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Have we established holster compatibility yet? Does it fit Glock holsters? P80? Proprietary?
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Seems like one video said they were working with some popular holster manufacturers to make sure holsters were available. To me, that sounds like they won't work with some or all existing glock holsters.
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Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory on 4/1/2020: We have many holster manufacturers who have our blue guns and are making the holsters for these guns I type this. We want options available when it is released. Thank you, Josiah View Quote Looks like Triad has a PS9 DAGR holster. |
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Good luck guys, I have waited almost 2 years for the promised .458 socom upper.
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Why would it NOT fit a glock holster? It can't be that different?
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Quoted: Why would it NOT fit a glock holster? It can't be that different? View Quote Look at the trigger guard of a Polymer 80 compared to an OEM GLOCK. |
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I've got a P80 complete on the way from Primary Arms. I'm going to Dremel it until it fits my holsters or there is bare minimum material left. I'm pretty sure I will be able to do the same to the dagger.
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Mid month and still no love here on a new release date.
I even signed back up with a local shooting range encase PSA has something in stock I just got to have. |
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Quoted:Mid month and still no love here on a new release date. View Quote |
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Quoted: Yeah, it's been 5-1/2 weeks (June 8) since Dusty and Josiah last volunteered a release date (end of June). Nothing on the Official Dagger (sic) Thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! either. Radio silence. Maybe that's a good thing. They've slipped the release date every few weeks since February. Maybe we're really getting close this time. View Quote They said in the last video they had issues with getting some parts in stock. Then they had to do some more testing ....I'm wondering if they noticed something that they had to go back and re-work...that is causing them to keep pushing this back...they are way the fuck behind on this release. They should just come out and say we are pushing the release back 1 full year. Then surprise us all with an early release in 2 weeks |
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I think covid has changed $299 gun into a $399 gun and the delay is figuring out how to break the news to us and not piss us off and still make us want to buy the same gun for $100 more . That's what I think . I've been waiting to buy two I check their site three times a day and see their prices going up on all their other stuff and think hmm how long before they bump the MSRP on the dagr
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Quoted: They should just come out and say we are pushing the release back 1 full year. Then surprise us all with an early release in 2 weeks View Quote Quoted: I think covid has changed $299 gun into a $399 gun and the delay is figuring out how to break the news to us and not piss us off and still make us want to buy the same gun for $100 more . View Quote I'm hoping the PS9 DAGR is all boxed up and ready to go. PSA is just waiting on the STICKERS to be reprinted for the second time after the name was changed from DAGR to Dagger back to DAGR. Attached File |
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Quoted: I tend to agree. PSA (the entity) isn't manufacturing the PS9 DAGR. PSA is essentially a reseller, yet it's the PSA name that's been dragged through the mud for the last five months. At some point, you'd expect PSA to say, "Keep quiet! No more promises you can't keep." I think that's what we're seeing (and not hearing). The global pandemic, racial tensions, impending presidential election, ... have all increased demand (and prices). However, I don't think that's what we're seeing. PSA has had problems with the coating, trigger, ejector, ... they spent one month (after SHOT Show) working on the rear iron sight dovetail. In the June 8 Hank Strange video, Dusty said the new, more durable coating would increase the production cost of the PS9 DAGR, but this cost wouldn't be passed onto the consumer. The PS9 DAGR is a price point pistol. It's crucial PSA hit the $299.99 MSRP price point. Having said that, most PSA products sell at well below MSRP. Given the current situation, PSA may well sell the PS9 DAGR at (or even above) MSRP for a long time, possibly years. But I don't expect the MSRP to change. I don't think Glock has increased the MSRP of the G19 even though the market price has increased significantly (assuming you can even find one). I'm hoping the PS9 DAGR is all boxed up and ready to go. PSA is just waiting on the STICKERS to be reprinted for the second time after the name was changed from DAGR to Dagger back to DAGR. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/348220/PS9_DAGR_Sticker_png-1510549.JPG View Quote Yeah, there may have been some good idea creep in the design... they started off with “Glock clone for $299”, which is awesome. But then you add things like geometry tweaks, improved frame, standard metal sights, cheap RMR cut, innovative new finish, new trigger, suppressor sights... you know what? That doesn’t sound like a $300ish Glock clone to me. It’s awesome- but if PSA realizes they were actually creating a $600 improved Glock, they may have painted themselves into a corner. Not that they can’t accomplish that... but doing all of it in one new product, while also delivering on-schedule without manufacturing errors, and maintaining reliability? Pretty lofty goal. The issue isn’t that it CAN’T be done... it’s the speed of getting it done RIGHT NOW. I think the groundbreaking innovation here is to make Glocks as Lego-like as ARs. That’s why PSA wrecked in the AR market. I could build a solid, no-frills AR for $400, why do I need anyone else? Suddenly my good-enough really IS good enough. And when I decide to build a fancy AR, it still starts on a PSA receiver. If they JUST cranked out a “just as good” Glock for half the price, they’d maul the handgun market. Those upgraded aspects are awesome, but the long-term win was always upsetting the Glock supremacy. Not that they aren’t already doing that, of course. But I suspect COVID did a lot more damage to their production capability than their first (or second or fifth) estimate led them to believe. Back in April, it was obvious that shipping and import would be hammered for months. By June, it was clear we’re heading into a sustained gun panic that’ll last till after the election. Trade with China isn’t getting better. The demand for those mags or spare parts or whatever is only getting worse. It may be that Daggers are rolling out in the next week or two. But if they’re as slammed behind the scenes as it looks in public, just keeping up with basic web purchases is about all they’ll be able to accomplish. If that means slow-rolling a bit and starting with just the frame, then one type of slide, THEN the gun- whelp. Better than nothing. At a certain point, someone’s going to have to take the hit and do a press release saying “hey everyone, Projects 1-4 are all delayed until 2021.” Just, whatever you do, DON’T DELAY THAT MP5 AGAIN or there’ll be riots in the streets One actual complaint- misspelling words to make cool acronyms is sillypants. It’s a dagger, ya’ll. A small knife. Spelling it DAGR or DAYGER or DAHJEH doesn’t make people want to buy it any more. Just call it a Dagger and be done with it. |
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Quoted: One actual complaint- misspelling words to make cool acronyms is sillypants. It’s a dagger, ya’ll. A small knife. Spelling it DAGR or DAYGER or DAHJEH doesn’t make people want to buy it any more. Just call it a Dagger and be done with it. View Quote |
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Quoted: they started off with “Glock clone for $299”, which is awesome. But then you add things like geometry tweaks, improved frame, standard metal sights, cheap RMR cut, innovative new finish, new trigger, suppressor sights... you know what? That doesn’t sound like a $300ish Glock clone to me. View Quote I think the groundbreaking innovation here is to make Glocks as Lego-like as ARs. View Quote |
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Yeah, 19.3s are already the top Lego set in handguns (1911s BTFO, boomers on their way out).
What PSA could have done was be the company that did to the custom 19.3 market what Kimber did to the 1911 market. All this dicking around gave Polymer 80 time to realize they literally have everything in their shop required to build complete handguns that are basically out of the box $1000 Gucci Glocks for $499 (what I paid Primary Arms for mine). I don't know if it will be any good. Their shipping department is even more backed up than PSA. Its still theoretically possible I could have the DAGR in my hands before the PFC9. PS: It's possible Polymer 80 was already planning complete PFS/PFCs, or even did them before, but the batch PA got in last week was the first time I ever saw it. |
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Also, dicking around with the finish is stupid, at least for the base model. I know it's gonna wear in a few spots. There is nothing you can do about that. Nitride it and send it out the door if there isn't anything else wrong.
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Quoted: Personally, I think G19.3's are already Lego-like. What's groundbreaking is the price point. The 80% crowd will be thrilled with a $199.99 MSRP PS9 DAGR complete upper assembly. PSA has said they'll offer an 80% version of the PS9 DAGR frame. Imagine what a $49.99 (?) MSRP 80% PS9 DAGR frame will do to that market. View Quote Yeah that’s basically what I’m driving at. At the end of the day, a dirt cheap PS9 is the thing that’ll kill the market. Not the specific finish or trigger or sights. |
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Quoted: Yeah, 19.3s are already the top Lego set in handguns (1911s BTFO, boomers on their way out). What PSA could have done was be the company that did to the custom 19.3 market what Kimber did to the 1911 market. All this dicking around gave Polymer 80 time to realize they literally have everything in their shop required to build complete handguns that are basically out of the box $1000 Gucci Glocks for $499 (what I paid Primary Arms for mine). I don't know if it will be any good. Their shipping department is even more backed up than PSA. Its still theoretically possible I could have the DAGR in my hands before the PFC9. PS: It's possible Polymer 80 was already planning complete PFS/PFCs, or even did them before, but the batch PA got in last week was the first time I ever saw it. View Quote I plan on picking one of those up before too long. They look sweet. |
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I think PSA should do a "Pre-Sale" and limit it to 3 guns . This will allow them a little more time and will give them a gauge to go by on demand....I would pre-order those 3 guns now ...and wait for shipment...even if it was another 60 days out.
I just hope they are not going to release something that is going to have to be sent back...like they did with the AKv....for the love of God, don't fucking pull that shit again. PSA charges like they are a T1 company now...they need to deliver a glock reliable pistol.....if they can do that....Then I'll even buy a shirt |
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Quoted: Also, dicking around with the finish is stupid, at least for the base model. I know it's gonna wear in a few spots. There is nothing you can do about that. Nitride it and send it out the door if there isn't anything else wrong. View Quote Quoted: Yeah that’s basically what I’m driving at. At the end of the day, a dirt cheap PS9 is the thing that’ll kill the market. Not the specific finish or trigger or sights. View Quote "This (Full Lifetime) warranty does not cover normal wear ..." The question then becomes what constitutes "normal wear". They may be concerned with excessive warranty claims. I don't know. leftytheking, I'm not sure I understand your proposal as it relates to the trigger and sights. You think there's a lower cost aftermarket trigger than the Smith & Wesson (like) hinged trigger PSA is developing? I assume they're developing their own trigger to keep the cost down. I can't imagine there's significant cost in the PS9 DAGR metal sights. I suspect most G19 owners replace the Glock plastic front sight and plastic dovetail protector. However, given the "common use" target audience, I think it's important the PS9 DAGR ship with viable sights. PSA can also tout the fact their sights are better than Glocks. |
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Not make excuses about release dates.... but... I wonder if the Covid / Rioting Panic is effecting their ability to get enough material to make "enough" DGAR's... the previous post about limiting sales to 3 per customer made me wonder....or "These things are gonna sell so fast! "
Sales of all firearms is red hot. Which is worse.. releasing a handgun on time ? , or not having enough on hand ? We all wish PSA had every single different firearm / upper / parts bursting at the seams, ready for us to purchase on a whim. Just a thought. And one thing a lot of PSA haters have always complained about, is the consumer being a test bed for new products. So for me.... get it right, straight out of the box is preferred. |
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I can only assume they've encountered other issues since Dusty and Josiah announced the end of June release in the Hank Strange video on June 8. Hank Strange has since taken down the video. This is unfortunate in that the Hank Strange video was the best accounting of the issues PSA has had with the PS9 DAGR (trigger, ejector, coating, dovetail, ...).
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Quoted: Not make excuses about release dates.... but... I wonder if the Covid / Rioting Panic is effecting their ability to get enough material to make "enough" DGAR's... the previous post about limiting sales to 3 per customer made me wonder....or "These things are gonna sell so fast! " Sales of all firearms is red hot. Which is worse.. releasing a handgun on time ? , or not having enough on hand ? We all wish PSA had every single different firearm / upper / parts bursting at the seams, ready for us to purchase on a whim. Just a thought. And one thing a lot of PSA haters have always complained about, is the consumer being a test bed for new products. So for me.... get it right, straight out of the box is preferred. View Quote Enough material to make.... These are parts guns man. Parts arent made in house just assembled. |
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Quoted: I can only assume they've encountered other issues since Dusty and Josiah announced the end of June release in the Hank Strange video on June 8. Hank Strange has since taken down the video. This is unfortunate in that the Hank Strange video was the best accounting of the issues PSA has had with the PS9 DAGR (trigger, ejector, coating, dovetail, ...). View Quote Attached File Is PSA trying to convince people to just order another P80? Because this is how you convince people to just order another P80. Call me a Jeff, whatever, idgaf. This is a critique from a customer who has two of your ARs and shills for you to my non gun people friends that want to get into ARs. Memory holing that video is pretty suspicious. It looks bad. I could maybe see de-listing the video, but not making it unavailable. Whoever decided to memory hole it should feel bad. |
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Quoted: From the PSA FB group View Quote Attached File Well, that's certainly good news. ETA: XeonEvolved, Would you please cross-post this to the Official Dagger Thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Josiah hasn't been providing any updates. |
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Quoted: I can only assume they've encountered other issues since Dusty and Josiah announced the end of June release in the Hank Strange video on June 8. Hank Strange has since taken down the video. This is unfortunate in that the Hank Strange video was the best accounting of the issues PSA has had with the PS9 DAGR (trigger, ejector, coating, dovetail, ...). View Quote He's trying to get it back up, if not on YouTube, then on Full30 or somewhere else. |
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How did we miss this from three weeks ago enjoy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=barYZ1ydUks PSA Dagger 9mm Pre-Production Review |
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Quoted: How did we miss this from three weeks ago enjoy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=barYZ1ydUks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barYZ1ydUks View Quote So if you want update email ferris theyre building it. Also guy in the video already has aftermarket sides and guide rod in. |
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Quoted: So if you want update email ferris theyre building it. Also guy in the video already has aftermarket sides and guide rod in. View Quote Sounded like Chad Wylie their CEO. That gold slide was pretty cool. Seems like they are doing way more than just making a single pistol. Right on PSA!!! |
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Quoted: Sounded like Chad Wylie their CEO. That gold slide was pretty cool. Seems like they are doing way more than just making a single pistol. Right on PSA!!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So if you want update email ferris theyre building it. Also guy in the video already has aftermarket sides and guide rod in. Sounded like Chad Wylie their CEO. That gold slide was pretty cool. Seems like they are doing way more than just making a single pistol. Right on PSA!!! Lmao theyre are not making anything. I was excited about this at first. But psa is not building anything. Another company is building the thing for them and putting psa name on it. |
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Quoted: Lmao theyre are not making anything. I was excited about this at first. But psa is not building anything. Another company is building the thing for them and putting psa name on it. View Quote |
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https://jjech.com/
On mobile so can't go in depth, PSA owned by JJE which (iirc) has Jamin as CEO. While each sister company retains their own name they work in sync to create the PSA umbrella. JJE = Palmetto |
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Quoted: https://jjech.com/ On mobile so can't go in depth, PSA owned by JJE which (iirc) has Jamin as CEO. While each sister company retains their own name they work in sync to create the PSA umbrella. JJE = Palmetto View Quote |
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Are we placing bets on whether it'll be released as the "PS9 Dagger" or the "PS9 DAGR"?
Who'd you rather piss off ... Smith & Wesson (Dagger) or Leupold (DAGR)? PSA has filed to trademark the name "PALMETTO DAGR" (January 8) and "PS9 DAGR" (June 15). PSA has yet to file to trademark the name "DAGGER". My money is on "PS9 DAGR". Place your bets! Place your bets! |
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Quoted: https://jjech.com/ On mobile so can't go in depth, PSA owned by JJE which (iirc) has Jamin as CEO. While each sister company retains their own name they work in sync to create the PSA umbrella. JJE = Palmetto View Quote I worked for a building materials company through college. The name was one thing, who my checks were from was another business name, I transferred stores and those checks were from another business name. All about liability. |
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Quoted: PSA CEO Chad Wylie has said this all along. PSA (the entity) is simply a reseller in this situation. I wish I better understood the nuances of all the sister companies under the larger PSA umbrella and their relationship to one another. I guess the good news is the PS9 DAGR will be sold with the PSA Full Lifetime Warranty. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Lmao theyre are not making anything. I was excited about this at first. But psa is not building anything. Another company is building the thing for them and putting psa name on it. It is a PSA product and will hold the 100% Lifetime Warranty that PSA products come with. Some of the parts may come from our sister companies, just like our AR's and AK's. That does not nullify them from being PSA products. Thank you, Josiah |
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Quoted: This thing coming out before Christmas by any chance View Quote It's been a month and half since Dusty and Josiah (most recently) said the PS9 DAGR (not Dagger) would be released. Has anyone seen or heard any further updates? |
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Quoted: you do realize PSA is more than one company correct? View Quote Correct, it looks like they are part of this capital company. |
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I never received an answer to my question ... who does Dusty work for? PSA the entity? Or one of the sister companies? If so, which one?
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Quoted: Dusty works for the Palmetto State Armory Engineering Division. Thank you, Josiah View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I never received an answer to my question ... who does Dusty work for? PSA the entity? Or one of the sister companies? If so, which one? Dusty works for the Palmetto State Armory Engineering Division. Thank you, Josiah The question should have been....Are you sure he is working? Let me guess...2 more weeks? Attached File |
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