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I'm also unhappy with their choice of who they're going to farm the actual building of said rifle out to. I understand that they don't have the production capacity to meet the demand for the rifle by themselves, but farming it out to a conglomerate that has interests other than releasing this rifle to the public at large is a mistake. There were other choices they could have made that might have been in the interests of Magpul, the producing company, and the public at large all at the same time. In the original press release they had an estimated MSRP of right around $1400. This isn't going to be another SCAR game? The guys at FN must be off their rocker to think people are going to pay $2700 for that rifle, with that said, what makes you think anything will be different with the Masada? (if they even decide to release the rifle at all) Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the company or their theoretical rifle, however I believe they made a huge mistake here. It's the reason I stand behind the statement that they just did it to say, "Look what we can do" and nothing else. Had that been different, rifles of the Masada design would be... getting sold out just like everything else right now, but it'd be released. Think about this. How many guys are spending $3,500 - $5,000 for an HK416 upper. An upper for cripesake. Seriously, there are people who will pay anything to get their mitts on the gear that SF uses –– even after SF has stopped using it, whether it be for poor performance or politics. No, the SCAR will continue to command take-it-in-the-ass prices. I can't speak for Magpul, but my guess is that they're still in a position to advocate for a sub-$1,500 rifle. |
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Lots of speculation in this thread. I understand that part of the reason for this is the general lack of information available to the public. I wish I could wave a magic wand and spill my guts on the internal ongoings of this project but I can't due to smart business pratices. I can say to hang in there and know we are working very hard to make sure the debut of the ACR is everything the PUBLIC expects, Magpul quality.
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Lots of speculation in this thread. I understand that part of the reason for this is the general lack of information available to the public. I wish I could wave a magic wand and spill my guts on the internal ongoings of this project but I can't due to smart business pratices. I can say to hang in there and know we are working very hard to make sure the debut of the ACR is everything the PUBLIC expects, Magpul quality. Untie panties and chill a bit. That wasn't very helpful.... |
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Lots of speculation in this thread. I understand that part of the reason for this is the general lack of information available to the public. I wish I could wave a magic wand and spill my guts on the internal ongoings of this project but I can't due to smart business pratices. I can say to hang in there and know we are working very hard to make sure the debut of the ACR is everything the PUBLIC expects, Magpul quality. Untie panties and chill a bit. That wasn't very helpful.... It's not enough to know Magpul is busting ass to get the ACR out? Magpul has evolved past experimental stocks and magazine add-ons. They need to protect their increasingly valuable IP in a very competitive business. Most of us get this. The world doesn't revolve around you, pal. Give it a rest. |
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Quoted: I'm not exactly saying that you should hold your breath, but nothing that's been said lately has been bad, except, possibly, that the Bushmaster version's not in FDE. Who the crap said the Bushmaster version is not FDE?!?!?!? Is that speculation or do you have an official source? MUST.... HAVE.... FDE.... |
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Lots of speculation in this thread. I understand that part of the reason for this is the general lack of information available to the public. I wish I could wave a magic wand and spill my guts on the internal ongoings of this project but I can't due to smart business pratices. I can say to hang in there and know we are working very hard to make sure the debut of the ACR is everything the PUBLIC expects, Magpul quality. Untie panties and chill a bit. That wasn't very helpful.... It's not enough to know Magpul is busting ass to get the ACR out? Magpul has evolved past experimental stocks and magazine add-ons. They need to protect their increasingly valuable IP in a very competitive business. Most of us get this. The world doesn't revolve around you, pal. Give it a rest. I'll give it a rest when the ACR becomes available, pal. |
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Lots of speculation in this thread. I understand that part of the reason for this is the general lack of information available to the public. I wish I could wave a magic wand and spill my guts on the internal ongoings of this project but I can't due to smart business pratices. I can say to hang in there and know we are working very hard to make sure the debut of the ACR is everything the PUBLIC expects, Magpul quality. Untie panties and chill a bit. Thanks for putting out such innovative products and staying classy at that. Now when can I pre order my Magpul polymer 1911 plus 1911 pmags? |
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Quoted:Who the crap said the Bushmaster version is not FDE?!?!?!? Is that speculation or do you have an official source?
MUST.... HAVE.... FDE.... It was in that Army Times article I mentioned. Not a periodical I get, but there was a scan posted here in the last month. No idea what their source was, but I'd guess it was someone affiliated with FGI in some capacity. Left-hand column, about 2/3rds of the way down: The military version of the ACR will be tan and the commercial version will be black.
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Lots of speculation in this thread. I understand that part of the reason for this is the general lack of information available to the public. I wish I could wave a magic wand and spill my guts on the internal ongoings of this project but I can't due to smart business pratices. I can say to hang in there and know we are working very hard to make sure the debut of the ACR is everything the PUBLIC expects, Magpul quality. Untie panties and chill a bit. That wasn't very helpful.... At least he replied . . . That's more than some companies would do. |
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Such as? Anyone not hailing from a conglomerate of companies invested up to their gills in the AR15 platform. If they start producing Masada's at extremely competitive prices with AR's, they'll have made a great deal of their manufacturing industry obsolete. If it were up to you between an AR15 and a Masada, which are you going to choose? Personally I'd reach for the Masada considering that it's got two full generations of advancement on the AR, and the Masada can use a great deal of AR parts. I'm not alone, not by a long shot. How many guys are spending $3,500 - $5,000 for an HK416 upper. An upper for cripesake
Rediculous I know. Particularly when there are far better choices out there including complete rifles. This, though, is my fear for Magpul's product. They've got, quite literally, the entire gunowner world buzzing about this rifle and could probably sell it at some ungodly price and still make sales. Now I'm not against profit, not by any stretch, I just was under the impression that Magpul was a better kind of company. One rooted in reality. Quite unlike FN and HK. I hope they, and those they licensed their product to, prove me wrong. |
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If they start producing Masada's at extremely competitive prices with AR's, they'll have made a great deal of their manufacturing industry obsolete. Lots of people are still going to be looking at ARs, I think, for at least the next little while. Parts are everywhere, and there's a huge, pre-existing userbase. It's also possible that the venerable AR-15 could have some advantages over these next-generation, piston-driven, lego guns that might make it suitable in certain niche purposes over the newer designs. In the meantime, it certainly looks like this is the direction the market is going: FN's got the SCAR, CZ's made a little noise about a commercial version of their new S805, and I'd be surprised if Beretta's ARX-160 doesn't get some sort of commercial release, too. About the only thing I'd predict is the marginalization of the piston-operated AR-15. Quoted:
If it were up to you between an AR15 and a Masada, which are you going to choose? Personally I'd reach for the Masada considering that it's got two full generations of advancement on the AR, and the Masada can use a great deal of AR parts. I'm not alone, not by a long shot. Well, no, you're not alone, but posing that sort of question in this forum is going to be a great first-hand experience in selection bias. |
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Lots of speculation in this thread. I understand that part of the reason for this is the general lack of information available to the public. I wish I could wave a magic wand and spill my guts on the internal ongoings of this project but I can't due to smart business pratices. I can say to hang in there and know we are working very hard to make sure the debut of the ACR is everything the PUBLIC expects, Magpul quality. Untie panties and chill a bit. That wasn't very helpful.... At least he replied . . . That's more than some companies would do. Granted, yes, but give us some real info. Even crumbs at this point would be better than anything. On the subject of color. I'll take mine black please...... ETA I don't know if this has been asked before, but it appears that the folding stock will perhaps fit the SCAR? |
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I don't know if this has been asked before, but it appears that the folding stock will perhaps fit the SCAR? Somehow I have a hard time believing that Magpul would waste time, talent and energy working on a stock for the SCAR that looks and functions much like the stock that is already on the SCAR. No money, no prestige in this whatsoever. The SCAR was already being tested and had it's ugly mug posted in just about every firearms journal before the Masada was designed, but it's a stretch to think that Magpul would design an interchangeable stock for the two. Personally, I think the SCAR stock us just too darned clunky and crude compared to the Masada stock. But that's just me. |
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I don't know if this has been asked before, but it appears that the folding stock will perhaps fit the SCAR? Somehow I have a hard time believing that Magpul would waste time, talent and energy working on a stock for the SCAR that looks and functions much like the stock that is already on the SCAR. No money, no prestige in this whatsoever. The SCAR was already being tested and had it's ugly mug posted in just about every firearms journal before the Masada was designed, but it's a stretch to think that Magpul would design an interchangeable stock for the two. Personally, I think the SCAR stock us just too darned clunky and crude compared to the Masada stock. But that's just me. I agree 110%. The last SCAR that I handled had what appeared to me, a cheap flimsy stock that rattled when extended. There is one member here that broke his stock (Don't know how) and had to return his rifle back to FN for a new stock. FN has had it now for three months because FN doesn't have any stocks in the country to replace his broken one. I should think that MAGPUL could come up with a better replacement than the factory FN product. I don't dislike the FN SCAR. It handles nicely, and is quite nimble. I don't like the fact that one cannot obtain spare parts, hence the reason I will not own a SCAR rifle. That, and the issue with the el-cheapo stock assembly. |
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I don't know if this has been asked before, but it appears that the folding stock will perhaps fit the SCAR? Somehow I have a hard time believing that Magpul would waste time, talent and energy working on a stock for the SCAR that looks and functions much like the stock that is already on the SCAR. No money, no prestige in this whatsoever. The SCAR was already being tested and had it's ugly mug posted in just about every firearms journal before the Masada was designed, but it's a stretch to think that Magpul would design an interchangeable stock for the two. Personally, I think the SCAR stock us just too darned clunky and crude compared to the Masada stock. But that's just me. I agree 110%. The last SCAR that I handled had what appeared to me, a cheap flimsy stock that rattled when extended. There is one member here that broke his stock (Don't know how) and had to return his rifle back to FN for a new stock. FN has had it now for three months because FN doesn't have any stocks in the country to replace his broken one. I should think that MAGPUL could come up with a better replacement than the factory FN product. I don't dislike the FN SCAR. It handles nicely, and is quite nimble. I don't like the fact that one cannot obtain spare parts, hence the reason I will not own a SCAR rifle. That, and the issue with the el-cheapo stock assembly. To me the SCAR feels like an off-brand sawzall. It'll do the job, but geez, why bother? |
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Another change in design: the charging handle will be reversable for left handed shooters.
As with most new start-up designs, production is behind schedual, but things are moving along. It'll take a little while longer, but the Masada will find its way into production also. |
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I am encouraged to hear that this is on the front burner of a company that has so much going on. Great pics! I am really looking foward to the release on this. -as an aside what is this 870 holster on your belt? |
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The ACR project continues to move forward. Between Bushmaster, Remington and Magpul, we are all happy with the progress we have made. The ACR continues to be a front burner project. As a side note I need to clarify a few things. I've read a lot of comments that say guys like the Masada better than the ACR and that BM and Rem have changed the design too much. To be honest the ACR and the Masada are very similiar with minimal differences and any changes made have inhanced the overall rifle. We (Magpul) have worked hand in hand with both BM and Rem as the ACR has continued to elvolved. Oh, and for the haters that whine vaporware, flame on. Take into consideration the duration of development time other small arms have endured. In some recent cases over 8 years. If the ACR was ready to move forward with now Rem/BM would. It is not in any of our best interests to push a product that will not satisfy the end user right? When the ACR's ready to rock the masses will have them in their hands. Just know that all hands are on deck. Pics! http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR1b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR2b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR3b.jpg You see guys they are listening and they are working on it. It takes time. Thanks for the Pics thats the number one thing I want to see. I have been somewhat hesitant in the past BUT. Pictures go a long way too keeping me interested and enticed. The pics are great and have that gritty grainy look that shows but not too too much. Somewhat like when the girlfriend emails you a very erotic but not too revealing pic of her self, letting you know what you get when you get home. |
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The ACR project continues to move forward. Between Bushmaster, Remington and Magpul, we are all happy with the progress we have made. The ACR continues to be a front burner project. As a side note I need to clarify a few things. I've read a lot of comments that say guys like the Masada better than the ACR and that BM and Rem have changed the design too much. To be honest the ACR and the Masada are very similiar with minimal differences and any changes made have inhanced the overall rifle. We (Magpul) have worked hand in hand with both BM and Rem as the ACR has continued to elvolved. Oh, and for the haters that whine vaporware, flame on. Take into consideration the duration of development time other small arms have endured. In some recent cases over 8 years. If the ACR was ready to move forward with now Rem/BM would. It is not in any of our best interests to push a product that will not satisfy the end user right? When the ACR's ready to rock the masses will have them in their hands. Just know that all hands are on deck. Pics! http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR1b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR2b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR3b.jpg Is the scoped rifle on the bipod the .308 Massoud? |
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The ACR project continues to move forward. Between Bushmaster, Remington and Magpul, we are all happy with the progress we have made. The ACR continues to be a front burner project. As a side note I need to clarify a few things. I've read a lot of comments that say guys like the Masada better than the ACR and that BM and Rem have changed the design too much. To be honest the ACR and the Masada are very similiar with minimal differences and any changes made have inhanced the overall rifle. We (Magpul) have worked hand in hand with both BM and Rem as the ACR has continued to elvolved. Oh, and for the haters that whine vaporware, flame on. Take into consideration the duration of development time other small arms have endured. In some recent cases over 8 years. If the ACR was ready to move forward with now Rem/BM would. It is not in any of our best interests to push a product that will not satisfy the end user right? When the ACR's ready to rock the masses will have them in their hands. Just know that all hands are on deck. Pics! http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR1b.jpg Remington has some new super ugly bolt gun with a tube gun/pistol grip stock. Their entry into the super ugly-tactical rifle precision gun market. Given the Remington ties to this project now, it's no wonder they'd throw some pics in of their new bolt gun. It's a tan anodized color as well. http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR2b.jpg http://www.magpul.com/pics/ACR3b.jpg Is the scoped rifle on the bipod the .308 Massoud? |
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Here's some info on the 870 holster:
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I see its a remmy product, you think it would work with a mossy 590?
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Thanks for the update Drake. Ditto. With all the flak directed you guys' way, I'm surprised you still bother. Thanks! Looks like a great product. (Mmm, MultiCam and ACR...) I like that Remington has their name on it now. Something about a Remington evil brown rifle that is satisfying, even if Bushmaster still does the civilian market sales. Ha, maybe they'll release a version in whatever the newest flavor of Mossy Oak is called the "Remington Adaptive Hunting Rifle" to follow up the R-15/25 line. |
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so when is the due date for this rifle? I'm itching to get one bigtime.
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so when is the due date for this rifle? I'm itching to get one bigtime. 2 weeks . no really there isnt one, but with the mil trial "due" for fall i think, we most likely wont see one this year, maybe next year if we are lucky, and if it doesnt win (which would be unfortunate), if it does win it might not be till like 2012. P.S. none of these time table are facts only guesses. |
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so when is the due date for this rifle? I'm itching to get one bigtime. Well, the latest I heard from Bushmaster (today, in fact) is that they were trying to get it out the door for a 2010 release. Sucks, but it happens. |
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That is because everyone is matching to the same Federal color standard that is being spec'd out in all new Gov firearms contracts. That sucks. The original FDE looked much better. Guess I'll just get the black version if/when the ACR is released. It would be nice if Bushmaster released the original FDE to the civilian market, but that's probably too costly for two similar colors. ETA: I guess I could just spray paint it. I think the FDE is still Magpul FDE, I think that the colors are played with to make the upper and lower match(some of it could be your monitor). You can see the difference in this pic, whatever they coat the upper w/ just doesn't match the polymer yet: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3434/3743538589_c23372edd5_o.jpg how did you copy the pics from the web site? can you post all the pics from the remington site. |
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The concerns of the handbag-must-match-the-purse crowd. LOL, I've always found this humorous as well. Things like this clearly show that for some, firearms are considered toys and not tools. I don't care what color it is, if it "matches", etc...all I care is that it's reliable and capable of doing what it was designed for - over and over and over again. |
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That is because everyone is matching to the same Federal color standard that is being spec'd out in all new Gov firearms contracts. That sucks. The original FDE looked much better. Guess I'll just get the black version if/when the ACR is released. It would be nice if Bushmaster released the original FDE to the civilian market, but that's probably too costly for two similar colors. ETA: I guess I could just spray paint it. I think the FDE is still Magpul FDE, I think that the colors are played with to make the upper and lower match(some of it could be your monitor). You can see the difference in this pic, whatever they coat the upper w/ just doesn't match the polymer yet: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3434/3743538589_c23372edd5_o.jpg The concerns of the handbag-must-match-the-purse crowd. My point was that it's the same FDE magpul has always used, and that some photos that Remington used are edited so that the upper and lower match. But hey thanks for the insult anyway, you stay classy. |
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A thousand thank you very muches for the link to the info and pics. Shall a thousand camels pass through your village. Shall they pass quickly as to not leave steaming piles of poop everywhere. |
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