrome lined)? Thank you. View Quote They changed that spec a long time ago. |
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Quoted: Thank you. Final question. Does the new Geissele URGI come with the Geissele barrel nut? Thanks again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Our in house Geissele chrome lined CHF barrels. Its listed on the product pages too. -GACS Thank you. Final question. Does the new Geissele URGI come with the Geissele barrel nut? Thanks again. I think you meant gas block |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Our in house Geissele chrome lined CHF barrels. Its listed on the product pages too. -GACS Thank you. Final question. Does the new Geissele URGI come with the Geissele barrel nut? Thanks again. I think you meant gas block No, I meant the barrel nut that attaches the barrel to the upper receiver. Just wanted to make sure it was Geissele’s version & not a milspec version. |
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Quoted: Thank you. Final question. Does the new Geissele URGI come with the Geissele barrel nut? Thanks again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Our in house Geissele chrome lined CHF barrels. Its listed on the product pages too. -GACS Thank you. Final question. Does the new Geissele URGI come with the Geissele barrel nut? Thanks again. I believe it has to use the G barrel nut to mount their rail. |
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Quoted: I hope so, but I’d like to get that confirmed from by @gacs, because their SD 14.5 uppers aren’t available for sale on their website, so the URGI is the closest thing. View Quote Hmm. Uh, yes. Otherwise it does not work. :). But, based on experience, do not confuse “available to order” with SHIPPING ANYTIME SOON. My guess is the URGI is listed for sale so the coupon holders can order. Geissele has not shipped URGIs in 2 years. I think they had a day or two in between when a few may have shipped. I am going to iorder one, but I am nap expecting it to ship in 2021. |
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Quoted: Hmm. Uh, yes. Otherwise it does not work. :). But, based on experience, do not confuse “available to order” with SHIPPING ANYTIME SOON. My guess is the URGI is listed for sale so the coupon holders can order. Geissele has not shipped URGIs in 2 years. I think they had a day or two in between when a few may have shipped. I am going to iorder one, but I am nap expecting it to ship in 2021. View Quote What differences, if any, do you believe there is between the Geissele CHF CL SD 14.5” upper and the new Geissele CHF CL URGI 14.5” upper? Would love to hear your thoughts & knowledge. Thank you. |
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They are black ox as well. we hope to have some 14.5 SD uppers up this week both stripped and complete. Yep its our barrel nut, no way to attach our rail without it.
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Can the mk 16 handguard be removed on/off, if the barrel is pin and welded to the surefire 4 prong?
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Quoted: What differences, if any, do you believe there is between the Geissele CHF CL SD 14.5” upper and the new Geissele CHF CL URGI 14.5” upper? Would love to hear your thoughts & knowledge. Thank you. View Quote I would venture to say the barrel profile is the biggest difference. Urgi uses gov profile while the sd uses the geissele profile. Also the mk16 uses a notch/tab on super duties vs the standard mk16 on urgi. |
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Quoted: What differences, if any, do you believe there is between the Geissele CHF CL SD 14.5” upper and the new Geissele CHF CL URGI 14.5” upper? Would love to hear your thoughts & knowledge. Thank you. View Quote Lots. Completely diffferent, except made by same company. 1). URGI is close to military spec, and super duty is a precision upper. 2). Super Duty has a Geissele top shelf BCG. URGI is a milspec BCG 3). Super Duty is being produced. URGI is not. 4). Super Duty has match ring mated upper / rail dovetail connection. URGI is stand alone Mk16 military rail and milspec non- Geissele receiver. 5). Super Duty has a beautiful finish like a commercial upper. URGi is standard anodizing and not matching. 6). Super duty has close tine SF flash hider, URGI has 4-prong open tine flash hider (military grade) |
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URGI comes with the Geissele Reliability Enhanced Bolt Carrier Group. It also has anti rotation tabs on the rail. The four prong FH is not available to the public yet and when they do come up for sale they go for over $200. The URGI charging handle is highly sought after due to its roll marks. The 14.5" comes with the buffer spring and buffer combo. These are great deals with a 35% coupon. I have a complete ODG SD and look forward to receiving my 10.3 URGI.
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Quoted: Lots. Completely diffferent, except made by same company. 1). URGI is close to military spec, and super duty is a precision upper. 2). Super Duty has a Geissele top shelf BCG. URGI is a milspec BCG 3). Super Duty is being produced. URGI is not. 4). Super Duty has match ring mated upper / rail dovetail connection. URGI is stand alone Mk16 military rail and milspec non- Geissele receiver. 5). Super Duty has a beautiful finish like a commercial upper. URGi is standard anodizing and not matching. 6). Super duty has close tine SF flash hider, URGI has 4-prong open tine flash hider (military grade) View Quote Care to elaborate on #1? |
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Quoted: URGI comes with the Geissele Reliability Enhanced Bolt Carrier Group. It also has anti rotation tabs on the rail. The four prong FH is not available to the public yet and when they do come up for sale they go for over $200. The URGI charging handle is highly sought after due to its roll marks. The 14.5" comes with the buffer spring and buffer combo. These are great deals with a 35% coupon. I have a complete ODG SD and look forward to receiving my 10.3 URGI. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/366627/244C1AAE-7047-4ED4-AB68-AA2AAB7C81B2_4_5-2021077.JPG View Quote When Geissele says “ML gas barrel” you think that’s just a typo for CL Barrel? |
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I thought the urgi were not coupon eligible. Did that change recently?
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Quoted: Quoted: When Geissele says “ML gas barrel” you think that’s just a typo for CL Barrel? Mid length gas system Thanks. Is the barrel chrome lined or nitrided for the URGI clone? It doesn’t say on Geissele’s website, only that it’s hammer forged. Nothing about chrome lining. Thanks again. @gacs https://geissele.com/urg-i-complete.html |
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Quoted: Quoted: Lots. Completely diffferent, except made by same company. 1). URGI is close to military spec, and super duty is a precision upper. 2). Super Duty has a Geissele top shelf BCG. URGI is a milspec BCG 3). Super Duty is being produced. URGI is not. 4). Super Duty has match ring mated upper / rail dovetail connection. URGI is stand alone Mk16 military rail and milspec non- Geissele receiver. 5). Super Duty has a beautiful finish like a commercial upper. URGi is standard anodizing and not matching. 6). Super duty has close tine SF flash hider, URGI has 4-prong open tine flash hider (military grade) Care to elaborate on #1? Well, the URGI “clone correct” is what the military uses. Geissele stopped making clone correct, but one of their dealers still makes it. The military side has softened a little over time with the use of Geissele barrels and milspec (not Colt) receivers and Geissele and not Mk12 gas blocks, the the design and sport of the URGi is military grade. The receiver is not the perfect fitting Super Duty receiver and upper and the rail is military correct. So is the flash hider. I did not catch that the URGI now has the Geissele BCG and not milspec. So, the two are just different. As I write this, I realize the current URGI is more Super Duty than it is USASOC, but the design starts with military in mind. You are making me wonder why Geissele even makes it and calls it something it really no longer is. ?? |
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Quoted: URGI comes with the Geissele Reliability Enhanced Bolt Carrier Group. It also has anti rotation tabs on the rail. The four prong FH is not available to the public yet and when they do come up for sale they go for over $200. The URGI charging handle is highly sought after due to its roll marks. The 14.5" comes with the buffer spring and buffer combo. These are great deals with a 35% coupon. I have a complete ODG SD and look forward to receiving my 10.3 URGI. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/366627/244C1AAE-7047-4ED4-AB68-AA2AAB7C81B2_4_5-2021077.JPG View Quote You can buy the 4 prong from surefire right now for 149.99 Surefire 4 prong |
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View Quote They are available for back order. Last time I checked they were quoting a ship date of sometime in August. Not sure if that has changed? Is anybody receiving one from surefire? |
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Quoted: Well, the URGI “clone correct” is what the military uses. Geissele stopped making clone correct, but one of their dealers still makes it. The military side has softened a little over time with the use of Geissele barrels and milspec (not Colt) receivers and Geissele and not Mk12 gas blocks, the the design and sport of the URGi is military grade. The receiver is not the perfect fitting Super Duty receiver and upper and the rail is military correct. So is the flash hider. I did not catch that the URGI now has the Geissele BCG and not milspec. So, the two are just different. As I write this, I realize the current URGI is more Super Duty than it is USASOC, but the design starts with military in mind. You are making me wonder why Geissele even makes it and calls it something it really no longer is. ?? View Quote Geissele never made URG-Is for the US Military and never sold what the "military uses" to civilians. They sold a copy of it. The URG-I program consisted of the following parts: upper receiver- standard M4/M4A1 (take off from a disassembled RIS II URG) bolt carrier group- standard M16A4/M4/M4A1 (take off from a disassembled RIS II URG) charging handle- Geissele Airborne Charging Handle in Desert Dirt Color with subdued markings- P/N 05-664S- NSN 1005-01-672-4803 barrel- Daniel Defense 14.5" mid length "GOV" profile with .076" gas port- P/N 07-077-07308 gas block- Daniel Defense pinned gas block which only comes on their rifles and URGs or barrel assemblies. Not available separately. gas tube- Daniel Defense mid length- P/N 04-013-18034 hand guard- Geissele 13.5" MK16 in Desert Dirt Color- P/N 05-650S- NSN 1005-01-672-4794 (MK16s with no markings, laser P/N markings, and stamped NSN markings have all been seen in pictures) M-LOK rail section- Magpul 7 slot aluminum- P/N MAG582-BLK sling mount- Magpul QD- P/N MAG606-BLK muzzle device- SureFire 4 prong flash hider- P/N FH556RC suppressor- SureFire SOCOM in Dark Earth- P/N SOCOM556-RC Geissele supplied the charging handle and rail which was put into a kit that unit armorers assembled. There were a few "URG-I"s sold by Geissele which were very close copies (used the Daniel Defense gas block), but not very many. The current "URG-I" Geissele is selling are the furthest from being "clone correct" that they have made to date. |
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Quoted: Gotcha. I thought the “buy now” option meant I could buy it now. My bad. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They are available for back order. Last time I checked they were quoting a ship date of sometime in August. Not sure if that has changed? Is anybody receiving one from surefire? Gotcha. I thought the “buy now” option meant I could buy it now. My bad. They were available. Surefire told me they will be shipping my order soon. So, the 4 prong is no longer a $200+ muzzle device. It's $150 MSRP. |
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Quoted: Geissele never made URG-Is for the US Military and never sold what the "military uses" to civilians. They sold a copy of it. The URG-I program consisted of the following parts: upper receiver- standard M4/M4A1 (take off from a disassembled RIS II URG) bolt carrier group- standard M16A4/M4/M4A1 (take off from a disassembled RIS II URG) charging handle- Geissele Airborne Charging Handle in Desert Dirt Color with subdued markings- P/N 05-664S- NSN 1005-01-672-4803 barrel- Daniel Defense 14.5" mid length "GOV" profile with .076" gas port- P/N 07-077-07308 gas block- Daniel Defense pinned gas block which only comes on their rifles and URGs or barrel assemblies. Not available separately. gas tube- Daniel Defense mid length- P/N 04-013-18034 hand guard- Geissele 13.5" MK16 in Desert Dirt Color- P/N 05-650S- NSN 1005-01-672-4794 (MK16s with no markings, laser P/N markings, and stamped NSN markings have all been seen in pictures) M-LOK rail section- Magpul 7 slot aluminum- P/N MAG582-BLK sling mount- Magpul QD- P/N MAG606-BLK muzzle device- SureFire 4 prong flash hider- P/N FH556RC suppressor- SureFire SOCOM in Dark Earth- P/N SOCOM556-RC Geissele supplied the charging handle and rail which was put into a kit that unit armorers assembled. There were a few "URG-I"s sold by Geissele which were very close copies (used the Daniel Defense gas block), but not very many. The current "URG-I" Geissele is selling are the furthest from being "clone correct" that they have made to date. View Quote Seems like the current urgi is just a super duty upper aside from color and the gov profile barrel and four prong flash hider. |
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Quoted: Seems like the current urgi is just a super duty upper aside from color and the gov profile barrel and four prong flash hider. View Quote Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I wonder which upper shoots better. It still doesn’t say on Geissele’s website if either barrel is chrome lined. I wonder what the better choice will be to buy before the coupons expire. |
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Quoted: They are available for back order. Last time I checked they were quoting a ship date of sometime in August. Not sure if that has changed? Is anybody receiving one from surefire? View Quote If they tell you that, that is false. I know a dealer who ordered and got a promise date of May, 2022. |
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Quoted: Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I wonder which upper shoots better. It still doesn’t say on Geissele’s website if either barrel is chrome lined. I wonder what the better choice will be to buy before the coupons expire. View Quote The barrels on the super duty and the urgi are chrome lined. Some super duties use nitride barrels, but those will say “super duty rifle nitride barrel”. |
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Super Duty uppers have Geissele profile barrels, same color ano center tab receivers and rails, and Nano coated SF closed tine flash hiders (unless stripped).
URGI Near Clone has black mil spec upper receiver, DDC dual anti rotation tabbed MK16 rail, gov profile barrels, and SF4P flash hiders. Both barrels are chrome lined, use our bombproof pinned gas block, and they both now come with Geissele Reliability Enhanced Bolt Carrier Groups. The URGI near clone is for someone who likes the look and feel of the mil URGI but isn't concerned with being 100% clone correct. For our hardcore cloners out there we still sell the correct MK16 rail and charging handle separately. They are both excellent accurate shooters. -GACS |
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Quoted: Super Duty uppers have Geissele profile barrels, same color ano center tab receivers and rails, and Nano coated SF closed tine flash hiders (unless stripped). URGI Near Clone has black mil spec upper receiver, DDC dual anti rotation tabbed MK16 rail, gov profile barrels, and SF4P flash hiders. Both barrels are chrome lined, use our bombproof pinned gas block, and they both now come with Geissele Reliability Enhanced Bolt Carrier Groups. The URGI near clone is for someone who likes the look and feel of the mil URGI but isn't concerned with being 100% clone correct. For our hardcore cloners out there we still sell the correct MK16 rail and charging handle separately. They are both excellent accurate shooters. -GACS View Quote Thank you! |
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Quoted: Well, the URGI “clone correct” is what the military uses. Geissele stopped making clone correct, but one of their dealers still makes it. The military side has softened a little over time with the use of Geissele barrels and milspec (not Colt) receivers and Geissele and not Mk12 gas blocks, the the design and sport of the URGi is military grade. The receiver is not the perfect fitting Super Duty receiver and upper and the rail is military correct. So is the flash hider. I did not catch that the URGI now has the Geissele BCG and not milspec. So, the two are just different. As I write this, I realize the current URGI is more Super Duty than it is USASOC, but the design starts with military in mind. You are making me wonder why Geissele even makes it and calls it something it really no longer is. ?? View Quote Stop talking out your ass. And un-fuck your feedback. |
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