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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:13:50 PM EDT
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not in NJ, but impactguns.com has them. I've used them a lot---they're GTG
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Posted: 5/28/2022 2:53:23 PM EDT
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I’ve handled the Troy and Dark Storm. I went DS, it was just a better built Other. I absolutely love this weapon. You are more than welcome to join me for some range time.
As for your original question, Shooters had Troy in stock not that long ago. I ordered my DS from PK. |
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Posted: 5/28/2022 9:27:26 PM EDT
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May be a stupid question but is it possible to build your own? I'm guessing no because nj.
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Posted: 5/29/2022 5:21:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May be a stupid question but is it possible to build your own? I'm guessing no because nj. something about intent to manufacture illegal weapons due to the parts involved............ FPM FJB FKH |
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Posted: 5/29/2022 8:16:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: something about intent to manufacture illegal weapons due to the parts involved............ FPM FJB FKH Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: May be a stupid question but is it possible to build your own? I'm guessing no because nj. something about intent to manufacture illegal weapons due to the parts involved............ FPM FJB FKH Yeah, that's what I thought. Fuck this state. |
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Posted: 5/29/2022 9:38:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May be a stupid question but is it possible to build your own? I'm guessing no because nj. I believe it is. You have to apply for a Form 1 from the ATF for approval. |
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Posted: 5/29/2022 10:31:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe it is. You have to apply for a Form 1 from the ATF for approval. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: May be a stupid question but is it possible to build your own? I'm guessing no because nj. I believe it is. You have to apply for a Form 1 from the ATF for approval. There is a document that specifically mentions Troy and Dark Storm being approved by all the alphabet government jerkoffs. I carry a copy of it in my range bag. |
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Posted: 5/29/2022 10:57:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe it is. You have to apply for a Form 1 from the ATF for approval. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: May be a stupid question but is it possible to build your own? I'm guessing no because nj. I believe it is. You have to apply for a Form 1 from the ATF for approval. I was always under the impression that it was impossible to Form 1 anything in this state. Thought the nfa didn't exist here. |
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Posted: 5/29/2022 5:28:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was always under the impression that it was impossible to Form 1 anything in this state. Thought the nfa didn't exist here. Not 100% sure but read this. https://www.reddit.com/r/NJGuns/comments/gs8zqe/nj_aows/ |
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Posted: 5/29/2022 8:24:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not 100% sure but read this. https://www.reddit.com/r/NJGuns/comments/gs8zqe/nj_aows/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was always under the impression that it was impossible to Form 1 anything in this state. Thought the nfa didn't exist here. Not 100% sure but read this. https://www.reddit.com/r/NJGuns/comments/gs8zqe/nj_aows/ Yeah, I read that yesterday. I still don't quite understand it. I'm kind of a moron. |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 5:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I read that yesterday. I still don't quite understand it. I'm kind of a moron. Me too. If we can't understand it how will our JBT understand it? |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 6:24:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too. If we can't understand it how will our JBT understand it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, I read that yesterday. I still don't quite understand it. I'm kind of a moron. Me too. If we can't understand it how will our JBT understand it? The JBT will just take their normal stance of...  |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 8:49:00 PM EDT
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Try Tech Ops in Phillpsburg for a Troy A4.
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Posted: 5/31/2022 10:41:36 PM EDT
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An AOW in NJ requires a Form 1, not an Other firearm. I dont understand these people saying you cant build an Other. You cant build one off a gun thats already been transferred as a “rifle” but Stripped lowers should be transferred as an “other” on the 4473 no matter what even before these “other firearms” existed. Theres even FFL’s in NJ that sell stripped lowers that are MARKED “Other Firearm” and according to them have had the approval of the NJSP to do so. On the contrary, the NJSP approval letter that originally came out when the Troy and DSI rifles were introduced was just that, an approval letter and guidelines. Last i checked NJSP cant just make up their own laws from a piece of paper.
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Posted: 6/1/2022 11:59:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try Tech Ops in Phillpsburg for a Troy A4. |
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Posted: 6/1/2022 3:03:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know their current cost? About $1200.00 |
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Posted: 6/1/2022 3:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: About $1200.00 Those who have one, is it worth it? And not necessarily just this manufacturer. |
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Posted: 6/1/2022 6:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks Lugerman. Those who have one, is it worth it? And not necessarily just this manufacturer. For me personally Absolutely. The muzzle blast can be harsh but I always double up my hearing protection. Ive been shooting at short range with very tight groups. My offer stands to anyone who wants a little range time with it. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:54:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For me personally Absolutely. The muzzle blast can be harsh but I always double up my hearing protection. Ive been shooting at short range with very tight groups. My offer stands to anyone who wants a little range time with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks Lugerman. Those who have one, is it worth it? And not necessarily just this manufacturer. For me personally Absolutely. The muzzle blast can be harsh but I always double up my hearing protection. Ive been shooting at short range with very tight groups. My offer stands to anyone who wants a little range time with it. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 12:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know you reload. What are the chamber and barrel specs? Have you chronographed your piece? 12.5 length, 1:7 nitrite , 556 Never did chronograph, (lent mine to someone who shot it up and never replaced it) |
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Posted: 6/6/2022 11:45:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For me personally Absolutely. The muzzle blast can be harsh but I always double up my hearing protection. Ive been shooting at short range with very tight groups. My offer stands to anyone who wants a little range time with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks Lugerman. Those who have one, is it worth it? And not necessarily just this manufacturer. For me personally Absolutely. The muzzle blast can be harsh but I always double up my hearing protection. Ive been shooting at short range with very tight groups. My offer stands to anyone who wants a little range time with it. Yes it’s worth it. Did a few mods to mine. As mentioned above it’s a little blasty. Bought an SLR linear comp to try out. Still need to install.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 11:48:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 12.5 length, 1:7 nitrite , 556 Never did chronograph, (lent mine to someone who shot it up and never replaced it) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know you reload. What are the chamber and barrel specs? Have you chronographed your piece? 12.5 length, 1:7 nitrite , 556 Never did chronograph, (lent mine to someone who shot it up and never replaced it) 
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Posted: 6/7/2022 3:09:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it’s worth it. Did a few mods to mine. As mentioned above it’s a little blasty. Bought an SLR linear comp to try out. Still need to install. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294617/B333EA07-3DC5-4F84-97DE-B14F3C8A0561_jpe-2410044.JPG Great looking rifle!! I think I want one! |
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Posted: 6/7/2022 9:54:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great looking rifle!! I think I want one! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes it’s worth it. Did a few mods to mine. As mentioned above it’s a little blasty. Bought an SLR linear comp to try out. Still need to install. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294617/B333EA07-3DC5-4F84-97DE-B14F3C8A0561_jpe-2410044.JPG Great looking rifle!! I think I want one! Thanks! Yes you should get one. Can’t have too many guns. |
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Posted: 6/8/2022 3:20:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great looking rifle!! I think I want one! It’s actually more fun to shoot than the Krink |
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Posted: 6/10/2022 4:02:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks Lugerman. Those who have one, is it worth it? And not necessarily just this manufacturer. Yeah they're well worth it imo. I'd been pretty jaded from the hobby for a few reasons when a coworker got one in 5.56 he wanted me to put an optic on and sight in. I had no idea they even existed until he showed me his, but after I did that I had to have one, I put a trigger in it and was hitting 6" plates at 150yds 1:1, it was a blast. That led to having to have one set up just like it in 9mm for my girls. That ones equally fun hitting fist sized water balloons at 25yds 1:1. That wound up being heavier (because I put a heavier bolt and all tungsten weights in it with a silent short action captured recoil spring) and now it feels like it "kicks" harder but that's besides the point, it's probably my favorite. The size and weight of these make shooting fun again. As a side note, on the 5.56 I got a Mantis/Blackbeard laser/trigger reset system for dry fire practice, that thing is a lot of fun around the house and good for practicing walking and shooting and point shooting if you're into that kinda stuff. |
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Posted: 6/10/2022 4:06:57 PM EDT
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A side note, they're available in 10.5" or 12.5"
If you get a 10.5" it's obviously shorter, but the muzzle attachment has to be pinned and welded (but we're used to that) If you get a 12.5 you can leave it "threaded" and swap out whatever attachments you want including flash hiders, so you can pretend you live in America. Both options have their pros and cons, I went with 10.5"'s |
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Posted: 6/11/2022 8:58:26 PM EDT
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I've shot a few, they are cool and fun. For me though I just prefer my tavor it's the same OAL as an other..
Buddy has one in 300blk it's fun with his can. Most guys I know built theres |
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Posted: 6/12/2022 10:34:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most guys I know built theres On one hand, I wanna say I hope they have Nappen on retainer, as that's a lot to explain to an average cop and I know damn well they'd "take it and let the court figure it out" but on the other hand, I don't even know where my stupid permission slips are... |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 3:45:13 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On one hand, I wanna say I hope they have Nappen on retainer, as that's a lot to explain to an average cop and I know damn well they'd "take it and let the court figure it out" but on the other hand, I don't even know where my stupid permission slips are... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most guys I know built theres On one hand, I wanna say I hope they have Nappen on retainer, as that's a lot to explain to an average cop and I know damn well they'd "take it and let the court figure it out" but on the other hand, I don't even know where my stupid permission slips are... |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 10:41:39 PM EDT
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People's lack of understanding of both the law and the gravity of it is stunning. A friend of mine has one and mentioned taking off the "stupid vfg" I was like whoah whoah whoah and explained it to him and he just said "well that's stupid" (which it is) but when I explained the ramifications of it, he just looked at me like I was being paranoid and exaggerating or something. Then online in another group I saw a guy mention swapping out the brace for a stock!
I can explain it to people, but I can't understand it for them. For those that aren't sure, the law is very specific to the configuration and length, by configuration it means *no stock* (unlike a rifle) and has to have a vfg because it's designed to be held with 2 hands (unlike a pistol) It's best to read their verbiage yourself but understand what they're looking for and why, it's not something you can just "wing" in this state. You MIGHT be able to and MIGHT be fine, but the consequences if you aren't can and will probably be bad. Not something to chance. I'm not looking to argue or debate could/should can/are and am. I'm all for freedom, esp my own! We've all seen what this state does to innocent people. Read it, read it and again, UNDERSTAND it, then get one and enjoy the hell out of it, cause it's worth it! https://www.docdroid.net/bPx8Wvb/njsp-fiu-troy-a4-other-approval-letter-pdf |
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Posted: 6/15/2022 12:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People's lack of understanding of both the law and the gravity of it is stunning. A friend of mine has one and mentioned taking off the "stupid vfg" I was like whoah whoah whoah and explained it to him and he just said "well that's stupid" (which it is) but when I explained the ramifications of it, he just looked at me like I was being paranoid and exaggerating or something. Then online in another group I saw a guy mention swapping out the brace for a stock! I can explain it to people, but I can't understand it for them. For those that aren't sure, the law is very specific to the configuration and length, by configuration it means *no stock* (unlike a rifle) and has to have a vfg because it's designed to be held with 2 hands (unlike a pistol) It's best to read their verbiage yourself but understand what they're looking for and why, it's not something you can just "wing" in this state. You MIGHT be able to and MIGHT be fine, but the consequences if you aren't can and will probably be bad. Not something to chance. I'm not looking to argue or debate could/should can/are and am. I'm all for freedom, esp my own! We've all seen what this state does to innocent people. Read it, read it and again, UNDERSTAND it, then get one and enjoy the hell out of it, cause it's worth it! https://www.docdroid.net/bPx8Wvb/njsp-fiu-troy-a4-other-approval-letter-pdf NZT |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 9:29:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People's lack of understanding of both the law and the gravity of it is stunning. A friend of mine has one and mentioned taking off the "stupid vfg" I was like whoah whoah whoah and explained it to him and he just said "well that's stupid" (which it is) but when I explained the ramifications of it, he just looked at me like I was being paranoid and exaggerating or something. Then online in another group I saw a guy mention swapping out the brace for a stock! I can explain it to people, but I can't understand it for them. For those that aren't sure, the law is very specific to the configuration and length, by configuration it means *no stock* (unlike a rifle) and has to have a vfg because it's designed to be held with 2 hands (unlike a pistol) It's best to read their verbiage yourself but understand what they're looking for and why, it's not something you can just "wing" in this state. You MIGHT be able to and MIGHT be fine, but the consequences if you aren't can and will probably be bad. Not something to chance. I'm not looking to argue or debate could/should can/are and am. I'm all for freedom, esp my own! We've all seen what this state does to innocent people. Read it, read it and again, UNDERSTAND it, then get one and enjoy the hell out of it, cause it's worth it! https://www.docdroid.net/bPx8Wvb/njsp-fiu-troy-a4-other-approval-letter-pdf Well said... I carry the documents printed from the link above in my range bag “just in case”... |
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Posted: 6/17/2022 12:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well said... I carry the documents printed from the link above in my range bag "just in case"... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People's lack of understanding of both the law and the gravity of it is stunning. A friend of mine has one and mentioned taking off the "stupid vfg" I was like whoah whoah whoah and explained it to him and he just said "well that's stupid" (which it is) but when I explained the ramifications of it, he just looked at me like I was being paranoid and exaggerating or something. Then online in another group I saw a guy mention swapping out the brace for a stock! I can explain it to people, but I can't understand it for them. For those that aren't sure, the law is very specific to the configuration and length, by configuration it means *no stock* (unlike a rifle) and has to have a vfg because it's designed to be held with 2 hands (unlike a pistol) It's best to read their verbiage yourself but understand what they're looking for and why, it's not something you can just "wing" in this state. You MIGHT be able to and MIGHT be fine, but the consequences if you aren't can and will probably be bad. Not something to chance. I'm not looking to argue or debate could/should can/are and am. I'm all for freedom, esp my own! We've all seen what this state does to innocent people. Read it, read it and again, UNDERSTAND it, then get one and enjoy the hell out of it, cause it's worth it! https://www.docdroid.net/bPx8Wvb/njsp-fiu-troy-a4-other-approval-letter-pdf Well said... I carry the documents printed from the link above in my range bag "just in case"... |
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