Posted: 10/6/2011 1:49:45 AM EDT
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David Fortier made this announcement in the AR Variants forum.
"Well, today Alexander Arms announced a few things at the Big 3 writers event. 1. The Grendel has been accepted by SAAMI 2. They have released their trademark on the 6.5mm Grendel 3. They showed off steel cased Grendel produced by Wolf 4. They hired a very well respected gentleman named Wayne Holt to handle PR. So, now ANYONE can make a 6.5mm Grendel. The steel cased ammo is being produced by Barnaul for Wolf Performance ARMS and Ammunition. Note Wolf now has a firearms division and is working with Izhmash and Molot. They are looking into Vepr and Saiga rifles in 6.5mm Grendel. Currently testing is being done on the Wolf steel cases to verify they are good to go. Wolf is claiming production ammo for 1st quarter of this coming year. They said now that they switched this from Tula to Barnaul things are progressing nicely. I think its very positive as Barnaul's quality is well known for being a notch above Tulas. The steel cases look sexy.... Wayne Holt was the #2 man at Hornady for many years and was with Glock prior to this. This is big move on Alexander Arms part. Should be very interesting to see how things go. He's very well liked and respected in the industry. Wolf was at the event and they are very firmly behind the Grendel, and have some very interesting things regarding AK rifles." John |
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Originally Posted By bwaites:
This posts needs pictures! http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/192/steelcase3.jpg http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3723/steelcase2.jpg They are IPhone pics, I'll try to do better later this week! 
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Bill, is that the box Wolf will use to package the ammo, or is it just an AA box that held another round with steel case in it? I expected the typical Russian packaging with the paper inserts separating the cartridges in four groups of five all inside a stapled, paper envelope.
I can't wait to have a few cases sitting in the closet. |
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Originally Posted By Scott_S:
Bill, is that the box Wolf will use to package the ammo, or is it just an AA box that held another round with steel case in it? I expected the typical Russian packaging with the paper inserts separating the cartridges in four groups of five all inside a stapled, paper envelope. I can't wait to have a few cases sitting in the closet. I doubt we'll see it in bulk in AA packaging. These came direct from AA as preproduction. Expect Wolf packaging. AA still has to complete the pressure testing and preliminaries prior to full release. These pictures look quite a bit better in real life, so I think the upload/download/upload has significantly screwed with them! I will do better, I promise! |
| Hell yeah, bout time for an official announcement. I can't wait to have a few thousand rounds stocked and be able to shoot my grendel like it was meant to be shot. |
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Originally Posted By JWH:
Chris, it will be an FMJ very much the length and shape of a 107 SMK with a 110 to 115 grains of lead fill, and an air space in the nose akin to Russian military 5.45x39 7N6. John, can we get a photo of a sectioned bullet? If AA can't do it, but has a specimen or two they'd be willing to sacrifice, maybe contact "wolfganggross" to see if he'd do the sectioning. A sample of his work can be seen at: http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=81539#p81539 |
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Originally Posted By stanc:
Originally Posted By JWH:
Chris, it will be an FMJ very much the length and shape of a 107 SMK with a 110 to 115 grains of lead fill, and an air space in the nose akin to Russian military 5.45x39 7N6. John, can we get a photo of a sectioned bullet? If AA can't do it, but has a specimen or two they'd be willing to sacrifice, maybe contact "wolfganggross" to see if he'd do the sectioning. A sample of his work can be seen at: http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=81539#p81539 Once productuon bullets are in hand, we can get those done. It makes no sense to do that until the actual production bullets are available. |
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Originally Posted By GrendelAA:
Originally Posted By stanc:
Originally Posted By JWH:
Chris, it will be an FMJ very much the length and shape of a 107 SMK with a 110 to 115 grains of lead fill, and an air space in the nose akin to Russian military 5.45x39 7N6. John, can we get a photo of a sectioned bullet? If AA can't do it, but has a specimen or two they'd be willing to sacrifice, maybe contact "wolfganggross" to see if he'd do the sectioning. A sample of his work can be seen at: http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=81539#p81539 Once productuon bullets are in hand, we can get those done. It makes no sense to do that until the actual production bullets are available. The production bullets will be different from those here now? |
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Originally Posted By stanc: Originally Posted By GrendelAA: Originally Posted By stanc: Originally Posted By JWH: Chris, it will be an FMJ very much the length and shape of a 107 SMK with a 110 to 115 grains of lead fill, and an air space in the nose akin to Russian military 5.45x39 7N6. John, can we get a photo of a sectioned bullet? If AA can't do it, but has a specimen or two they'd be willing to sacrifice, maybe contact "wolfganggross" to see if he'd do the sectioning. A sample of his work can be seen at: http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=81539#p81539 Once productuon bullets are in hand, we can get those done. It makes no sense to do that until the actual production bullets are available. The production bullets will be different from those here now? Masada. |
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The production bullets will be different from those here now?
The case is undergoing testing with a variety of bullets used. Until the production cartridge is ready and testing is complete, the final bullet won't be set in stone. What we know is that it will be an FMJ, probably of 110 grains, and probably with a shape similar to the 107 Sierra. We realize that is still a little hazy, but we've pursued this project so long we want it to be right and we want to provide accurate information when it is more secure. |
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Originally Posted By GrendelAA:
The production bullets will be different from those here now?
The case is undergoing testing with a variety of bullets used. Until the production cartridge is ready and testing is complete, the final bullet won't be set in stone. What we know is that it will be an FMJ, probably of 110 grains, and probably with a shape similar to the 107 Sierra. We realize that is still a little hazy, but we've pursued this project so long we want it to be right and we want to provide accurate information when it is more secure. Testing a variety of bullets? I was under the impression that the 110gr FMJ had been firmly decided on at least three years ago. That other options are being considered is interesting. Thanks for elaborating. |
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Testing a variety of bullets? I was under the impression that the 110gr FMJ had been firmly decided on at least three years ago. That other options are being considered is interesting. Thanks for elaborating.
Please remember, 3 years ago we were dealing with a completely different factory. Barnaul has been brought in to make the steel case. While we completely expect that the 110 grain FMJ will be the bullet used, we also recognize that there is a possibility that something else might be in the future. Testing other bullets just allows us to stay ahead of the game a bit, while giving us some additional data points to work with. |
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Originally Posted By GrendelAA:
Testing a variety of bullets? I was under the impression that the 110gr FMJ had been firmly decided on at least three years ago. That other options are being considered is interesting. Thanks for elaborating.
Please remember, 3 years ago we were dealing with a completely different factory. Barnaul has been brought in to make the steel case. While we completely expect that the 110 grain FMJ will be the bullet used, we also recognize that there is a possibility that something else might be in the future. Testing other bullets just allows us to stay ahead of the game a bit... Thanks, again. Just so we're completely on the same page, are the "other bullets" currently being tested also FMJs, but of different weights and/or shapes? |
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Here are some photos of preproduction lacquered steel 6.5 Grendel cases (loaded with a "dummy" HPBT bullet; production rounds are planned to have a 110 FMJ). I believe Alexander Arms is also testing preproduction cases with the gray polymer coating, but I don't have any samples.
http://www.65grendel.com/graphics/IMG_0328_group_b.jpg http://www.65grendel.com/graphics/IMG_0331_group_a.jpg http://www.65grendel.com/graphics/IMG_0323_mag_a.jpg http://www.65grendel.com/graphics/IMG_0321_mag_b.jpg http://www.65grendel.com/graphics/IMG_0319_mag_c.jpg http://www.65grendel.com/graphics/IMG_0316_trio_a.jpg Enjoy! We're gettin' closer than ever to 6.5 Grendel cheap-ammo nirvana! John |
| Looking forward to them and also for some FMJ bullets for reloading. It'll be a nice change to be able to go out and shoot the 6.5 more often and faster, rather than bench firing it all the time. I don't usually like steel cases but I'm planning to run a bunch of these just for fun. |
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Originally Posted By AR-180:
Any updates? Case testing is complete and went well. Now its up to the Russian factory to run the spec steel cases and load them up. Pending last minute changes, it will be a steel case, with a 110 grain bullet with profile similar to the 107 grain Sierra Match King. Final bullet composition will be up to Wolf and their Russian partners. |
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Originally Posted By GrendelAA:
Originally Posted By AR-180:
Any updates? Case testing is complete and went well. Now its up to the Russian factory to run the spec steel cases and load them up. Pending last minute changes, it will be a steel case, with a 110 grain bullet with profile similar to the 107 grain Sierra Match King. Final bullet composition will be up to Wolf and their Russian partners.
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Updated info in AR Variants
looks like 100 gr FMJ Now just to find out where it is in stock |
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