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Posted: 2/12/2020 12:10:48 AM EDT
I can't keep track of all the laws and iniatives.  If my spouse has a CPL, can she carry a pistol registered to me? Or only ones registered in her name?
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 1:16:18 AM EDT
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Immediate family is exempt from 594
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 1:47:35 AM EDT
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Not that simple. Immediate family members are exempt from the background check requirement if the firearm being transferred is a "bona fide gift or loan". Normally I would call it community property, but the fact that they call this out in the statute would make me cautious. A temporary transfer can occur to prevent loss of life, but that would not cover someone carrying another persons firearm all day. I guess you could "gift" it to each other back and forth?

RCW 9.41.113

Firearm sales or transfers—Background checks—Requirements—Exceptions.
(1) All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law. The background check requirement applies to all sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers through a licensed dealer, at gun shows, online, and between unlicensed persons.
(2) No person shall sell or transfer a firearm unless:
(a) The person is a licensed dealer;
(b) The purchaser or transferee is a licensed dealer; or
(c) The requirements of subsection (3) of this section are met.
(3) Where neither party to a prospective firearms transaction is a licensed dealer, the parties to the transaction shall complete the sale or transfer through a licensed dealer as follows:
(a) The seller or transferor shall deliver the firearm to a licensed dealer to process the sale or transfer as if it is selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, except that the unlicensed seller or transferor may remove the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted. If the seller or transferor removes the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted, the purchaser or transferee and the seller or transferor shall return to the business premises of the licensed dealer and the seller or transferor shall again deliver the firearm to the licensed dealer prior to completing the sale or transfer.
(b) Except as provided in (a) of this subsection, the licensed dealer shall comply with all requirements of federal and state law that would apply if the licensed dealer were selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, including but not limited to conducting a background check on the prospective purchaser or transferee in accordance with federal and state law requirements, fulfilling all federal and state recordkeeping requirements, and complying with the specific requirements and restrictions on semiautomatic assault rifles in chapter 3, Laws of 2019.
(c) The purchaser or transferee must complete, sign, and submit all federal, state, and local forms necessary to process the required background check to the licensed dealer conducting the background check.
(d) If the results of the background check indicate that the purchaser or transferee is ineligible to possess a firearm, then the licensed dealer shall return the firearm to the seller or transferor.
(e) The licensed dealer may charge a fee that reflects the fair market value of the administrative costs and efforts incurred by the licensed dealer for facilitating the sale or transfer of the firearm.
(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan;
(b) The sale or transfer of an antique firearm;
(c) A temporary transfer of possession of a firearm if such transfer is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to the person to whom the firearm is transferred if:
(i) The temporary transfer only lasts as long as immediately necessary to prevent such imminent death or great bodily harm; and
(ii) The person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law;

(d) A temporary transfer of possession of a firearm if: (i) The transfer is intended to prevent suicide or self-inflicted great bodily harm; (ii) the transfer lasts only as long as reasonably necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm; and (iii) the firearm is not utilized by the transferee for any purpose for the duration of the temporary transfer;
(e) Any law enforcement or corrections agency and, to the extent the person is acting within the course and scope of his or her employment or official duties, any law enforcement or corrections officer, United States marshal, member of the armed forces of the United States or the national guard, or federal official;
(f) A federally licensed gunsmith who receives a firearm solely for the purposes of service or repair, or the return of the firearm to its owner by the federally licensed gunsmith;
(g) The temporary transfer of a firearm (i) between spouses or domestic partners; (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such range is located; (iii) if the temporary transfer occurs and the transferee's possession of the firearm is exclusively at a lawful organized competition involving the use of a firearm, or while participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group that uses firearms as a part of the performance; (iv) to a person who is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; (v) under circumstances in which the transferee and the firearm remain in the presence of the transferor; or (vi) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting, provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law;
(h) A person who (i) acquired a firearm other than a pistol by operation of law upon the death of the former owner of the firearm or (ii) acquired a pistol by operation of law upon the death of the former owner of the pistol within the preceding sixty days. At the end of the sixty-day period, the person must either have lawfully transferred the pistol or must have contacted the department of licensing to notify the department that he or she has possession of the pistol and intends to retain possession of the pistol, in compliance with all federal and state laws; or
(i) A sale or transfer when the purchaser or transferee is a licensed collector and the firearm being sold or transferred is a curio or relic.
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 2:05:03 AM EDT
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Not that simple. Immediate family members are exempt from the background check requirement if the firearm being transferred is a "bona fide gift or loan". Normally I would call it community property, but the fact that they call this out in the statute would make me cautious. A temporary transfer can occur to prevent loss of life, but that would not cover someone carrying another persons firearm all day. I guess you could "gift" it to each other back and forth?
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That's exactly what you do. Who is to say any different?

No need to overthink this.
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 12:35:17 PM EDT
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Also, there is (currently) no "registry".  It's only a database of recorded transfers through a dealer.
Stuff comes from out of state and flows through the "exceptions" all the time.
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 1:38:39 PM EDT
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Also, there is (currently) no "registry".  It's only a database of recorded transfers through a dealer.
Stuff comes from out of state and flows through the "exceptions" all the time.
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How is that NOT a registry?  There absolutely is a registry in this state.  Is it complete and accurate?  Certainly not because of all the firearms transferred before I-594, those coming from out of state as people move here, etc., but it is still a registry.

The DOL even has a form you can fill out to see what your purchase history is:
https://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/training/652012.pdf
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 1:39:26 PM EDT
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Thanks for the replies. I assume that if she qualifies for a CPL, she would be eligible to possess a gift or loan.
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 2:35:51 PM EDT
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Guns are not directly registered... A subset of transfers are recorded. Subtle difference.

But married are community property anyway as well as the family exemptions in the law. Nobody has been charged with violating 594 except the one murderer they made an example out of. So I'm not too worried about it and would rather see civil disobedience than anything else. Maybe if someone does finally get charged we can get a real legal challenge. Seems unlikely, they seem more interested with keeping it on the books than enforcing it and opening it up to litigation.
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 4:38:55 PM EDT
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Guns are not directly registered... A subset of transfers are recorded. Subtle difference.
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That makes no sense, "a subset of transfers are recorded"?  Handguns, and now SARs, are DIRECTLY registered to you if purchased at a dealer.  And now that all transfers (by law) go through an FFL, the registry is growing every day.  When I submit the FTA form for either pistols or SARs, the state enters ALL the information into a database (i.e. registry).  Your name, address, make, model, serial number, etc.  When you submit that form to the DOL to see your purchase history, you submit your personal information, and they tell you what is registered to you.  You don't submit a serial number and see who it is registered to.  But law enforcement can query the registry that way, and see who a firearm is currently registered to.

Are there pre-I-594 firearms out there that won't be captured?  Yes.  But any handgun bought at an FFL in the last 20 years is REGISTERED to A PERSON.  Bought a Glock 17 from an FFL in 1993, it's registered to you.  Subsequently sold it "private party" pre-I-594?  Unless you filled out the voluntary form, it's STILL registered to you!

Just blows my mind that people don't actually believe we have a registry in this state, when you put the proof of its existence right in front of them.  But hey, if it makes you feel better to call a registry by a different name like "transfer database", do so.  But it is still a registry, regardless of what you choose to call it.
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 7:47:13 PM EDT
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Yeah never understood it. You have to fill out the DOL form, so how anyone doesnt think it isn't a registry is beyond me.

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That makes no sense, "a subset of transfers are recorded"?  Handguns, and now SARs, are DIRECTLY registered to you if purchased at a dealer.  And now that all transfers (by law) go through an FFL, the registry is growing every day.  When I submit the FTA form for either pistols or SARs, the state enters ALL the information into a database (i.e. registry).  Your name, address, make, model, serial number, etc.  When you submit that form to the DOL to see your purchase history, you submit your personal information, and they tell you what is registered to you.  You don't submit a serial number and see who it is registered to.  But law enforcement can query the registry that way, and see who a firearm is currently registered to.

Are there pre-I-594 firearms out there that won't be captured?  Yes.  But any handgun bought at an FFL in the last 20 years is REGISTERED to A PERSON.  Bought a Glock 17 from an FFL in 1993, it's registered to you.  Subsequently sold it "private party" pre-I-594?  Unless you filled out the voluntary form, it's STILL registered to you!

Just blows my mind that people don't actually believe we have a registry in this state, when you put the proof of its existence right in front of them.  But hey, if it makes you feel better to call a registry by a different name like "transfer database", do so.  But it is still a registry, regardless of what you choose to call it.
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Link Posted: 2/12/2020 7:51:59 PM EDT
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Yeah, the people wanting to control everything and everyone call it" background check" sounds good.  People that pay attention know that it's registration.  If it was a background check to see if I was legally eligible to possess a firearm, why would the make, model, and serial number be required?  If I have a CPL why the ten day + waiting period?  So many things wrong with our state, oh wait, our state constitution will protect the law abiding citizens!
Link Posted: 2/12/2020 9:33:40 PM EDT
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I can't keep track of all the laws and iniatives.  If my spouse has a CPL, can she carry a pistol registered to me? Or only ones registered in her name?
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Well the real question is when was the pistol originally purchased?? Before 594, then who cares, they cant prove one way or another
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 1:24:01 PM EDT
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A registry implies active tracking of the firearm, if I destroy or sell out of state, does the dol record get updated? No.

It's a transfer record which is a de facto registry. It's not like a car where you're required to update the state when you move or sell the thing. Again subtle difference, it doesn't make it "right".
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