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Posted: 10/6/2011 12:22:46 AM
[Last Edit: 10/6/2011 12:38:21 AM by Gunwritr]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT 1. The Grendel has been accepted by SAAMI 2. They have released their trademark on the 6.5mm Grendel 3. They showed off steel cased Grendel produced by Wolf 4. They hired a very well respected gentleman named Wayne Holt to handle PR. So, now ANYONE can make a 6.5mm Grendel. The steel cased ammo is being produced by Barnaul for Wolf Performance ARMS and Ammunition. Note Wolf now has a firearms division and is working with Izhmash and Molot. They are looking into Vepr and Saiga rifles in 6.5mm Grendel. Currently testing is being done on the Wolf steel cases to verify they are good to go. Wolf is claiming production ammo for 1st quarter of this coming year. They said now that they switched this from Tula to Barnaul things are progressing nicely. I think its very positive as Barnaul's quality is well known for being a notch above Tulas. The steel cases look sexy.... Wayne Holt was the #2 man at Hornady for many years and was with Glock prior to this. This is big move on Alexander Arms part. Should be very interesting to see how things go. He's very well liked and respected in the industry. Wolf was at the event and they are very firmly behind the Grendel, and have some very interesting things regarding AK rifles. I'm tired, will try to get some pics up in a couple days. Day two of the event is tomorrow....... The Military Arms Channel folks are out here, great guys. Had a really good time speaking with them and seeing how they do stuff. Lot of interesting products and Hi-Lux showed a prototype of a new CMR type scope....many interesting things here.......even had one of the early developers of the 6.8 SPC! |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 1:28:44 AM
Steel case is a game changer! 6.5 ammo at 7.62x39 prices, or close. Plinking with a Grendel at AK prices!
Wayne Holt will be an immense help to AA as it expands the brand, especially with the release of the trademark. So now all the claimed obstructions are gone! Let the games begin!! |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 2:14:07 AM
Just another great day to love my grendel. I just need better mags for it and I'll be gitty as a school girl.
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myitinaw
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Posted: 10/6/2011 2:18:02 AM
My opinion of Bill Alexander just changed 180 degrees. Good for him, good for us, and good for the Grendel. Thank you for posting this great news David! 
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Lokjell
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Posted: 10/6/2011 2:24:58 AM
Can't wait for the steel case. I've got 4 of the barrels from the Liberty Barrels clearance just waiting for builds. This is very happy news.
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Rocksarge
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Posted: 10/6/2011 3:08:58 AM
i would so buy a grendel upper
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harleyrkc
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Posted: 10/6/2011 3:19:00 AM
This certainly is a game changer. Im not a fan of steel case but I do agree this is a good thing for the Grendel and its future. It'll be real interesting to watch this play out over the next month or so to.
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LMTRocks
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Posted: 10/6/2011 5:12:48 AM
Steel case ammo has been a slight interest of mine for a bit now. YAY.
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Posted: 10/6/2011 9:42:39 AM
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Wolf was at the event and they are very firmly behind the Grendel, and have some very interesting things regarding AK rifles. Was this purposely vague statement? Does that mean Wolf is firmly behind selling the ammo, or has Wolf suddenly gotten into the AK building business? Hard to believe Russians use a 6.5 Grendel in a AK Rifle. If desired, it would be a lot easier for them to create a intermediate cartridge 6.5x39mm with the same body taper and shoulder angle as the 7.62x39? |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:11:59 AM
Originally Posted By Surstromming:
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Wolf was at the event and they are very firmly behind the Grendel, and have some very interesting things regarding AK rifles. Was this purposely vague statement? Does that mean Wolf is firmly behind selling the ammo, or has Wolf suddenly gotten into the AK building business? Hard to believe Russians use a 6.5 Grendel in a AK Rifle. If desired, it would be a lot easier for them to create a intermediate cartridge 6.5x39mm with the same body taper and shoulder angle as the 7.62x39? Hopefully those oddball names will go away as well. e.g LBC etc |
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turboscott
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:13:38 AM
This is good news, now the same thing needs to happen with the .50 Beowulf
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:20:15 AM
Originally Posted By turboscott:
This is good news, now the same thing needs to happen with the .50 Beowulf That will be very tough, because most of the major manufacturers (read SAAMI members) have already jumped into a big bore cartridge, generally the .450 Bushie, and finding a partner to take it to SAAMI AND willing to manufacture brass would be very difficult. The big bore market is much smaller than the intermediate cartridge market, so that would be a big uphill battle. (How many 5.56's, 6.8's, and 6.5's are built for every Beo, .450 Bushie and ..458 SOCOM?) I don't know anyone who has more than one big bore, but I know LOTS of guys with 2, 3, 4, 5 or more of the others. |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:30:02 AM
I wish they would release some Barrels
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:31:29 AM
Good news on the steel case Grendel. I have two rifles I need barrels for and have been holding off waiting on this.
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:31:49 AM
Good to hear. AA's trademark was only there for quality control of the "grendel" name. Now that it has a saami standard its not necessary.
Been waiting on steel cased for years now... barnaul sounds promising. |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:32:18 AM
Hard to tell if they will go away, but one thing for sure they can legally now produce a 6.5 Grendel and that may takes sales away from AA.
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:35:39 AM
I kind of agree with bwaites on this. The 50 Beowulf works, but I wouldn't consider it a "great" cartridge. For one it's over rebated. That gives two reasons why it's low pressure operated. One is the AR 15 bolt isn't strong enough for the bolt thrust that the %0 Beowulf could develop if it were higher pressure. The other is, because it has such a drastic rebated rim, that it could "oil can", or possibly even blow out the web of the cartridge if it was higher pressure.
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Posted: 10/6/2011 10:39:13 AM
[Last Edit: 10/6/2011 11:45:06 AM by DeutschLuger61]
What puzzles me is why Wayne Holt isn't still working for Hornady or Glock?
On the Wolf ammo I have some questions. First I want to say it's always good to have more variety of ammo. Okay, will this new ammo have the hard primers like their 7.62x39 military line that people have trouble with the firing pins in the AR 15 platform? Will the firing mods have to be made, or is it loaded with a move conventional primer? I forgot this so edited to ask: Why didn't AA or Bill Alexander make this announcement here? |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 11:51:27 AM
[Last Edit: 10/6/2011 11:54:31 AM by dasu]
Took long enough! I am now anxiously awaiting other barrel manufacturers to get in gear here but most of all want a Grendel MRP and a 6.5 AK, particularly a VEPR. ( I just wish they had an 18 inch barrel on them.)
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Posted: 10/6/2011 12:16:45 PM
This is exciting news for me on all aspects. I'll be watching as the situation unfolds .
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Posted: 10/6/2011 12:36:24 PM
Great news for the Grendel shooters. I'm very happy to hear it. OP, you know that I'm in the "other" 6+ camp, and for very good reasons ti me, but it was a tough decision to make when I bought my upper. One of the reasons was I was afraid of Mr. Alexander killing this fine cartridge, although since my purchase other 6.5/.264 variants have been made. If I ever get enough cash to build a second 6.+ upper I will be looking very hard at the Grendel.
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Posted: 10/6/2011 1:02:51 PM
Anyone else interested in a 6.5 cal AK? I think the Grendel would be right at home chambered in an AK and the mags are already designed to function with its parent case, plus the improved ballistics and possibility of a cheap source of ammo...win-win-win situation.
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Posted: 10/6/2011 1:27:57 PM
[Last Edit: 10/6/2011 1:28:12 PM by bwaites]
Originally Posted By Powder_Burns:
Anyone else interested in a 6.5 cal AK? I think the Grendel would be right at home chambered in an AK and the mags are already designed to function with its parent case, plus the improved ballistics and possibility of a cheap source of ammo...win-win-win situation. I'm not sure why anyone WANTS an AK, but....LOL!! |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 1:32:14 PM
Originally Posted By Powder_Burns:
Anyone else interested in a 6.5 cal AK? I think the Grendel would be right at home chambered in an AK and the mags are already designed to function with its parent case, plus the improved ballistics and possibility of a cheap source of ammo...win-win-win situation. I know it's cool to have your favorite caliber in a variety of firearms, but wouldn't it be cheaper to shoot the AK47 with the surplus 7.62x39 not knowing how cheap the steel case ammo is going to be? Also I feel the 6.5 Grendel was more designed and geared towards accuracy, especially long range target shooting and also hunting. |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 1:33:38 PM
Originally Posted By Surstromming:
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Wolf was at the event and they are very firmly behind the Grendel, and have some very interesting things regarding AK rifles. Was this purposely vague statement? Does that mean Wolf is firmly behind selling the ammo, or has Wolf suddenly gotten into the AK building business? Hard to believe Russians use a 6.5 Grendel in a AK Rifle. If desired, it would be a lot easier for them to create a intermediate cartridge 6.5x39mm with the same body taper and shoulder angle as the 7.62x39? But less case capacity. The Grendel maximizes the case capacity while still creating a round that will feed well in full auto. |
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Posted: 10/6/2011 1:55:26 PM
Originally Posted By bwaites:
Originally Posted By Surstromming:
Originally Posted By Gunwritr:
Wolf was at the event and they are very firmly behind the Grendel, and have some very interesting things regarding AK rifles. Was this purposely vague statement? Does that mean Wolf is firmly behind selling the ammo, or has Wolf suddenly gotten into the AK building business? Hard to believe Russians use a 6.5 Grendel in a AK Rifle. If desired, it would be a lot easier for them to create a intermediate cartridge 6.5x39mm with the same body taper and shoulder angle as the 7.62x39? But less case capacity. The Grendel maximizes the case capacity while still creating a round that will feed well in full auto. So what, the 7.62x39 necked down to 6.5 still would have a very decent velocity and the cartridge would be more suitable towards semi auto and full automatic firing. Basically the only component being changed would be the barrel....maybe the firing pin. It's not all about velocity. |
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