With a NYC premises pistol permit, am I allowed to go to Nassau County to a certified range to target shoot. I know it has to be transported unloaded, in a locked container and ammo needs to be separate. I just can't find any real info about what's legal and what's not. Thanks

IIRC A premise permit means it can't leave the premise....which is why I always thought it was stupid, since if true, you cannot ever practice with it, and why the "Premise Permit" was almost never issued...but I could be wrong.

Of course it's NYC so who knows (well, there are guys here who would for sure)

The premise permit is pretty much the majority of permits that NYC issues. I know we can go to a range in NYC (five boroughs), just not sure if we can leave the city limits to target shoot. I have a hunter authorization card, which enables me to leave the city limits to hunt,  just no mention of target shooting outside the city limits.

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If he doesn't know, nobody does!

Yeah this whole thing is bullshit unfortunately.

The NYPD used to issue target/hunting pistol permits, but they stopped once they figured out they were actually issuing FULL CARRY permits...and they couldn't actually arrest anyone for carrying with one. I recall hearing about a wheelchair bound little old lady that shot some perp trying to rob her, and the NYPD couldn't arrest her since she had a target/hunting carry permit. So that ended that. Can't have little old ladies defending themselves.

So what they now do, is they only issue PREMISE permits...and ILLEGALLY "allow" you to go to and from ranges in NYC.

You can NOT go to ranges outside NYC, because the NYPD has no jurisdiction, and can't "protect" you from getting arrested for travelling with a pistol on a premise-only permit.

The "hunting authorization" is also bullshit...and is technically illegal. I doubt an upstate cop would arrest you for hunting with a premise permit, but it's still illegal.

So really you can't technically leave your residence at all with your pistol...but the NYPD "allows" you to go to ranges in NYC.

Nice huh? The NYPD forces you to break the law just so they don't have to give you a real carry permit.

Long story short - No, you can't target shoot outside NYC.

Now I'm even more confused than before. If the NYPD is the one issuing you the pistol permit and they say it's legal to go to and from a range in NYC, how is that illegal?

PREMISES LICENSE: ISSUED FOR YOUR RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS, THIS IS
A RESTRICTED TYPE OF LICENSE. The Licensee may possess a handgun at the
specific location indicated on the front of the license. This license permits the
transporting of an unloaded handgun directly to and from an authorized small arms
range/shooting club, secured unloaded in a locked container. Ammunition must be
carried separately.

This is from the NYPD Pisitol permit application. It actually doesn't say to and from a range in NYC, it just says to and from an authorized small arms range/shooting club. I am by no means arguing with what you said, just having a hard time comprehending it. HELP!!! lol!

No you aren't confused. Ha.

The NYPD makes up their own types of licenses (going against NYS law) even though they ultimately have to abide by NYS Penal Law Section 400 which says there are ONLY 2 kinds of permits...

Premise, which is only valid for 1 address. No hunting target shooting etc. Just possession at that address. Pointless? Yes. I think it used to be for business owners who wanted a gun under the cash register or something.

And then there is the full carry permit. Which is...well...valid for concealed carry.

There is no such thing as a target/hunting permit in PL 400. And even if a judge stamps a permit with that, it's still full carry.

A concealed carry license is technically the only license valid for target shooting, hunting, hiking, going to the grocery store with a gun etc.

The NYPD does NOT want to issue carry licenses because they are anti gun. Obviously. But they know they can't forbid target shooting and hunting because that'd piss off too many.

So what do they issue? Premise permits...and they ILLEGALLY allow NYC premise permit holders to remove the gun from their address for the purposes of target shooting in NYC and hunting...

Why do they illegally allow you to break the law by leaving your address? Because they know that if they only want to issue premise permits, they'd need to forbid target shooting and hunting (if they followed the letter of the law)...which would have all gun owners in NYC up in arms that they can't practice safely shooting or hunting.

It gives the NYPD the best of both worlds...they don't have to issue full carry and have us be armed (gasp)...but they prevent a full on revolt or court challenge of their practice because the still "allow" target shooting and hunting.

So they let you break the law by going to NYC ranges...but they will flat out tell you you can't go to a range outside NYC...since a premise permit is not valid outside of your address. And a non NYPD cop could arrest you. Same goes for a hunting card. There is nothing in NY law that talks of a hunting authorization card. It's made up.

Making any sense? Ha.

Oh great, so I've been seeing a lot of State Troopers in the NYC area lately. If I get pulled over by a trooper on my way to a range in NYC, I could get arrested for only have a premises permit?

Well technically...yes...but that would never happen...Troopers don't really do anything in NYC let alone make traffic stops.

If premise holders started getting arrested for going target shooting in NYC with the blessing of the NYPD, it would force the NYPD to start issuing target/hunting/carry permits again.

Actually, getting arrested for going to a nyc range with a premise permit would be a great start to a challenge against how NYC runs pistol permits against NYS law.

And even if they did arrest you, the NYPD would most likely get you out of it since they don't want their bullshit scheme to blow up.

You are good going to NYC ranges, even if it is technically illegal.

And yeah what's the deal with the troopers in NYC lately? Especially in grand central?

Fyi I now commute in from Westchester where I have a full carry permit. Fuck nyc.

I drive into the city everyday from Queens and I see more and more troopers everywhere. There is a State Trooper station right before you head into the midtown tunnel. I have a house in Tioga County, so the next thing on my list is to apply for my pistol permit there and I'll be able to carry in NYS and also have my pistol in NYC. I just need to get off my ass and get up there to put my application in.

I know this goes without saying, but I feel it necessary to say anyway—what a fucked up “system!”  And fuck New York and all its dirty politicians.

I know there seems to be an unwritten system there in NYC, but all it takes is one rookie cop who wasn’t told of the secret system to really screw up your day.  Or maybe one day there is a change of heart in the leadership and boom, you can be hauled in for following their illegal scheme.

State Troopers most are definitely pulling people over in NYC.  It's a power play by Cuomo against DiBlasio.

https://nypost.com/2017/05/14/troopers-are-handing-out-traffic-tickets-at-astronomical-rate/

Damn...I hate Cuomo but I also hate DiBlasio...Ha. Let the democrats and socialists tear themselves apart for all I care.

I really wonder what a trooper would do if they pulled someone over in NYC that was transporting a handgun with a premise permit? Arrest them?

Honestly it would be a good thing...NYC may ultimately be forced to issue carry permits again...even if they are "restricted" to target shooting and hunting, we all know it's still a carry permit.

All this said...  I've known a few residents of the five boroughs who shoot at LI ranges.

Yup...even the Coyne Park range in Yonkers has it on their website that they accept any NYC pistol permit. Or at least they used to. Still not technically legal.

I spoke to the range officer at Mitchell field and he has no problems with me shooting there. He said it's my problem if I get caught on my way there.