How to obtain a SBR in the land of corruption !!! (Page 19 of 22)
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Originally Posted By Proto3:
Just got back one of my Form 1's that I sent in last November with this note.... They want a specific ordnance from Palatine saying we are home rule... which I kind of understand except for the fact that I already have an SBR stamp! Emailed the police dept asking for it, so hopefully they get back to me. https://i.imgur.com/m721olu.jpg 
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Wan't the whole SBR thing written with preemption language so that there is no home rule bs? Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Just got back one of my Form 1's that I sent in last November with this note.... They want a specific ordnance from Palatine saying we are home rule... which I kind of understand except for the fact that I already have an SBR stamp! Emailed the police dept asking for it, so hopefully they get back to me. https://i.imgur.com/m721olu.jpg They only sent that letter back with one of my form 1's so I'm sure I'll get the same response back from my other form 1 any day now. |
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Originally Posted By Proto3:
No idea. But it's just dumb as hell that they are asking someone who already has an SBR stamp. They only sent that letter back with one of my form 1's so I'm sure I'll get the same response back from my other form 1 any day now. Originally Posted By Proto3:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Just got back one of my Form 1's that I sent in last November with this note.... They want a specific ordnance from Palatine saying we are home rule... which I kind of understand except for the fact that I already have an SBR stamp! Emailed the police dept asking for it, so hopefully they get back to me. https://i.imgur.com/m721olu.jpg They only sent that letter back with one of my form 1's so I'm sure I'll get the same response back from my other form 1 any day now. |
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I did not think an ordinance was required for populations above a certain size and they were automatically home rule?
https://www.palatine.il.us/555/Home-Rule-Authority Home Rule Authority In 1970, by virtue of a population above 25,000 people, the Village of Palatine achieved home rule status with the passage of the revised Constitution of Illinois. As a home rule community, Palatine has the authority to exercise any power or perform any function pertaining to its government and affairs including, but not limited to, the powers to regulate for the protection of the public health, safety, morals, and welfare, and to license, tax, and incur debt. Authority & Latitude Home rule communities have far greater authority and latitude to make their own decisions than non-home rule municipalities. Even though the state of Illinois has granted home rule units flexibility and authority to enact taxes, borrow money, regulate local activities, alter their government structure, and seek innovative solutions to local problems, the General Assembly has imposed several restrictions on the use of home rule powers. First and foremost, home rule units may not tax income, earnings, and/or occupations, or license for revenue unless authorized to do so by the General Assembly; define or punish for felonies; or incur debt payable from property taxes that matures more than 40 years from the date of issuance. Furthermore, the General Assembly may restrict or pre-empt home rule powers by three-fifths majority vote of the legislature. |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Wan't the whole SBR thing written with preemption language so that there is no home rule bs? http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/98/098-0063.htm (c) Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this Section, the regulation of the possession or ownership of assault weapons are exclusive powers and functions of this State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion of that ordinance or regulation, that purports to regulate the possession or ownership of assault weapons in a manner that is inconsistent with this Act, shall be invalid unless the ordinance or regulation is enacted on, before, or within 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly. Any ordinance or regulation described in this subsection (c) enacted more than 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly is invalid. An ordinance enacted on, before, or within 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly may be amended. The enactment or amendment of ordinances under this subsection (c) are subject to the submission requirements of Section 13.3. For the purposes of this subsection, "assault weapons" means firearms designated by either make or model or by a test or list of cosmetic features that cumulatively would place the firearm into a definition of "assault weapon" under the ordinance. |
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Originally Posted By InterestedBystander:
Don't recall that in SBR itself but I could be wrong. The CCL law has state preemption language for handguns and it gave local municipalities 10 days to pass AWB ordinances iirc. SBR VS AWB??? http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/98/098-0063.htm (c) Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this Section, the regulation of the possession or ownership of assault weapons are exclusive powers and functions of this State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion of that ordinance or regulation, that purports to regulate the possession or ownership of assault weapons in a manner that is inconsistent with this Act, shall be invalid unless the ordinance or regulation is enacted on, before, or within 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly. Any ordinance or regulation described in this subsection (c) enacted more than 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly is invalid. An ordinance enacted on, before, or within 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly may be amended. The enactment or amendment of ordinances under this subsection (c) are subject to the submission requirements of Section 13.3. For the purposes of this subsection, "assault weapons" means firearms designated by either make or model or by a test or list of cosmetic features that cumulatively would place the firearm into a definition of "assault weapon" under the ordinance. Originally Posted By InterestedBystander:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Wan't the whole SBR thing written with preemption language so that there is no home rule bs? http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/98/098-0063.htm (c) Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this Section, the regulation of the possession or ownership of assault weapons are exclusive powers and functions of this State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion of that ordinance or regulation, that purports to regulate the possession or ownership of assault weapons in a manner that is inconsistent with this Act, shall be invalid unless the ordinance or regulation is enacted on, before, or within 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly. Any ordinance or regulation described in this subsection (c) enacted more than 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly is invalid. An ordinance enacted on, before, or within 10 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 98th General Assembly may be amended. The enactment or amendment of ordinances under this subsection (c) are subject to the submission requirements of Section 13.3. For the purposes of this subsection, "assault weapons" means firearms designated by either make or model or by a test or list of cosmetic features that cumulatively would place the firearm into a definition of "assault weapon" under the ordinance. |
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Originally Posted By InterestedBystander:
I did not think an ordinance was required for populations above a certain size and they were automatically home rule? https://www.palatine.il.us/555/Home-Rule-Authority Home Rule Authority In 1970, by virtue of a population above 25,000 people, the Village of Palatine achieved home rule status with the passage of the revised Constitution of Illinois. As a home rule community, Palatine has the authority to exercise any power or perform any function pertaining to its government and affairs including, but not limited to, the powers to regulate for the protection of the public health, safety, morals, and welfare, and to license, tax, and incur debt. Authority & Latitude Home rule communities have far greater authority and latitude to make their own decisions than non-home rule municipalities. Even though the state of Illinois has granted home rule units flexibility and authority to enact taxes, borrow money, regulate local activities, alter their government structure, and seek innovative solutions to local problems, the General Assembly has imposed several restrictions on the use of home rule powers. First and foremost, home rule units may not tax income, earnings, and/or occupations, or license for revenue unless authorized to do so by the General Assembly; define or punish for felonies; or incur debt payable from property taxes that matures more than 40 years from the date of issuance. Furthermore, the General Assembly may restrict or pre-empt home rule powers by three-fifths majority vote of the legislature. The whole thing makes no sense since I already own a SBR. |
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Originally Posted By Proto3:
It sounds like the ATF wants a specific ordnance saying AR's are ok to own. We'll see what the police department says. The whole thing makes no sense since I already own a SBR. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Palatine muni codes are a bit harder to search as they arent hosted off site and searchable but as independent PDFs https://www.palatine.il.us/564/Code-of-Ordinances They do call out some conflicts around employment and sick leave... ARTICLE XXIX. CONFLICTS WITH CERTAIN HOME RULE COUNTY ORDINANCES |
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Originally Posted By exred:
Well I got the same letters as "Proto3" from ATF today for 2 of my SBR'S that I submitted on 9/7/16 so I went to police department here in Palatine IL and they have no idea of what ATF need from me. After more than a year of waiting to get this! Gotta love the self-licking ice cream cone that is our gov. 
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Has anyone tried calling the investigators and seeing exactly what they want yet? Like someone pointed out earlier, ordinances are usually for saying what you CAN'T do not what you CAN, so there probably isn't a code saying you can have/build one. Gotta love the self-licking ice cream cone that is our gov. Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By exred:
Well I got the same letters as "Proto3" from ATF today for 2 of my SBR'S that I submitted on 9/7/16 so I went to police department here in Palatine IL and they have no idea of what ATF need from me. After more than a year of waiting to get this! Gotta love the self-licking ice cream cone that is our gov. |
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Originally Posted By Proto3:
Just left a message with the person at the ATF who is handing my form 1 so we'll see what they say if/when they call me back. |
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Originally Posted By InterestedBystander:
Not to be negative, but is there risk of revoking your current stamp if they take the approach that County rules are in force unless Home Rule community passes a law superseding County. Ive seen local codes call out county conflicts, but this seems a bit backwards with County says no and the ATF wants a law saying you can which I dont think I've heard of, although I assume Hoffman Estates has something allowing sales in Cook Co for Cabelas. Originally Posted By InterestedBystander:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Just left a message with the person at the ATF who is handing my form 1 so we'll see what they say if/when they call me back. |
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| Tried to call the number to ATF for last 2 weeks left several messages no response, also worked with local PD they also tried to call them no response back. Local PD saying that they don't know what exactly ATF is asking, they told me Palatine is a home rule community, but they won't write me a letter to submit to ATF I have 6 days left before my application gets kicked, with no response from ATF and local PD can't help even tho person who tried to help me from PD was very cool guy and I knew that he was trying to help me but couldn't get response back from ATF. |
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Originally Posted By InterestedBystander:
Any updates on the ATF request? Originally Posted By InterestedBystander:
Originally Posted By Proto3:
Hopefully I can maybe get the Palatine Chief to write a letter saying they are legal or something. We’ll see what they have to say if they get back to me. Looks like I may be stuck building some pistols. |
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Someone from the local PD finally emailed me back but only with a document that says Palatine is home rule. I don’t think that’ll be enough for the ATF.
Edit: I emailed back asking if there are any ordances on the books that I could use showing we are exempt and they said there are none they are aware of. Looks like I’m officially stuck with pistols now. On the bright side, at least the $400 I’ll get refunded can go into those builds. |
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Just got my Form 1 approval for my Scar16!!!
Sent May 9th. Got there May 13th. Cashed May 16th. Just got it in today's mail with an approval date of Oct 13th.  
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Just got my Form 1 approval for my Scar16!!! Sent May 9th. Got there May 13th. Cashed May 16th. Just got it in today's mail with an approval date of Oct 13th. |
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Just got my Form 1 approval for my Scar16!!! Sent May 9th. Got there May 13th. Cashed May 16th. Just got it in today's mail with an approval date of Oct 13th. 
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Just got my Form 1 approval for my Scar16!!! Sent May 9th. Got there May 13th. Cashed May 16th. Just got it in today's mail with an approval date of Oct 13th. 
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Got mine today too with the same approval date. Now I need to finish buying the parts since I wasn't counting on it being that fast. Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Just got my Form 1 approval for my Scar16!!! Sent May 9th. Got there May 13th. Cashed May 16th. Just got it in today's mail with an approval date of Oct 13th. Haven't even had it engraved as I was counting on at least another 3 months
My last 3 took that long. Anyone know of engraver in state? ETA; Does ATF notify my CLEO or do I do that? How do I notify? Here are the results of a 5mo wait! Engraved Sat by a guy right down the street from me. |
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
No pics yet. Haven't even had it engraved as I was counting on at least another 3 months
My last 3 took that long. Anyone know of engraver in state? ETA; Does ATF notify my CLEO or do I do that? How do I notify? https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=8d417c3c0f&view=att&th=15f49dd9d5504df8&attid=0.1&disp=safe&realattid=1582062922294624256-local0&zw Here are the results of a 5mo wait! Engraved Sat by a guy right down the street from me. |
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Simple fact is this, unless your locality has a grandfathered AW ban, if your in IL, SBRs are legal. They are legal for corporations, they are legal for trusts. They are legal for individuals. How do I know, simple, I had an Illinois legal SBR before anyone else did, and I did it without any FFL of any kind, about 15 years ago. With the new statute from what, 2013, they just made it easier without an argument from ATF.
Before getting my own FFL/SOT, I helped people, corporations, and one trust, all get registered SBRs in Illinois, well over a dozen of them. If anyone with a FOID card wants a SBR, if they will do what they are told to do (and it does not require an SOT), I will sell them on ATF Form 4 an SBR, on my own AR lower, which does not require that engraving nonsense, as its already ATF approved marked. If they don't want to buy one from me, I'll still walk them through it, and if they have a fOID card, and don't live in the wrong city, it will be approved. |
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Originally Posted By Benbowcity:
Simple fact is this, unless your locality has a grandfathered AW ban, if your in IL, SBRs are legal. They are legal for corporations, they are legal for trusts. They are legal for individuals. How do I know, simple, I had an Illinois legal SBR before anyone else did, and I did it without any FFL of any kind, about 15 years ago. With the new statute from what, 2013, they just made it easier without an argument from ATF. Before getting my own FFL/SOT, I helped people, corporations, and one trust, all get registered SBRs in Illinois, well over a dozen of them. If anyone with a FOID card wants a SBR, if they will do what they are told to do (and it does not require an SOT), I will sell them on ATF Form 4 an SBR, on my own AR lower, which does not require that engraving nonsense, as its already ATF approved marked. If they don't want to buy one from me, I'll still walk them through it, and if they have a fOID card, and don't live in the wrong city, it will be approved. |
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I really want to build a 9 one of these days.
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Originally Posted By Benbowcity:
Simple fact is this, unless your locality has a grandfathered AW ban, if your in IL, SBRs are legal. They are legal for corporations, they are legal for trusts. They are legal for individuals. How do I know, simple, I had an Illinois legal SBR before anyone else did, and I did it without any FFL of any kind, about 15 years ago. With the new statute from what, 2013, they just made it easier without an argument from ATF. Before getting my own FFL/SOT, I helped people, corporations, and one trust, all get registered SBRs in Illinois, well over a dozen of them. If anyone with a FOID card wants a SBR, if they will do what they are told to do (and it does not require an SOT), I will sell them on ATF Form 4 an SBR, on my own AR lower, which does not require that engraving nonsense, as its already ATF approved marked. If they don't want to buy one from me, I'll still walk them through it, and if they have a fOID card, and don't live in the wrong city, it will be approved. Post count, check I'm gonna' go out on a limb here and disagree w/ you. SBR's were not legal for the average subject to own prior to the 2013 legislation. |
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Originally Posted By Benbowcity:
Simple fact is this, unless your locality has a grandfathered AW ban, if your in IL, SBRs are legal. They are legal for corporations, they are legal for trusts. They are legal for individuals. How do I know, simple, I had an Illinois legal SBR before anyone else did, and I did it without any FFL of any kind, about 15 years ago. With the new statute from what, 2013, they just made it easier without an argument from ATF. Before getting my own FFL/SOT, I helped people, corporations, and one trust, all get registered SBRs in Illinois, well over a dozen of them. If anyone with a FOID card wants a SBR, if they will do what they are told to do (and it does not require an SOT), I will sell them on ATF Form 4 an SBR, on my own AR lower, which does not require that engraving nonsense, as its already ATF approved marked. If they don't want to buy one from me, I'll still walk them through it, and if they have a fOID card, and don't live in the wrong city, it will be approved. 
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Originally Posted By shifty522:
http://i.imgur.com/uMEvKAZ.jpg Originally Posted By shifty522:
Originally Posted By Benbowcity:
Simple fact is this, unless your locality has a grandfathered AW ban, if your in IL, SBRs are legal. They are legal for corporations, they are legal for trusts. They are legal for individuals. How do I know, simple, I had an Illinois legal SBR before anyone else did, and I did it without any FFL of any kind, about 15 years ago. With the new statute from what, 2013, they just made it easier without an argument from ATF. Before getting my own FFL/SOT, I helped people, corporations, and one trust, all get registered SBRs in Illinois, well over a dozen of them. If anyone with a FOID card wants a SBR, if they will do what they are told to do (and it does not require an SOT), I will sell them on ATF Form 4 an SBR, on my own AR lower, which does not require that engraving nonsense, as its already ATF approved marked. If they don't want to buy one from me, I'll still walk them through it, and if they have a fOID card, and don't live in the wrong city, it will be approved. 
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Heres a question...i recieved my C&R yesterday as an individual, not factoring my better half, my question is if i fill out my Form 1 as a TRUST will it get kicked back because my C&R and Form 1 wont match? I realize i can do the form 1 as an individual, but id like for my wife who does shoot be able to train or use the rifle for a possible home defense scenario while im not around! Note: ive called the ATF and ive left messages for an NFA examiner, but havnt gotten a response. Thanks fellas |
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Unless something has (recently) changed, you can't get a SBR approved in Illinois on a trust.
To my knowledge, no one can shoot (or be in possession of) the rifle without you being present. |
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Finally finished my last two Cook County SBR builds. Got the stamps back in December, but with moving down to GA things had to wait. All three were originally registered in Cook County.
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Originally Posted By MeanGun:
So as a resident of Indiana, how can i bring my SBR's over to shoot at the club I belong to? Under "dates" you can literally put from 3/10/18 to 12/31/18. Then send in a new one next year. |
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Originally Posted By LILGUY:
Sooooo, to all of us who have gotten C+R licenses. What is there to prevent CLEOs from using this knowledge to come after us when a ban goes into effect. This would provide probable cause that high capacity assault weapons are owned by the licensee. And you are assuming a ban is going to happen...not a done deal yet. |