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Posted: 1/23/2014 2:48:30 PM EDT
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Has anyone applied for an FFL03 to be held by an LLC?
ATF Confirms that an LLC can hold an FFL03 as long FL03 can be justified for a legitimate business use. I make holsters and am a firearms instructor. I think I could justify needing an FFL03 for those 2 activities; then use the LLC to register an SBR...
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2014 12:05:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shyyyster]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bobapunk:
Has anyone applied for an FFL03 to be held by an LLC? ATF Confirms that an LLC can hold an FFL03 as long FL03 can be justified for a legitimate business use. Citation needed on a side note... just got back from the dupage sheriffs office and they confirmed im the first person to attempt this. (no pressure) they said they need to make sure everyones ducks are in a row. i included a letter with the UUW SBR exception this time along with my forms. hopefully i will hear from them soon 
i called the NFA branch and they asked me for the branch number at the bottom of my error letter and they transferred me to a girl named Ashley. she was extremely helpful and told me an extension from my 30 days would not be a problem. i just have to call them and keep them up to date. blahhhhh |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 3:43:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shyyyster: Citation needed on a side note... just got back from the dupage sheriffs office and they confirmed im the first person to attempt this. (no pressure) they said they need to make sure everyones ducks are in a row. i included a letter with the UUW SBR exception this time along with my forms. hopefully i will hear from them soon i called the NFA branch and they asked me for the branch number at the bottom of my error letter and they transferred me to a girl named Ashley. she was extremely helpful and told me an extension from my 30 days would not be a problem. i just have to call them and keep them up to date. blahhhhh Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shyyyster: Originally Posted By bobapunk: Has anyone applied for an FFL03 to be held by an LLC? ATF Confirms that an LLC can hold an FFL03 as long FL03 can be justified for a legitimate business use. Citation needed on a side note... just got back from the dupage sheriffs office and they confirmed im the first person to attempt this. (no pressure) they said they need to make sure everyones ducks are in a row. i included a letter with the UUW SBR exception this time along with my forms. hopefully i will hear from them soon i called the NFA branch and they asked me for the branch number at the bottom of my error letter and they transferred me to a girl named Ashley. she was extremely helpful and told me an extension from my 30 days would not be a problem. i just have to call them and keep them up to date. blahhhhh Call the ATF Licencing at 304-616-4600 and ask them in an LLC can be the licencee with an FFL03. Then, Can the ATF NFA office at 304-616-4500 and ask them in an SBR can be made by an LLC. I was give "yes" answers to both. Now, the question is, is it "worth it" to setup and LLC $500+ and $250/year if the sole purpose is to make SBRs without needing prints and CLEO sign off...
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:04:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bobapunk:
Call the ATF Licencing at 304-616-4600 and ask them in an LLC can be the licencee with an FFL03. Then, Can the ATF NFA office at 304-616-4500 and ask them in an SBR can be made by an LLC. I was give "yes" answers to both. Now, the question is, is it "worth it" to setup and LLC $500+ and $250/year if the sole purpose is to make SBRs without needing prints and CLEO sign off... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bobapunk:
Originally Posted By Shyyyster:
Originally Posted By bobapunk:
Has anyone applied for an FFL03 to be held by an LLC? ATF Confirms that an LLC can hold an FFL03 as long FL03 can be justified for a legitimate business use. Citation needed on a side note... just got back from the dupage sheriffs office and they confirmed im the first person to attempt this. (no pressure) they said they need to make sure everyones ducks are in a row. i included a letter with the UUW SBR exception this time along with my forms. hopefully i will hear from them soon
i called the NFA branch and they asked me for the branch number at the bottom of my error letter and they transferred me to a girl named Ashley. she was extremely helpful and told me an extension from my 30 days would not be a problem. i just have to call them and keep them up to date. blahhhhh Call the ATF Licencing at 304-616-4600 and ask them in an LLC can be the licencee with an FFL03. Then, Can the ATF NFA office at 304-616-4500 and ask them in an SBR can be made by an LLC. I was give "yes" answers to both. Now, the question is, is it "worth it" to setup and LLC $500+ and $250/year if the sole purpose is to make SBRs without needing prints and CLEO sign off... If we could do cans here, I'd almost say it'd be worth it. |
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Posted: 1/29/2014 3:14:32 PM EDT
[#5]
exactly a week after I sent them my new individual application, my SBR is approved and stamp will be in the mail shortly!   Chief of Police in my town also told me I was the first one to request the signature, but had no problems to sign it after he called NFA and read the IL statute |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2014 12:25:18 AM EDT
[#6]
So the way I read all this is....no trust for SBR? correct
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Posted: 1/30/2014 7:16:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KINGAIRFLYER:
So the way I read all this is....no trust for SBR? correct Correct 
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Posted: 2/3/2014 8:20:05 PM EDT
[#8]
Anybody have luck with SBR in Kendall Co?
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Posted: 2/9/2014 2:19:35 PM EDT
[#9]
Any weapon that you sbr still has to be minimum of 26" in length? This is what the ATF sent me back on my application, how can you sbr a Kris's or ps90 they both come in under 26". I thought that was only for the re-enact or portion.
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Posted: 2/14/2014 10:17:03 AM EDT
[#10]
The way that NFA branch is reading the exception right now is that that 26" OAL applies to both C&R holders AND reenactors. Until someone gets an official clarification from the AG or ISP, the NFA branch will not approve SBR's under 26" OAL. To SBR a Kriss or P90 you would need to use a barrel that gets the OAL to 26". It will cost more money, but you could have a full length barrel down to get under 16" but keep the OAL at 26" and if the law is clarified, you can get it cut to the desired length later. I don't know if you can keep PS90's or Kriss's at 26" OAL with a <16" barrel, but it's an option.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2014 11:37:41 AM EDT
[#11]
DuPage county just refused me because they are under no "legal obligation to sign it."
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Posted: 2/14/2014 5:50:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shyyyster:
DuPage county just refused me because they are under no "legal obligation to sign it." Douche bags
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/15/2014 1:51:59 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Douche bags Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Shyyyster:
DuPage county just refused me because they are under no "legal obligation to sign it." Douche bags maybe the NRA will file a 1983 for me :) |
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Posted: 2/15/2014 3:12:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shyyyster:
maybe the NRA will file a 1983 for me :) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shyyyster:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Shyyyster:
DuPage county just refused me because they are under no "legal obligation to sign it." Douche bags maybe the NRA will file a 1983 for me :) Hit 'em up. It may get them to put more pressure on our lawmakers that want to deny us our rights |
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Posted: 2/16/2014 10:51:54 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ryknoll3:
The way that NFA branch is reading the exception right now is that that 26" OAL applies to both C&R holders AND reenactors. Until someone gets an official clarification from the AG or ISP, the NFA branch will not approve SBR's under 26" OAL. To SBR a Kriss or P90 you would need to use a barrel that gets the OAL to 26". It will cost more money, but you could have a full length barrel down to get under 16" but keep the OAL at 26" and if the law is clarified, you can get it cut to the desired length later. I don't know if you can keep PS90's or Kriss's at 26" OAL with a <16" barrel, but it's an option. Bummer, that is going to put a crimp in my plans for an MP5K and B&T TP9... 
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Posted: 2/17/2014 1:24:33 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shyyyster:
DuPage county just refused me because they are under no "legal obligation to sign it." There are others you might try. As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include State attorneys general and judges of State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases. This whole sign-off thing is bullcrap. Giving local officials veto power over federal tax forms. Your only other option is to form a corporation. They can hold C&R's. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/17/2014 11:09:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shyyyster]
[#17]
how much would that cost? im thinking of cutting my losses and getting the sig pistol stock thing.
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Posted: 2/17/2014 11:16:39 PM EDT
[#18]
Meeting with my CLEO tomorrow
Still waiting on my rejection letter, but I'm going to be pro-active, and give them a call after my CLEO signs off, and send in my individual app, so I hopefully won't lose my place in line
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Posted: 2/18/2014 11:20:46 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shyyyster:
how much would that cost? im thinking of cutting my losses and getting the sig pistol stock thing. $150 up front and $100/yr. Gets expensive quick. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 7:21:18 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ryknoll3:
$150 up front and $100/yr. Gets expensive quick. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ryknoll3:
Originally Posted By Shyyyster:
how much would that cost? im thinking of cutting my losses and getting the sig pistol stock thing. $150 up front and $100/yr. Gets expensive quick. yeah that sig "arm brace" will be cheaper. just got denied by the dupage states attorney. just dropped my forms off at my local PD for the chief to look over. |
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Posted: 2/22/2014 10:11:25 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Douche bags Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Shyyyster: DuPage county just refused me because they are under no "legal obligation to sign it." Douche bags |
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Posted: 3/2/2014 7:17:11 PM EDT
[#22]
Im over in dekalb county, but im gonna try my local pd first. If the cleo refuses im just going to tell him thats fine, ill do a trust and get it anyways. I wont try to get multiple signatures.
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Posted: 3/2/2014 7:19:25 PM EDT
[#23]
Trusts are no longer being accepted from Illinois applicants.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2014 7:46:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zummie]
[#24]
Zummie made a poofa. See next post please.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2014 7:53:54 PM EDT
[#25]
What constitutes a SBR. I have a chance to purchase an AR15 with a 9 inch BBL without a stock, just the buffer tube.
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Posted: 3/2/2014 8:51:33 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By duanet85:
Im over in dekalb county, but im gonna try my local pd first. If the cleo refuses im just going to tell him thats fine, ill do a trust and get it anyways. I wont try to get multiple signatures. Trust is a no-go in this state
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Posted: 3/2/2014 8:53:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zummie:
What constitutes a SBR. I have a chance to purchase an AR15 with a 9 inch BBL without a stock, just the buffer tube. As long as the lower has never been in a rifle configuration you can build it as a pistola |
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Posted: 3/3/2014 1:44:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Wasnt aware. Googled. Now aware. Hopefully cleo is a nice guy otherwise trip to dekalb co. What I dont get is why they are so hesitant to sign off. Its literally the same as a 'legal' ar15 but with a short barrel.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotfish:
Trusts are no longer being accepted from Illinois applicants. |
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Posted: 3/3/2014 1:46:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Is the buffertube a pistol style or can it accept a stock. Sounds like an AR pistol.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zummie:
What constitutes a SBR. I have a chance to purchase an AR15 with a 9 inch BBL without a stock, just the buffer tube. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2014 12:15:58 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By duanet85:
Im over in dekalb county, but im gonna try my local pd first. If the cleo refuses im just going to tell him thats fine, ill do a trust and get it anyways. I wont try to get multiple signatures. Where are you Duane. IM meeting with DeKalb PD Chief today. trust will do no good in Illinois. |
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Posted: 3/4/2014 12:18:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hsiddall]
[#31]
Duane, I spoke with Chief Deputy Dumdie at county yesterday. He put it in plain terms that if your local cleo wont sign the sheriff wont sign. Hopefully you have a decent police chief. Sherriff doesn't want to start a pissing match with local jurisdictions. Which is totally understandable. averyone ive spoken with has been very polite and professional.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:03:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Well spoke with police chief today, he likes the idea as a collector but its not looking promising...Has anybody heard of any liabilities for the cleo signing off on forms?
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Posted: 3/4/2014 4:06:05 PM EDT
[#33]
Will County's didn't seem hesitant when I asked. Then again, the elections are coming up and he's retiring as of the new sheriff being elected, so maybe he wasn't as concerned about it.
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Posted: 3/7/2014 5:06:04 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotfish: Will County's didn't seem hesitant when I asked. Then again, the elections are coming up and he's retiring as of the new sheriff being elected, so maybe he wasn't as concerned about it. |
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Posted: 3/7/2014 5:07:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bssrf4:
Who did you ask in Will Co? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bssrf4:
Originally Posted By gotfish:
Will County's didn't seem hesitant when I asked. Then again, the elections are coming up and he's retiring as of the new sheriff being elected, so maybe he wasn't as concerned about it. Sheriff Kaupas. |
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Posted: 3/7/2014 10:36:13 PM EDT
[#36]
Quick question for Lake county folks. I am in Lakemoor and they have their own police department. I have a 5 digit address, that leads me to believe that I am actually living in an unincorporated town. Would a CLEO sign off from Lakemoor be enough or would I need a sign off from the Lake county CLEO be needed?
Has anyone gotten a sign off from the Lake county CLEO or know his position on the matter? |
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Posted: 3/7/2014 10:52:32 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QuirkyP71:
Quick question for Lake county folks. I am in Lakemoor and they have their own police department. I have a 5 digit address, that leads me to believe that I am actually living in an unincorporated town. Would a CLEO sign off from Lakemoor be enough or would I need a sign off from the Lake county CLEO be needed? Has anyone gotten a sign off from the Lake county CLEO or know his position on the matter? Best you can do is call your CLEO and ask. Mine was willing to, but the street I live on is the town limit and she has no jusrisdicton here and I have to go through the Sheriff (whom I can't get to email me back )
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Posted: 3/7/2014 11:31:45 PM EDT
[#38]
Thanks SecretSquirrel, I guess my question is who is my actual CLEO with respect to the form 1 if I am living in an unincorporated town, the county sheriff or the local cops.
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Posted: 3/7/2014 11:49:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gotfish]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QuirkyP71:
Would a CLEO sign off from Lakemoor be enough or would I need a sign off from the Lake county CLEO be needed? I'm not 100% on this, but I believe the rule of thumb is: If you call the police for an emergency at your residence, who shows up? Local or County? In my case, I live in an unincorporated area next to a much larger town, and yet the county is still the police force for us, hence my visit to the county sheriff. |
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Posted: 3/8/2014 7:16:39 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QuirkyP71:
Thanks SecretSquirrel, I guess my question is who is my actual CLEO with respect to the form 1 if I am living in an unincorporated town, the county sheriff or the local cops. I'm gonna venture a guess and say it's county since you're unincorporated. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2014 11:25:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shyyyster]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QuirkyP71:
Quick question for Lake county folks. I am in Lakemoor and they have their own police department. I have a 5 digit address, that leads me to believe that I am actually living in an unincorporated town. Would a CLEO sign off from Lakemoor be enough or would I need a sign off from the Lake county CLEO be needed? Has anyone gotten a sign off from the Lake county CLEO or know his position on the matter? just got off the phone with my local dept. i live in unincorporated so hes refusing to sign off. he said i need to talk to the county. the sheriff, SA, and chief have denied me now. so im only left with the hiram grau to sign off before i try judges. |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 4:47:22 PM EDT
[#42]
Sent all my paperwork for the SBR today! Lets see if I can get it by the new year!
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Posted: 3/31/2014 12:50:11 PM EDT
[#43]
Has anyone tried to get CLEO sign off in Woodford County?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2014 2:16:30 PM EDT
[#44]
Has anybody been able to get a sign-off in McHenry county? The sheriffs department keeps telling me that they are not the ones who sign the form, and that I need to talk to ISP to get it signed.
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Posted: 4/1/2014 7:29:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PharetH:
Has anybody been able to get a sign-off in McHenry county? The sheriffs department keeps telling me that they are not the ones who sign the form, and that I need to talk to ISP to get it signed. My understanding was if you couldnt get your CLEO to sign it then county sheriff was you next step. Whos after that i dont know. |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 5:12:05 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sanunan:
Has anyone tried to get CLEO sign off in Woodford County? Matt Smith is going to be our new Sheriff in Nov. He said he had no problem with signing off. He is applying for some for the county. I don't know about Jim Pierceall right now. He might since he's retiring... |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 1:13:34 AM EDT
[#47]
this is so fucking stupid. i just got a letter back from the state police that told me the correct chief law enforcement officer would be my local chief. he already told me he wouldnt because im not in his jurisdiction. now thats local, state, states attorney, and sheriff who wont do it.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:49:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PharetH]
[#48]
Originally Posted By Shyyyster:
this is so fucking stupid. i just got a letter back from the state police that told me the correct chief law enforcement officer would be my local chief. he already told me he wouldnt because im not in his jurisdiction. now thats local, state, states attorney, and sheriff who wont do it. I'm pretty much in the same boat. McHenry county sheriffs office is telling me to contact ISP. I guess I need to try my citys police station. My address is outside city limits so I assumed I needed the sheriffs signoff, but if ISP is telling you to contact your local pd then I'm sure they will tell me to do the same thing. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:01:23 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shyyyster:
this is so fucking stupid. i just got a letter back from the state police that told me the correct chief law enforcement officer would be my local chief. he already told me he wouldnt because im not in his jurisdiction. now thats local, state, states attorney, and sheriff who wont do it. My town Chief said she can't sign as I live on the wrong side of the road to fall within her jurisdiction, but the Sheriff won't email or call me back.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 10:16:10 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
My town Chief said she can't sign as I live on the wrong side of the road to fall within her jurisdiction, but the Sheriff won't email or call me back. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Shyyyster:
this is so fucking stupid. i just got a letter back from the state police that told me the correct chief law enforcement officer would be my local chief. he already told me he wouldnt because im not in his jurisdiction. now thats local, state, states attorney, and sheriff who wont do it. My town Chief said she can't sign as I live on the wrong side of the road to fall within her jurisdiction, but the Sheriff won't email or call me back. write up a letter and drop it off at the jail, then wait for them to contact you. |
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