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Posted: 2/20/2021 9:14:26 PM EDT
From a Texan:

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NG plants must winterize.
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Link Posted: 2/21/2021 10:30:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:


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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Originally Posted By 762AR25:
NG plants must winterize.


FPNI


Not only winterize, but not have the Feds tell the Railroad Commission they could not increase natural gas transmission. Pedo Joe and the Ho’s war on fossil fuel will only make things a lot worse.

Wind turbine/windmills and solar can go down to easily during bad weather. Texas doesn’t get cold weather with snow and ice storms that last more than one or two days, not over a week.
Link Posted: 2/21/2021 10:53:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 762AR25:
NG plants must winterize.
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Would help and probably be the most effective.  I'd say go back to parasitic pumps too.  I'd rather have 50K+ MW of LFTRs spread around though.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:31:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BeNotAfraid:
From a Texan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLcStTYZQO8
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very informative video
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 10:49:40 AM EDT
El Paso is not part of ERCOT.  They had very few problems last week because the grid they're on was prepared.
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Originally Posted By TXGUNNER308:
El Paso is not part of ERCOT.  They had very few problems last week because the grid they're on was prepared.
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El Paso is part of the Western grid, so they could have power from plants outside the affected area. Since there are plants on the Western grid that are in heavy snow freezing area like Montana and Wyoming they have tougher winterizing standards.

But from an interview I heard over the weekend ERCOT did not even do a winterizing inspection.
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Originally Posted By DonofKalifornia:


El Paso is part of the Western grid, so they could have power from plants outside the affected area. Since there are plants on the Western grid that are in heavy snow freezing area like Montana and Wyoming they have tougher winterizing standards.

But from an interview I heard over the weekend ERCOT did not even do a winterizing inspection.
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I heard the same...pitiful!
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Originally Posted By 762AR25:
NG plants must winterize.
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*six months later*

"What happened, all the /gas/ turbines are overheating and shedding load!"
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 9:32:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BeNotAfraid:
MOAR:

Why Texans Lost Their Power
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LOL

99% of article is why New England lost power in 1989, basically because of gas pressure issues. Then he concludes says "Wind power did this to Texas."
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 11:15:50 PM EDT
Every single person in Texas should be required to have a generator and 10,000 rounds of ammo.
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Originally Posted By 762AR25:
NG plants must winterize.
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Just curious, but are y'all willing to pay for the winterizing via increased utility cost or more in taxes?

Having been in NTX for 20 years this storm was the first time I've seen it this cold, this long.  Our grid is more designed to handle heat waves and hurricanes.

Semper Fi
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 10:07:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dave5339:

Just curious, but are y'all willing to pay for the winterizing via increased utility cost or more in taxes?

Having been in NTX for 20 years this storm was the first time I've seen it this cold, this long.  Our grid is more designed to handle heat waves and hurricanes.

Semper Fi
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People will as long as they think someone else is going to pay for it. It does seem that the basic stuff may have not been done to help out but we will really never know the full story.  All I know is the reason they said this storm was a record breaker was because it’s never happened before and I will most likely be long gone before it ever happens again.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:47:09 PM EDT
Texas lost a nuke plant due to a bad sensor, several thermal plants because they froze, and a bunch of gas plants because the pipelines and wells froze. Natural gas turbine plants don't freeze like oil coal nuclear that require water for cooling
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[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 12:49:41 PM EDT by jestertoo]
Texas prioritizes natural gas to go to residential customers and then businesses then the power plants.

They had plenty of time to winterize the natural gas pipeline since 2011 when it happened and they studied it and they audited it and nothing was done.

almost all of the plants that had remediation needed after 2011 had done it or were due to be reinspected after after fixes early this year. Almost all had fixed their issues from what I read
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 12:57:02 PM EDT
My county borders Louisiana and , along with several others, is NOT a part of ERCOT. I'm going to find out what the deal is. We never lost power due to issues other than a fallen tree.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 4:11:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
My county borders Louisiana and , along with several others, is NOT a part of ERCOT. I'm going to find out what the deal is. We never lost power due to issues other than a fallen tree.
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Yeah. El Paso is hooked up to Western. The entire north/eastern border hooks up to the eastern grid.

Neither of those lost power. Eastern came close to rolling blackouts tho due to their own ice storm demands.
Link Posted: 2/24/2021 12:18:51 PM EDT
Well if "they" (us tax payers) can subsidize green energy.  Then they can help pay for the winterization.
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Originally Posted By dave5339:

Just curious, but are y'all willing to pay for the winterizing via increased utility cost or more in taxes?
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My understanding is that if some minor winterizing had been done, it would have cost nearly nothing and would have limited us to the rolling blackouts that we initially were expecting.  15 minutes without power every 3 hours.

I'm willing to pay under a dollar more for my power each year to keep people from dying in freak winter storms.

Instead, we have corporations that tried so save a buck, that neglected seasonal preps, and now the state and individuals have billions of dollars of repairs to do.  You thought your homeowners insurance went up after the black mold issue?  Wait until you see how it increases over the next few years!

You're going to be paying much more for this disaster (in many other ways) than it would have cost in increased power costs if they had winterized.
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Originally Posted By jestertoo:
Texas prioritizes natural gas to go to residential customers and then businesses then the power plants.

They had plenty of time to winterize the natural gas pipeline since 2011 when it happened and they studied it and they audited it and nothing was done.

almost all of the plants that had remediation needed after 2011 had done it or were due to be reinspected after after fixes early this year. Almost all had fixed their issues from what I read
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The priority is not well thought out, if the power plants cause the grid to shut down businesses can not open/operate and homes are without power. At least if you had a priority for businesses to shut down major gas users the businesses could plan better than people in their homes.

At least with a ice/snow storm or even a hurricane you have a couple days to get prepared, especially industry and power generation.
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