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Posted: 12/11/2018 7:03:52 PM EDT
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It's pretty much like rural MN but with higher property taxes, lower income taxes, slightly better gun laws, and people who support a different college/pro football team and baseball team.
If you want land, you may want to stay in MN. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 7:10:18 PM EDT
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It's pretty much like rural MN but with higher property taxes, lower income taxes, slightly better gun laws, and people who support a different college/pro football team and baseball team. If you want land, you may want to stay in MN. Please elaborate as to the gun law specifics, and why there is no land in Wisconsin. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 8:15:05 PM EDT
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Minnesota may not be a viable option for us in a couple years, why I'm looking. We are quickly modeling our politics from Kalifornistan. Please elaborate as to the gun law specifics, and why there is no land in Wisconsin. No goofy permit to purchase, I think their NFA laws are better iirc, dont remember specifically, no duty to retreat in your vehicle or home(double check that). WI isn't really more conserthan MN. If you're looking to insulate yourself from derpy gun control...SD and ND are better bets. |
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Posted: 12/12/2018 11:09:07 AM EDT
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MN ccw requires a new training class every 5 years upon renewal. I may be wrong, but AFAIK, that's the only state with that requirement. License is $100. I had one from 2006-11. Our ccw permit costs $40, and there's a wide range of training qualifiers and there are even free classes available, no re-training on renewal, renewal fee is $20.
WI doesn't have the "permit to purchase" BS on handguns and "assault weapons" that MN has. WI has permitless open carry. WI does not require long guns to be encased in vehicles, but they must be unloaded. "Unloaded" means no cartridges in chamber nor in any magazine integral on the gun or inserted into it. As for WI property taxes, I have no bitch with my property taxes. They haven't changed much at all since since I moved here, to this house, in 1991. In fact, I think this past year they were a little lower than 1990s taxes usually were. I have a 2400 sq ft, 9 room, 4 bedroom, 2 bath home, built in 1980. 2 car attached garage, 36' x 36' pole barn built in 1993, all on 2 acres. Taxes are currently about $1250. 
Land prices are higher the further south you are, or near metro areas, than they are in the north. Wooded land prices near "tourist" areas are kinda high, about $1500 per acre on average. My youngest daughter (36) lives in Farmington MN, and recently bought 62 acres of woods with an old cabin & newer garage on it, but she had to go to the U.P. of MI to get a decent deal. Everything she looked at in MN & WI was much more than the $45K she paid in MI. |
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Posted: 12/12/2018 11:26:35 AM EDT
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@rfb45colt
How are the general politics over there? Does it seem like the libs are taking over or loosing ground? I understand you currently have a mixed gov't now, with a dem Governor. |
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Posted: 12/12/2018 11:36:57 AM EDT
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Property taxes will vary greatly depending on where you buy. I'm in Beaver Dam, which is about 30 minutes from the edge of Madison, and paid $2,900 last year for a 1450 sq ft house built in 1955 on a .25 lot in the middle of town. I feel that is a rip off. The plus, if you can call it that, is the taxes were around $2300 when I bought the place 12 years ago, so they haven't gone up too much during that time. Our city is also very strict about re-assessing properties for the full purchase price the year after the sale occurs.
Home prices here went nuts this year, and I'm not sure buyers took that into account, but maybe they are ok paying $5,000-$8,000 a year for houses on .3-.5 acre lots in the city. One really nice house just came on the market and had an offer in a day, it's 3800 sq ft, very nice looking inside and out, but sits on only .55 acres and if they get anywhere near their asking price, the taxes will be around $12,000 a year. So if you plan to stay north in more rural areas, your taxes might not be too bad, but get anywhere near a metro area and they really do suck. |
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Posted: 12/12/2018 12:17:56 PM EDT
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@rfb45colt How are the general politics over there? Does it seem like the libs are taking over or loosing ground? I understand you currently have a mixed gov't now, with a dem Governor. I could see Marijuana legalization in the next few years, but i don't see any huge liberal agendas getting through. Especially when the Republicans own the legislative branch. |
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Posted: 12/13/2018 10:30:12 PM EDT
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It's really not a good place to move to, you would be better off staying in MN.
The Dakotas might be an option, or Iowa. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 11:09:59 AM EDT
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@rfb45colt How are the general politics over there? Does it seem like the libs are taking over or loosing ground? I understand you currently have a mixed gov't now, with a dem Governor. Rural taxes are way lower than village/city. My taxes this year were about $2,400, 1600sq/ft .9Acre in town. Guy that works for us has 30acres with a smaller house & his is the same as mine. Shore line taxes are insane. I see quite a few people migrating away from MN. The employee mentioned above was born & raised in the cities. He left about 20yrs ago as he was sick of the state. Rural areas, especially to the north, are still staunchly conservative with Superior & Bayfiled excluded. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 11:30:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What area are you looking at? With the gov't that was elected in November, there is no saving MN. I mean for God's sake, MN elected an AG who is under actual LE investigation for physical abuse (police reports and everything, made national news)! Both the new AG and new Gov are RADICALLY far left progressives, and have vowed to all but ban all guns in this state (RINOs hold a 1 seat majority in Senate to hold them off...), import as many Somalians and middle eastern "refugees" as humanly possible, and the red line for my wife: really F with homeschool laws. I fear its time to FO or pop P-Mags, I'd rather fo. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 12:02:11 PM EDT
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Anywhere, really. Preferably close-ish to MN metro area, as my family lives west of metro, would like to keep the drive under 2.5 hours. With the gov't that was elected in November, there is no saving MN. I mean for God's sake, MN elected an AG who is under actual LE investigation for physical abuse (police reports and everything, made national news)! Both the new AG and new Gov are RADICALLY far left progressives, and have vowed to all but ban all guns in this state (RINOs hold a 1 seat majority in Senate to hold them off...), import as many Somalians and middle eastern "refugees" as humanly possible, and the red line for my wife: really F with homeschool laws. I fear its time to FO or pop P-Mags, I'd rather fo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What area are you looking at? With the gov't that was elected in November, there is no saving MN. I mean for God's sake, MN elected an AG who is under actual LE investigation for physical abuse (police reports and everything, made national news)! Both the new AG and new Gov are RADICALLY far left progressives, and have vowed to all but ban all guns in this state (RINOs hold a 1 seat majority in Senate to hold them off...), import as many Somalians and middle eastern "refugees" as humanly possible, and the red line for my wife: really F with homeschool laws. I fear its time to FO or pop P-Mags, I'd rather fo. Finding the property won’t be an issue, around me anyway, employment on the other hand may be factor. I’m about 1.5hrs from Forest Lake. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 12:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I'm glad I don't live there any longer. Finding the property won't be an issue, around me anyway, employment on the other hand may be factor. I'm about 1.5hrs from Forest Lake. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 12:22:07 PM EDT
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It's really not a good place to move to, you would be better off staying in MN. Why do you say that? |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 2:09:35 PM EDT
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I'll be moving my business over, so good to know land is available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yeah, I'm glad I don't live there any longer. Finding the property won't be an issue, around me anyway, employment on the other hand may be factor. I'm about 1.5hrs from Forest Lake. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 2:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Around me vacant property is about $1.5-2k/Acre asking price. A house will jump that up a little bit, depending on some variables. All depends on how much land & how nice of a house you want. Fixer-uppers go for pretty cheap with acreage. Example: Another employee is eying a house that had the exterior remodeled & the interior needs to be redone, but it's a 5BR 2-bath that comes with 22Acres for $100k. $150k gets you about 1.5 acres and a house that needs significant work in the country. Its nearly impossible to get over 10 acres around here with a nice house and we are talking 300k minimum if you do. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:00:16 PM EDT
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Holy SHIT that is cheap compared to around here. $150k gets you about 1.5 acres and a house that needs significant work in the country. Its nearly impossible to get over 10 acres around here with a nice house and we are talking 300k minimum if you do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Around me vacant property is about $1.5-2k/Acre asking price. A house will jump that up a little bit, depending on some variables. All depends on how much land & how nice of a house you want. Fixer-uppers go for pretty cheap with acreage. Example: Another employee is eying a house that had the exterior remodeled & the interior needs to be redone, but it's a 5BR 2-bath that comes with 22Acres for $100k. $150k gets you about 1.5 acres and a house that needs significant work in the country. Its nearly impossible to get over 10 acres around here with a nice house and we are talking 300k minimum if you do. If you move south-ward of SCF to Hudson area the price goes way up & large parcels are hard to come by unless SE/94. Seriously, do some MLS searching in Burnette & Polk Co. Heck even the surrounding Rice Lake area (Barron) isn't all that bad. You will be surprised what you see compared to a cities market. It's like I said, I see a lot of conservative MN types moving to my neck of the North woods. Personally, I welcome you with open arms as it's going to take every last conservative minded MN transplant to offset the IL libs invading the south. Lets go shooting & Ill be happy to show you around the area. If you like to hunt, this is prime private property territory for that. Add: Oh, & Home School laws are pretty good. WI implemented WIforward which is an internet based home schooling platform. Our schools are rather conservative. The one black student last year had a parent that had "Hillary for Prison" painted on the bumper of her truck. Back when the walk-outs after the FL shooting, Webster had a total of 2 wenches go out & protest. My kids school had zero, & in fact my son & his class mates actually discussed how to take down a school shooter while in study hall with the teacher participating, not with stupid rocks, but with firearms. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:07:47 PM EDT
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I hear ya. If you move south-ward of SCF to Hudson area the price goes way up & large parcels are hard to come by unless SE/94. Seriously, do some MLS searching in Burnette & Polk Co. Heck even the surrounding Rice Lake area (Barron) isn't all that bad. You will be surprised what you see compared to a cities market. It's like I said, I see a lot of conservative MN types moving to my neck of the North woods. Personally, I welcome you with open arms as it's going to take every last conservative minded MN transplant to offset the IL libs invading the south. Lets go shooting & Ill be happy to show you around the area. If you like to hunt, this is prime private property territory for that. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:12:47 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, we need a good team of pediatric therapists for one of my sons, as he needs speech and occupational therapy. How are services like that out there? Look into Saint Croix Regional Medical center. They may have something you are looking for, but I'm not sure. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:12:47 PM EDT
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Oh, and I need to be reasonably close (within 30-40 minutes) to a UPS hub for my business, so its looking like Eau Claire, Rice Lake or close to Red Wing, MN are the ideal general-ish locations.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:24:52 PM EDT
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Looks like there is a pediatric therapy place in Menomonie that has great reviews, close enough to a UPS hub in Eau Claire, may be a good starting place to scout out.
The wife and I would rather NOT leave MN, but I think its inevitable. We do plan on traveling to different states though, figure out where we best fit in. But only western WI would be close enough to family where we would see any of them more than 2x year. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:27:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See my edit... Most of the regular folks out my way are conservative, and I live in a solid RED county, but MN nice gets into politics and everything gets all touchy-feely. Then the die-hard leftists in St Paul go and ruin the ride for everybody. |
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Posted: 12/15/2018 10:26:48 AM EDT
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As for WI property taxes, I have no bitch with my property taxes. They haven't changed much at all since since I moved here, to this house, in 1991. In fact, I think this past year they were a little lower than 1990s taxes usually were. I have a 2400 sq ft, 9 room, 4 bedroom, 2 bath home, built in 1980. 2 car attached garage, 36' x 36' pole barn built in 1993, all on 2 acres. Taxes are currently about $1250. Taxes were ~$1350 when we bought this house in 1991, and we paid roughly half of what it's appraised at today to buy it.
Can't wait to see what "Tax 'em more Tony" will do to those figures. 
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Posted: 12/15/2018 6:40:18 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, we need a good team of pediatric therapists for one of my sons, as he needs speech and occupational therapy. How are services like that out there? |
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Posted: 12/16/2018 1:54:49 PM EDT
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IIRC, if you choose to, there are some county run programs that will work with your children in a local school with speech and occupational therapy needs. I imagine they are supported by the state in some way or form. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unfortunately, we need a good team of pediatric therapists for one of my sons, as he needs speech and occupational therapy. How are services like that out there? A friend of mines wife is one that cares for an 18yr old 2 days a week. Big hearts around here. |
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Posted: 12/16/2018 9:02:23 PM EDT
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Property (houses/commercial) in small towns is still pretty cheap, although closer to border costs more. You will not get the amenities of a big city. Land is available, fairly inexpensive unless it is lake shore. It's all relative compared to where you're from, and resource level. If my memory holds , Rice Lake has a UPS hub, not just a store.
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Posted: 12/17/2018 12:32:51 AM EDT
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Property (houses/commercial) in small towns is still pretty cheap, although closer to border costs more. You will not get the amenities of a big city. Land is available, fairly inexpensive unless it is lake shore. It's all relative compared to where you're from, and resource level. If my memory holds , Rice Lake has a UPS hub, not just a store. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 2:07:37 AM EDT
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I just need to be close enough to my UPS hub to either pickup or drop-off every day for work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Property (houses/commercial) in small towns is still pretty cheap, although closer to border costs more. You will not get the amenities of a big city. Land is available, fairly inexpensive unless it is lake shore. It's all relative compared to where you're from, and resource level. If my memory holds , Rice Lake has a UPS hub, not just a store. Most of us in the tri-state use Speedy. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 11:54:50 AM EDT
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Why not just have pick-ups? Most of us in the tri-state use Speedy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Property (houses/commercial) in small towns is still pretty cheap, although closer to border costs more. You will not get the amenities of a big city. Land is available, fairly inexpensive unless it is lake shore. It's all relative compared to where you're from, and resource level. If my memory holds , Rice Lake has a UPS hub, not just a store. Most of us in the tri-state use Speedy. I actually ship worldwide, so I don't ever bother with local delivery services like Speedy. I don't even mess with FedEx due to having 2 trucks (1 ground, 1 air) daily. |
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Posted: 12/17/2018 3:48:41 PM EDT
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Looks like there is a pediatric therapy place in Menomonie that has great reviews, close enough to a UPS hub in Eau Claire, may be a good starting place to scout out. The wife and I would rather NOT leave MN, but I think its inevitable. We do plan on traveling to different states though, figure out where we best fit in. But only western WI would be close enough to family where we would see any of them more than 2x year. I would absolutely rather live here than MN, especially that area near the cities. My dad grew up in Dassel, MN, uncle lives in Mound. |
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Posted: 2/24/2019 10:58:19 AM EDT
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So how are things in wi? Neither the wife not I are excited about moving too far, is our next door neighbor viable? We also want to set roots, not have to leave again, so we are iffy on a purple state.
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Posted: 2/24/2019 11:16:48 AM EDT
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I guess it all depends upon what your priority is.
We are over on the east side of the state. Our prop. taxes are high and cost of land is high. Too close to major metro area at even an hour or more away. Prop taxes 8K last year. 2800 sq ft new home and 26 acres land. our last place was about same sq ft but older late '70's split level on 10 acres for 6K/yr. We sold that place for low $200K. We could of went anywhere when we built. We like the southern 1/2 of WI, much nicer woods/natural area. We live in rural farm country, people are very nice and friendly, crime is relatively unheard of locally. No need to lock anything, it won't prevent anything anyways. Shooting is "normal". Live close to the Great lakes and I like fly fishing the tribs, hard to find comparable fishing anywhere else in the country is one of the main reasons we stayed. |
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Posted: 2/24/2019 11:21:37 AM EDT
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I want my freedom, and don't want to be taxed to death for being an evil small business owner.
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Posted: 2/24/2019 4:06:45 PM EDT
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With Tony the Rat in there now, I'm not sure how long WI will be "business friendly".
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Posted: 2/24/2019 4:11:07 PM EDT
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How does a Dem governor make the rules? Thought your Congress was Republican?
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Posted: 2/24/2019 5:15:17 PM EDT
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How does a Dem governor make the rules? Thought your Congress was Republican? |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 10:09:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We had a conservative governor, conservative senate, and conservative assembly. We still could not pass permitless carry or school grounds carry. |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 11:48:12 AM EDT
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Looks like everybody's covered it pretty good, but don't forget you can use three poles for fishing here
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Posted: 2/25/2019 12:39:53 PM EDT
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Well, I guess I'm just worried that WI will go the way of MN in a few years.
Un-warranted fear? Yeah, maybe? Don't settle in too hard? WI would be a much easier move for us, even get to keep our sons' specialist, albeit with a healthy road trip. |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 12:43:34 PM EDT
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With our new democratic governor, it's hard to say what it will look like in a couple years.
If there was a way to Annex Milwaukee and Madison to Illinois, we'd be in great shape |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 12:58:06 PM EDT
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With our new democratic governor, it's hard to say what it will look like in a couple years. If there was a way to Annex Milwaukee and Madison to Illinois, we'd be in great shape Can't they use this word "no"?? Or does your governor have that much power? |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 10:24:11 AM EDT
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That is what I don't understand? Are you repubs spineless yes-men to your dem governor? Can't they use this word "no"?? Or does your governor have that much power? Yes. No. There is that "chicken little" feeling though, amongst some. The sky will not fall. Anti-gun bills should be DOA. The Repubs have a rock solid grip on the Assembly, and a pretty firm grip on the Senate. Where the problem lies, is now any pro-gun bills will likely need a veto override. We saw that with Doyle, but I don't think 'taxin' Tony' has the political clout Doyle had. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 1:45:15 PM EDT
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No. Yes. No. There is that "chicken little" feeling though, amongst some. The sky will not fall. Anti-gun bills should be DOA. The Repubs have a rock solid grip on the Assembly, and a pretty firm grip on the Senate. Where the problem lies, is now any pro-gun bills will likely need a veto override. We saw that with Doyle, but I don't think 'taxin' Tony' has the political clout Doyle had. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is what I don't understand? Are you repubs spineless yes-men to your dem governor? Can't they use this word "no"?? Or does your governor have that much power? Yes. No. There is that "chicken little" feeling though, amongst some. The sky will not fall. Anti-gun bills should be DOA. The Repubs have a rock solid grip on the Assembly, and a pretty firm grip on the Senate. Where the problem lies, is now any pro-gun bills will likely need a veto override. We saw that with Doyle, but I don't think 'taxin' Tony' has the political clout Doyle had. |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 8:39:01 PM EDT
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Peggy Lautenschlager's son for an AG (she was the disgraced AG under Doyle "the red")
We got a major left wing commie Governor and Lt Gov. Already crying about "assault rifles" and "red flag laws" and increases in taxes to cover all the great progressive social programs for the hood rats and lefties bound to be pouring in. Look at Illinois and Mn and you'll see what the left aspires for WI The southwest part of the state is inundated with illegals from Mexico and getting worse. Sure we have a majority in the legislature but we have cities who can out vote us on a lot of stuff The weather is pretty much the same After the ice goes out in July though it should be pretty nice in Eagle River.... 
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Posted: 2/26/2019 8:46:37 PM EDT
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Okay, am going to try out my memory. Moved to Wi close to 26 years ago from Pa. At the time Pa real estate tax was moderate, but they had a separately billed school tax. In Wi, am believing the property tax is high, but the school tax is included with in one bill. Border areas are increasing in expense as more people move over from Minnesota.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 2:37:50 AM EDT
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Considering the republican leaders have signaled that they are willing to discuss red flag laws and tolls, does not bode well.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:08:16 AM EDT
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Considering the republican leaders have signaled that they are willing to discuss red flag laws and tolls, does not bode well. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:10:02 AM EDT
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Okay, am going to try out my memory. Moved to Wi close to 26 years ago from Pa. At the time Pa real estate tax was moderate, but they had a separately billed school tax. In Wi, am believing the property tax is high, but the school tax is included with in one bill. Border areas are increasing in expense as more people move over from Minnesota. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:11:20 AM EDT
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So, forgive me, but what is all this talk about taxes skyrocketing under Tony? Shouldn't you have basically a gridlocked gov't now? 
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:18:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After the ice goes out in July though it should be pretty nice in Eagle River....  Special section of the parade this year, for plow trucks. I already entered my Rubicon.
Seriously... another 3" fell overnight, which puts the total at 61" .... for just February!! 
At 103" now for the season. And since Christmas, there's only been 2 or 3 days that temps reached as high as the 30s. Hasn't been 40 degrees here since November, IIRC. No "thawing" whatsoever. |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:59:53 AM EDT
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Going to be an interesting spring if there are not some periods for a little gradual thaw. Might have to keep the boat handy!
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