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Posted: 4/2/2024 9:40:57 PM EST
According to a report on WTVF, it looks like the 'extreme risk protection order' (red flag) bill and a bill to repeal permitless carry died in committee, today.
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Looks like an assault weapon ban bill also died.
A dozen gun-related bills were considered today by Tenn. lawmakers Bills to include rifles and shotguns in the state carry laws, and expand where Enhanced Carry Permit holders can carry, are still making their way through the system. |
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Quoted: Thank you for keeping tabs on this and letting us know! View Quote I haven't actually been keeping tabs on them. I just happened to notice reporters whining about gun control bills being left to die in committee in the state legislature, while pro-carry bills are apparently making some progress through the committees. Now they are whining about a bill to allow teachers to carry (if they have a carry permit, get an additional 40 hours of training, and written authorization from the local chief law enforcement officer) handguns in schools, making it's way through committee. All that free publicity that reporters recently gave to Voices For A Safer Tennessee, seems to have been wasted. We might end up getting quite a crop of anti-gun tears in Tennessee, this year. I'll see if I can find some bill numbers. ETA: SB 2923 / HB 2882 Education, Curriculum - As introduced, requires, beginning with the 2025-2026 school year, each local education agency and public charter school to provide students with age-appropriate and grade-appropriate instruction on firearm safety. https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB2882 Looks like this one has passed the House and is on the Senate calendar for tomorrow (4/4/2024). SB 1325 / HB 1202 Teachers, Principals and School Personnel - As introduced, authorizes a faculty or staff member of a school to carry a concealed handgun on school grounds subject to certain conditions, including obtaining an enhanced handgun carry permit and completing annual training. https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=SB1325 |
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Looks like the bill requiring gun safety education in schools passed, with only two votes against it in the Senate.
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There's a little-known portion of the laws as they are currently that allow TBR employees to carry
in school concealed with the enhanced permit. Just need to notify the county sheriff..... I would love to see state teachers able to conceal carry. |
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I was having trouble finding the bill that would allow carry of rifles and shotguns, but it seems our side has become a little more willing to use the tactics of the other side. Instead of introducing a bill to change TN from a state that allows carrying handguns, to a state that allows carrying "firearms", an amendment was added to a somewhat mundane bill requiring the TBI to do some basic accounting and submit a report on the revenue generated from background check fees related to gun sales. The amendment goes through various parts of state law, replacing "handgun" with "firearm", and clarifying differences in age with an apparent mindset that people 18 and over should be old enough to carry, while people under 18 should still be subject to the existing restrictions on carrying guns.
SB 2502 / HB 2082 https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=SB2502 Seems to still be working its way through the committee process in both the state House and Senate. |
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Some of the gun control activists/politicians have apparently been complaining about this recent activity on carry bills, and inactivity on gun control bills, by pointing out that they did what they had been asked and waited a year after the Covenant shooting before pushing for new gun control legislation ( reminds me of my ex-wife's ability to tell blatant whoppers in an attempt to rewrite history), so they should now be rewarded for their consideration by having their gun control bills at least being debated and considered in legislative committees, instead of being left to die in committee.
If they had voiced any objections to Naifeh's policy of killing handgun carry bills in committee, so that his fellow democrats would not have to go on record with a vote against the bills on the House floor, I might have a tiny amount of sympathy for them. |
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Waiting for this to be continued HB1005/SB1503 :
Summary As introduced, renames enhanced and concealed handgun carry permits as enhanced and concealed firearm carry permits and authorizes a permit holder to carry any firearms, rather than handguns, that the permit holder legally owns or possesses; expands the circumstances in which a permit holder may carry a firearm. - Amends TCA Title 8; Title 10; Title 33; Title 36; Title 38; Title 39; Title 40; Title 49; Title 50 and Title 70. |
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Quoted: Waiting for this to be continued HB1005/SB1503 : Summary As introduced, renames enhanced and concealed handgun carry permits as enhanced and concealed firearm carry permits and authorizes a permit holder to carry any firearms, rather than handguns, that the permit holder legally owns or possesses; expands the circumstances in which a permit holder may carry a firearm. - Amends TCA Title 8; Title 10; Title 33; Title 36; Title 38; Title 39; Title 40; Title 49; Title 50 and Title 70. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Waiting for this to be continued HB1005/SB1503 : Summary As introduced, renames enhanced and concealed handgun carry permits as enhanced and concealed firearm carry permits and authorizes a permit holder to carry any firearms, rather than handguns, that the permit holder legally owns or possesses; expands the circumstances in which a permit holder may carry a firearm. - Amends TCA Title 8; Title 10; Title 33; Title 36; Title 38; Title 39; Title 40; Title 49; Title 50 and Title 70. That one looks like it was paused indefinitely in the committee process after the Covenant shooting, with no action since last April. https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=SB1503 Since the end of January, SB 2502 / HB 2082 has passed the Senate judiciary committee and been sent to the Senate finance, ways, and means committee, while the House version got sent to a subcommittee by the House civil justice committee, which sent it back to the civil justice committee with a recommendation to pass the amended version (it's on the civil justice committee's calendar for April 10th). SB 2502 has been amended with SA0962 https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/113/Amend/SA0962.pdf AMEND Senate Bill No. 2502 House Bill No. 2082* SA0962 014746 - 1 - by deleting all language after the enacting clause and substituting: SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1307, is amended by deleting subsections (a), (e), and (g). SECTION 2. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1313(a), is amended by deleting "lawfully carries a handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1307(g)" and substituting "is not prohibited from possessing or carrying a firearm". SECTION 3. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1319, is amended by deleting subsection (b) and substituting: (b) Except as provided in this section, it is an offense for a juvenile to carry, with the intent to go armed, a firearm. SECTION 4. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1319(c)(1), is amended by deleting "Illegal possession of a handgun by a juvenile" and substituting "A violation of this section". SECTION 5. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1319(c)(3), is amended by deleting "handgun" and substituting "firearm". SECTION 6. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1319(d), is amended by deleting "handgun" wherever it appears and substituting "firearm". SECTION 7. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1351(b), is amended by deleting the subsection and substituting instead: (b) Except as provided in subsection (r), a resident of this state who is a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident, as defined by § 55-50-102, may apply to the department of safety for an enhanced handgun carry permit. If the applicant is at least eighteen (18) years of age and is not prohibited from possessing a firearm in this state pursuant to § 39-17-1307(b), 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), or any other state or federal law, and the applicant otherwise meets all of the requirements of this section, then the department shall issue a permit to the applicant. SECTION 8. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1351(x)(1), is amended by deleting "twenty-one (21) years of age" and substituting "eighteen (18) years of age". SECTION 9. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1364, is amended by deleting "§ 39-17-1307, or". SECTION 10. This act takes effect July 1, 2024, the public welfare requiring it |
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The bill to allow teachers to be armed passed in the state Senate 26 to 5. It still needs to pass in the House (seems to have already made it through all the committees), and democrats are apparently hoping they can get some sort of amendment added to the bill in the House.
The Covenant parents lobby group is whining to the news media about how much work they have put in on this and the result is the opposite of what they wanted. |
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Quoted: Good. They're evil morons and that's the best possible outcome for them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The Covenant parents lobby group is whining to the news media about how much work they have put in on this and the result is the opposite of what they wanted. Good. They're evil morons and that's the best possible outcome for them. A reporter asked them what they wanted, what they thought was necessary for their kids to feel safe going to school, and their reply was to call it a loaded question, then finally replied "no comment". Their proposals are just the standard anti-gun wish list, that they have tried to sell as things that could have prevented the Covenant shooting, but obviously (once you look at the details) would have had zero impact on the Covenant shooting. They can't get what they want, so they just try to block anything else - can't risk somebody else finding an actual solution. |
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Seeing a few claims, today.
1. The anti-gun protestors and Covenant activists were "silenced". If you look at the video, the Lt Governor was asking them to clarify the threat they had just made against him ("you're next" was apparently part of it) from the gallery, before he ordered the gallery to be cleared. In one report, the Covenant activists were complaining that they were kicked out, because they - as people who had first hand experience with gun violence - wanted their voices heard. In another report, it was stated that the Covenant activists had been given the option of remaining in the gallery, but they instead chose to leave with the protestors. (ETA: There's even a video clip showing that they were the last to leave the gallery, and they were holding up signs as they left.) 2. The state legislature is forcing teachers to carry guns against their will. This is blatantly false, as the bill only offers the option to teachers, then lists what the teacher has to do (carry permit, 40 hours of additional annual training, get permission from local officials) in order to carry a gun. 3. The majority of Tennesseans do not want this. They are offering nothing to back up this claim. The number of people they managed to get to show up for this protest was smaller than their typical groups protesting at the legislature, and it appears that the Covenant group could only get two of their people to show up. Seems to be nothing more than adult sized toddlers throwing a tantrum. (ETA: The Covenant activists even stated that they had trouble getting legislators to side with them because it is an election year.) |
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Quoted: Seeing a few claims, today. 1. The anti-gun protestors and Covenant activists were "silenced". If you look at the video, the Lt Governor was asking them to clarify the threat they had just made against him ("you're next" was apparently part of it) from the gallery, before he ordered the gallery to be cleared. In one report, the Covenant activists were complaining that they were kicked out, because they - as people who had first hand experience with gun violence - wanted their voices heard. In another report, it was stated that the Covenant activists had been given the option of remaining in the gallery, but they instead chose to leave with the protestors. (ETA: There's even a video clip showing that they were the last to leave the gallery, and they were holding up signs as they left.) 2. The state legislature is forcing teachers to carry guns against their will. This is blatantly false, as the bill only offers the option to teachers, then lists what the teacher has to do (carry permit, 40 hours of additional annual training, get permission from local officials) in order to carry a gun. 3. The majority of Tennesseans do not want this. They are offering nothing to back up this claim. The number of people they managed to get to show up for this protest was smaller than their typical groups protesting at the legislature, and it appears that the Covenant group could only get two of their people to show up. Seems to be nothing more than adult sized toddlers throwing a tantrum. (ETA: The Covenant activists even stated that they had trouble getting legislators to side with them because it is an election year.) View Quote Huh. The left lies. Next thing you know it'll be getting dark at night and the water will be wet. |
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On the topic of "what the heck has that got to do with it?", some people are trying to make a fuss over the issue of where the teachers can store their guns. By some thought process that I can't make heads or tails of, carrying a concealed handgun in a school somehow requires the ability to store the gun at the school.
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Quoted: On the topic of "what the heck has that got to do with it?", some people are trying to make a fuss over the issue of where the teachers can store their guns. By some thought process that I can't make heads or tails of, carrying a concealed handgun in a school somehow requires the ability to store the gun at the school. View Quote Quick, someone invent pants! (Seriously......they're always looking for an angle) |
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SB 2502/HB 2082 - the bill that was amended to make carry of long guns legal, and to lower the minimum age for carry from 21 to 18 - has been put on the calendar for the Senate Finance, Ways, and Means Committee for Monday 4/15/2024 and on the calendar for the House Criminal Justice Committee for Tuesday 4/16/2024.
On the teacher carry bill - SB 1325/HB 1202 - House democrats have started complaining to reporters that House republicans are going to wait and then push a vote on the bill with no notice, so that opponents will not have an opportunity to organize their opposition to the bill. Gee, who could ever imagine a legislative body doing something like that with a bill related to guns? ETA: Voices for a Safer Tennessee sent out a 'call to action' email, urging their members to contact their legislators and ask them to vote NO on SB 2502/HB 2082, describing the bill as "a truly frightening prospect". |
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SB 2502, the bill that was amended to allow carry of long guns and lower the minimum age for carry to 18, passed the Senate Finance, Ways, and Means Committee (vote was 8 to 3), and has been sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
The sponsor of HB 1202, the bill to allow teachers and staff to carry if they comply with various requirements, has stated that he expects some action on the bill on the House floor in the next few days. The lawsuit to release the Covenant shooter's manifesto is moving forward, this week. Covenant parents have filed an ethics complaint against a member of the legislature who wants the manifesto released, while those Covenant parents have been publicly complaining about how members of the legislature won't work with them. For the Covenant parents, it's their way, or the highway (chants of "vote them out"), and anyone who disagrees with them is an unethical meanie. ETA: Nashville's lawyer apparently responded to the argument that since there is no pending criminal case the documents should be released, by claiming that there is still an active criminal investigation into other people possibly being involved in the shooting, and that Nashville police need another three months to finish investigating those people. |
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Quoted: Oh, of course. Because 13 months (and counting) isn't long enough to investigate a lone whacko. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Nashville police need another three months to finish investigating those people. Oh, of course. Because 13 months (and counting) isn't long enough to investigate a lone whacko. According to the city's lawyer, Nashville police now think it may not have been a lone whacko. They have supposedly been spending the last year tracking down suspected accomplices and determining whether or not they were involved in planning or otherwise aiding the shooter, and they need more time to complete the investigation of those people. November is still several months away, so they will likely need additional extensions after the requested three month extension. |
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HB 2082, the House version of the bill that was amended to allow carry of long guns and lower the carry age to 18, was on the House Criminal Justice Committee calendar for yesterday, but now it is on the calendar of the same committee for 4/23/2024.
Another amendment was apparently added. SUMMARY OF BILL AS AMENDED (018335): Deletes the offense of carrying, with the intent to go armed, a firearm or a club. Removes the maximum fine for the offense of possessing a deadly weapon with the intent to employ it during the commission of, attempt to commit, or escape from, another criminal offense, when the deadly weapon is a switchblade knife. Revises the offense for a juvenile to knowingly possess a handgun so that it now applies to possession of a firearm. Revises the many defenses to prosecution for a juvenile to possess a handgun so that they apply to the new offense of a juvenile possessing a firearm. Revises the offense for a person to intentionally, knowingly or recklessly provide a handgun to any person that the individual providing the handgun knows or has reason to believe is a juvenile so that the offense no longer applies to providing a handgun, but rather applies to providing a firearm. Revises the offense for a parent or guardian to intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly provide a handgun to a juvenile, or permit a juvenile to possess a handgun, if the parent or guardian knows of a substantial risk that the juvenile will use the handgun to commit a felony so that the offense no longer applies to a handgun, but rather applies to providing or permitting possession of a firearm. Revises the offense for a person to possess a handgun while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance or controlled substance analogue so that it applies to a person possessing a firearm in such circumstances, rather than a handgun. Lowers the age requirement to obtain an enhanced, lifetime enhanced, or concealed handgun carry permit from 21 years of age to 18 years of age. FISCAL IMPACT OF BILL AS AMENDED: Decrease Local Expenditures – Net Impact – $454,600/FY24-25 and Subsequent Years Other Fiscal Impact – Individuals 18 to 20 years of age have been issued handgun carry permits since June 2023 due to a lawsuit settlement agreed to by the Attorney General; therefore, lowering the age for an individual to receive a permit will have no fiscal impact. Assumptions for the bill as amended: • Pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1307(a), a person commits an offense who carries, with the intent to go armed, a firearm or a club. o The first violation is a Class C misdemeanor, and, in addition to possible imprisonment as provided by law, may be punished by a fine not to exceed $500; o A second or subsequent violation is a Class B misdemeanor; and o A violation is a Class A misdemeanor if the person's carrying of a handgun occurred at a place open to the public where one or more persons were present. • Based on information provided by the Administrative Office of the Courts and the Department of Correction Jail Summary Reports, the average number of convictions each year over the last five years for carrying a firearm or club with the intent to go armed were as follows: o 539 Class A misdemeanor convictions; o 16 Class B misdemeanor convictions; and o 101 Class C misdemeanor convictions. • It is assumed that, on average, a person convicted of a Class C misdemeanor will spend zero days in a local jail, a Class B misdemeanor will spend a total of one day in a local jail, and a person convicted of a Class A misdemeanor will spend a total of 15 days in a local jail. • Based on cost estimates provided by local government entities throughout the state and reported bed capacity within such facilities, the weighted average cost per day to house an inmate in a local jail facility is $59.07. • The recurring decrease in expenditures to local governments associated with Class A misdemeanors is estimated to be $477,581 (539 convictions x $59.07 x 15) in FY24- 25 and subsequent years. • The recurring decrease in expenditures to local governments associated with Class B misdemeanors is estimated to be $945 (16 convictions x $59.07 x 1) in FY24-25 and subsequent years. • The recurring decrease in expenditures to local governments associated with Class C misdemeanors is estimated to be not significant. • The total decrease in expenditures to local governments related to deleting the offense of carrying a firearm or club with the intent to go armed is estimated to be $478,526 ($477,581 Class A + $945 Class B) in FY24-25 and subsequent years. • Based on the Fiscal Review Committee’s 2008 study and the Administrative Office of the Courts’ 2012 study on collection of court costs, fees, and fines, collection in criminal cases is insignificant; therefore, any decrease in local revenue from fines is estimated to be not significant. Likewise, any fiscal impact related to removing the maximum fine for the offense of possessing a deadly weapon with the intent to employ it during the commission of, attempt to commit, or escape from, another criminal offense, when the deadly weapon is a switchblade knife is estimated to be not significant. • Pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1319(b), it is an offense for a juvenile to knowingly possess a handgun. A violation is a delinquent act. • Pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1319(c), in addition to any other disposition authorized by law, the juvenile may be required to perform not more than 100 hours of community service work to be specified by the judge and the juvenile's driving privileges shall be suspended for a period of one year. A second or subsequent violation is a delinquent act and, in addition to any other disposition authorized by law, the juvenile may be required to perform not less than 100 nor more than 200 hours of community service work to be specified by the judge and the juvenile's driving privileges shall be suspended for a period of two years. • The remainder of the section provides several defenses to prosecution for this offense. • The proposed legislation revises the offense so that it is no longer an offense for a juvenile to possess a handgun, but rather it is an offense for a juvenile to possess a firearm. It also revises the various defenses to prosecution so that they apply to the new version of the offense, but substantively the defenses to prosecution remain the same. The penalties for a violation also remain the same. • The Department of Children’s Services (DCS) has only one record pertaining to a delinquent act by a juvenile that involved a firearm. It is unclear if it was a direct citation for this particular offense or incidental to the commission of some other delinquent act. • It is assumed that the revision of the offense to apply to juveniles possessing a firearm will not result in a significant increase in the number of juveniles adjudicated delinquent under this section of code. It is assumed that the discovery of possession of a handgun under the current offense and the discovery of the possession of a firearm under the new offense would likely occur under similar circumstances – most likely in the commission of some other delinquent act. Any fiscal impact to the DCS or other entities that may be involved in the custody of delinquent juveniles or supervising community service is estimated to be not significant. Any fiscal impact to the Department of Safety (DOS) related to driver license revocations is estimated to be not significant. • Pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1320: a) it is an offense for a person intentionally, knowingly or recklessly to provide a handgun with or without remuneration to any person that the person providing the handgun knows or has reason to believe is a juvenile; b) it is an offense for a parent or guardian intentionally, knowingly or recklessly to provide a handgun to a juvenile or permit a juvenile to possess a handgun, if the parent or guardian knows of a substantial risk that the juvenile will use a handgun to commit a felony; c) unlawfully providing or permitting a juvenile to possess a handgun in violation of subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor and in violation of subsection (b) is a Class D felony. • The proposed legislation replaces ‘handgun’ in these offenses with ‘firearm’. • Based on conviction data provided by the AOC, in the last five years there has been an average of zero convictions for either offense. • Revising these offenses so that they apply to firearms is not expected to result in an increase in convictions. Any fiscal impact related to these changes is estimated to be not significant. • Pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1321(a), it is an offense for a person to possess a handgun while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance or controlled substance analogue. • Pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1321(b)(2), it is a Class A misdemeanor offense for a person to possess a firearm when consuming any alcoholic beverage in a public establishment where alcohol is served. • A violation of either is a Class A misdemeanor. • The proposed legislation revises this statute to make it an offense to posses any firearm, rather than only a handgun, while under the influence. This is assumed to increase the number of annual Class A misdemeanor convictions under this statute. • Based on information provided by the AOC and the Department of Correction Jail Summary Reports, there has been an average of 271 Class A misdemeanor convictions for the two offenses in each of the last five years. • The precise number of additional convictions that will occur as a result of the legislation is not known and is dependent on multiple variables. • However, it is reasonably assumed to increase Class A misdemeanor convictions for this offense by 10 percent, or 27 convictions each year (271 annual convictions x 10%). • A person convicted of a Class A misdemeanor is assumed to spend an average of 15 days incarcerated in a local jail. • Based on cost estimates provided by local government entities throughout the state and reported bed capacity within such facilities, the weighted average cost per day to house an inmate in a local jail facility is $59.07. • Therefore, there will be a recurring mandatory increase in local expenditures related to incarceration estimated to be $23,923 (27 convictions x 15 days x $59.07) in FY24-25 and subsequent years. • The net decrease in local expenditures is therefore estimated to be $454,603 ($478,526 decrease - $23,923 increase) in FY24-25 and subsequent years. • Because the legislation deletes the offense of carrying a firearm with the intent to go armed and other related provisions, an adult aged 18 years or older will be permitted to carry a firearm wherever the individual is lawfully present, as long as the individual lawfully possesses the firearm. • Such individuals will not need a handgun carry permit to do so. • The legislation lowers the age to obtain enhanced and lifetime enhanced handgun carry permits from 21 years of age to 18 years of age. • Pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1366(b)(3), in order to qualify for a concealed handgun carry permit, among other requirements, an applicant must meet the qualifications for issuance of an enhanced handgun carry permit. Thus, in addition to lowering the age to obtain an enhanced or lifetime enhanced permit, the proposed legislation would have the effect of also lowering the lawful age to obtain a concealed carry permit to 18. • Pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1307(g)(1)(A), persons aged 21 years and older are currently authorized to carry a handgun without a permit if they lawfully possess the handgun and are in a place where they are lawfully present. Therefore, deleting the offense of carrying with the intent to go armed is also not estimated to significantly impact handgun permit issuance. • In March 2023, the Attorney General’s office agreed to settle a lawsuit which led to no longer prosecuting those ages 18 to 20 for carrying a handgun without a permit. • As a result of the lawsuit, the DOS, in coordination with the Attorney General, started issuing permits to individuals aged 18 to 20 in June 2023. • The proposed changes to the law were enacted last year pursuant to the Attorney General’s agreed upon lawsuit settlement; therefore, any fiscal impact is considered not significant. View Quote ETA: I'm starting to think that the left managed to get some input with the latest amendment. |
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HB 1202, the teacher carry bill picked up some sponsors on Thursday, but apparently no motion for a vote on the House floor, yet.
Kevin Raper, a House republican from Cleveland, TN and former teacher, has voiced opposition to the bill, claiming that the bill doesn't impose enough training (doesn't think it's enough for teachers to deal with a 'panic situation') and saying he is also concerned about accidents involving a gun going off and students getting hurt or traumatized. Various opponents have been trying to portray the bill online as allowing teachers to keep a gun in their desk (where students could access the gun) or keep a gun in their purse, so that they will lose control of the gun when they leave their purse somewhere in the school. |
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The teacher carry bill, HB 1202, has been placed on the House calendar for tomorrow, 4/23/2024. They could have it passed and on the way to the governor's desk, by the end of the day.
I guess that helps explain why the interview, that I saw this morning, with a Covenant mother showed her to be in a foul mood. |
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Democrats are trying to 'poison pill' the teacher carry bill with amendments.
Already one warning issued to the gallery that they will be cleared if they continue shouting. ETA: Failed amendments, so far (if I'm following correctly): - amendment to dump full liability onto the school system for the actions of teachers that are authorized to carry guns - amendment to require the teachers to keep their guns locked up during school - amendment to notify parents - amendment to exclude a county - amendment to exclude a county - amendment to exclude a county - amendment to notify parents - amendment to notify other faculty and staff - amendment to allow parents to have their kid moved to another classroom, if their teacher is armed - amendment to make the state liable for the actions of teachers carrying guns A fair amount of showboating from democrats. ETA2: LOTS of showboating from Jones, after he failed to drag things out by asking that his amendment be read in it's entirety by the clerk. He stirred the gallery up enough for them to get a second warning. His amendment failed. He was followed by Pearson who did his showboating, and his motion failed. ETA3: First person removed from the gallery, after Pearson's second amendment failed. Pearson moving on to his third proposed amendment. ETA4: Things temporarily derailed by a question of whether or not members are allowed to address the gallery during their time to talk about an amendment. The answer is no, they are not (democrats were doing this, before this question was asked). ETA5: Justin Jones, Justin Pearson, and Bo Mitchell seem to be competing for idiot of the day. Jones went for volume (loudness), Pearson went for volume (quantity), and Mitchell went for basic stupidity. ETA6: and Gloria Johnson enters the competition for idiot of the day (ended her time by warning us to be ready for her to point out that she was right, when this bill ends up with more dead children). |
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Mayhem after the vote.
- Gallery chanting "blood on your hands" - Gallery ordered cleared - Jones declared out of order for walking around filming everything (must be doing another video for social media) ETA: Troopers seem to be taking some time to clear the gallery. The chant has switched to "vote them out". I've lost track of how many times Jones has been declared out of order. He's ignoring them and doing his own thing (video for social media?). |
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Just a data point here.
I was in TX at the shooter's symposium. A guy I knew as a bass fisherman and bow hunter is now a "guardian" at his school. He took two pistol classes and an all day first aid class. He is the maintenance guy at a school system, not a teacher. He is exactly the guy you want with a gun in a school. Texas is years ahead of us in this area. |
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Quoted: Just a data point here. I was in TX at the shooter's symposium. A guy I knew as a bass fisherman and bow hunter is now a "guardian" at his school. He took two pistol classes and an all day first aid class. He is the maintenance guy at a school system, not a teacher. He is exactly the guy you want with a gun in a school. Texas is years ahead of us in this area. View Quote If my memory isn't off, the first person that the Covenant shooter encountered inside the building, was reported to be their maintenance/custodian guy. I've seen opponents claiming that this bill will lead to more deaths, due to teachers missing the shooter and hitting students, but the current scenario that seems most likely to happen, is a shooter walking down an empty hallway, trying to find an unlocked classroom door. One of the students that was protesting at the legislature was claiming that she was tired of students having to be told to run zig-zag in the hallways, to avoid being shot. Waaaaaayyy too much disconnect from reality, on one side of this debate. The In-Laws (1979): Getting off the plane in Tijuara |
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Does anyone know what the actual cost is for a teacher to complete the training and associated cost?
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Quoted: Does anyone know what the actual cost is for a teacher to complete the training and associated cost? View Quote Too soon for an accurate number, because the 40 hour course has (last I heard) only been described as being very similar to the training that police officers are required to take to be SROs, with some changes to tailor it to teachers. In addition to that, there is the cost of getting the TN Enhanced Handgun Carry Permit, the mental evaluation, and the additional background check (after passing the background check for the carry permit, there is still another background check, if the information I read was correct). ETA: And there is also the possibility of the school administrator imposing an additional requirement before they will give their authorization to the teacher. ETA2: I tried looking up the cost of SRO training, to get a rough idea of what the 40 hour course for teachers might be, but the TN state police academy apparently provides SRO training for free, while the sponsor of the teacher carry bill said that teachers would have to cover the cost of the training themselves. There have been other states that passed teacher carry bills, and some instructors in those states offered to train teachers for free, just to get more teachers to consider carrying. |
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House adjourned.
Bill requiring 'age appropriate' firearm safety training in public schools passed and signed. Teacher carry bill passed and signed. Red flag bill was killed in committee. Assault weapon ban bill was killed in committee. Bill to end permitless carry was killed in committee. Bill to change our carry laws to allow carry of "firearms", instead of "handguns", got looped back in the committee process by an additional amendment being tacked on and the amendment required getting it reconsidered by a committee that had previously approved the bill and its earlier amendment. Clock ran out before it could recover from that delay. ETA: Voices for a Safer Tennessee is claiming this as their victory, along with claiming victory for some bills that impose stiffer penalties on criminals getting passed. Their summation is “We’re seeing a subtle, but significant shift in the debate over firearm safety in the legislature”. Funny how earlier this week, two of their people were complaining to reporters outside the legislature that members of the legislature were refusing to work with them, because it is an election year. |
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[#38]
thank you.
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