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Posted: 3/15/2018 7:03:49 PM EDT
[#1]
This is Gov. Scott's appointee Belinda Keiser's response:
"Thank you for expressing your thoughts on this proposal. As this proposal moves through the committee I will continue to give this issue the time and attention it deserves. I hope you will continue to engage in this constitution revision process." The threat is real guys and gals. If we do not get active locally, we will continue to lose this fight. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 7:43:17 PM EDT
[#2]
All semi auto rifles? Lol, good luck with that.
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Posted: 3/15/2018 8:07:56 PM EDT
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All semi auto rifles? Lol, good luck with that. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 11:43:01 AM EDT
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That's exactly what people said when the FL legislators were discussing a ban on ALL firearms for 18, 19, and 20 yo. If we don't get active locally, we will continue to lose the fight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All semi auto rifles? Lol, good luck with that. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 12:44:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Florida Legislature can pass laws like SB7026, but the Florida Constitution cannot be amended without 60% voter approval in the next general election. Not likely, but doesn't mean they wont try... The poll they are citing with 62% support was just over 1100 random people. There isn't a break down of what counties were polled. The questions asked just asked about "assault weapons", they didn't define what that meant. I never forget that the left doesn't care how they get what they want. They will lie, they will go around laws, they will do anything and everything. Despite claiming the moral high ground, they have no moral compass. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 2:56:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's very likely. About 85 to 90% of Democrats would vote for it and some measure of Republicans as well. Most don't understand that the left's definition of "assault weapon" is by cosmetic features, not by function. There's also likely to be a heavier than normal Democrat turn out. That's also why they pushed so hard to get medical marijuana on the ballot during the presidential election cycle. I personally am not fond of the rash of constitutional amendments in Florida lately. People don't seem to understand that is a big f'ing deal and anything amending our state constitution shouldn't be trivial. The poll they are citing with 62% support was just over 1100 random people. There isn't a break down of what counties were polled. The questions asked just asked about "assault weapons", they didn't define what that meant. I never forget that the left doesn't care how they get what they want. They will lie, they will go around laws, they will do anything and everything. Despite claiming the moral high ground, they have no moral compass. I must admit, however, I never saw SB7026 coming; and I never imagined the Republican supermajority Florida legislature would push that through, so quickly, without intelligent debate. So it should be regarded as a possible threat at this point. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 5:03:44 PM EDT
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The montra “for the children “, has lulled normally gun control resistant voters into supporting Bill’s such as the the travesty that passed and was signed into law by our unscrupulous Governor Scott. Many of us in our sixties or older, haven’t seen such a fast and furious vote against the Second Amendment,
by a supposed pro gun conservative legislature. We must, and cannot allow this betrayal to happen again. After all, there is no other county, and damn few states that offer refuge for armed citizens. Failure means that we become subjects and our citizenship is lost. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 5:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's exactly what people said when the FL legislators were discussing a ban on ALL firearms for 18, 19, and 20 yo. If we don't get active locally, we will continue to lose the fight. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 5:26:07 PM EDT
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the local gun show cancelled this weekend,, they tried to appease the anti-civil rights antigun people. so now they are holding a gun ban convention in its place to show how pleased they were. show weakness and they jump on it.
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Posted: 3/16/2018 5:28:12 PM EDT
[#10]
there is talk on another rally at the State capitol. I will try to make it again but funds are pretty low at the moment. this time thought think they were trying to do many states at once
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Posted: 3/16/2018 6:45:37 PM EDT
[#11]
This is the current wording as per the articles linked:
"In his amendment, an “assault weapon” is defined as a semiautomatic rifle that is able to accept a detachable magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that is capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, or that has a fixed magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition." They have also stated that they will use the same or similar group of people and law professors that helped write and get the marijuana amendment passed to write the anti-gun amendment. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 8:39:50 PM EDT
[#12]
Any indication of a grandfather clause?
Thats a lot of rifles to "confiscate" |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 10:24:10 PM EDT
[#13]
I believe I read somewhere that it will have a grandfather clause. But we should not let it get to that point.
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Posted: 3/16/2018 11:38:03 PM EDT
[#14]
I’m hoping it stalls out, but I’m nervous. If it goes on the ballot, I will be shitting kittens. If it passes, I will seriously consider moving to another State, been wanting a change of scenery for a while anyway.
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Posted: 3/16/2018 11:48:13 PM EDT
[#15]
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I’m hoping it stalls out, but I’m nervous. If it goes on the ballot, I will be shitting kittens. If it passes, I will seriously consider moving to another State, been wanting a change of scenery for a while anyway. |
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Posted: 3/17/2018 12:12:54 AM EDT
[#16]
I call and email... I’m not entirely sure they even take email seriously, they just have a couple of canned emails imho.
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Posted: 3/17/2018 4:22:56 PM EDT
[#17]
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I believe I read somewhere that it will have a grandfather clause. But we should not let it get to that point. ETA: I just went through the proposed amendments, only one mentioned a ban on "Assault Weapons" that basically stated every AK/AR platform. Was put in by Rodriguez. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/7026/Amendment/831648/HTML Was marked as: Unfavorable 2/26/2018. Am I missing a "new" proposal? |
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Posted: 3/17/2018 6:04:46 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't want it to, but need to know. That's all. ETA: I just went through the proposed amendments, only one mentioned a ban on "Assault Weapons" that basically stated every AK/AR platform. Was put in by Rodriguez. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/7026/Amendment/831648/HTML Was marked as: Unfavorable 2/26/2018. Am I missing a "new" proposal? |
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Posted: 3/17/2018 6:14:20 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the law they passed, this thread is about a possible constitution amendment. I see no talk of "bans coming to the constitution" anywhere other than here. Where are we getting this info? Where are the proposals? Etc. The links in the OP have nothing but what already tried and failed. At least from what I can read. Maybe I'm skimming over it. Link please. ETA: What I posted in the link was from the OP link. |
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Posted: 3/17/2018 7:21:13 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of my point. I see no talk of "bans coming to the constitution" anywhere other than here. Where are we getting this info? Where are the proposals? Etc. The links in the OP have nothing but what already tried and failed. At least from what I can read. Maybe I'm skimming over it. Link please. ETA: What I posted in the link was from the OP link. eta: here are the active proposals currently under consideration. |
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Posted: 3/17/2018 8:32:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I checked the CRC website and read current proposals by Martinez or Smith and I can't find any language related to guns. The articles linked say that they want to add these to the ballot in Nov. but so far, as I said, I can't find anything specific. Make no mistake, they're trying and they're relentless. We have to stay on our toes but I think we can leave the Pmag covers on, for now. eta: here are the active proposals currently under consideration. I'm not good with these kind of things. |
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Posted: 3/17/2018 9:49:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with you completely. I just think if they use the exact terminology "ALL semi automatic rifles" they will get nowhere, and that is my fervent hope. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 1:11:50 AM EDT
[#23]
FL falls this will be big for the country the anti gunner will be trying this in all the states.......
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Posted: 3/18/2018 3:42:43 AM EDT
[#24]
https://thefloridachannel.org/videos/3-13-18-constitution-revision-commission-st-petersburg-part-1/
This link is to part 1 of the CRC meeting on 3/13/18, the last public meeting of the year. Around 9:00ish is the first anti-gun speaker. Another one at 36:30ish. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 3:44:46 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I checked the CRC website and read current proposals by Martinez or Smith and I can't find any language related to guns. The articles linked say that they want to add these to the ballot in Nov. but so far, as I said, I can't find anything specific. Make no mistake, they're trying and they're relentless. We have to stay on our toes but I think we can leave the Pmag covers on, for now. eta: here are the active proposals currently under consideration. possibly be considered in accordance with Rule 4.5. ..." So they can very well add additional proposals. Better start hitting those emails. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 6:21:12 AM EDT
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FL falls this will be big for the country the anti gunner will be trying this in all the states.......   
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Posted: 3/19/2018 2:23:11 PM EDT
[#27]
My only response so far was a 0.
Greetings, Thank you for expressing your thoughts on this proposal. As this proposal moves through the committee I will continue to give this issue the time and attention it deserves. I hope you will continue to engage in this constitution revision process. Sincerely, Belinda Keiser [email protected]??? |
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Posted: 3/19/2018 4:29:43 PM EDT
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Just sent this in a mass email to the list.
It is with great concern that I write this email, it is one that I had never dreamed I would have to. As a proud Floridian, I am at a loss regarding the recent attacks from the media and the legislature on our second amendment rights. I am troubled, as the laws and proposals being pushed forth do nothing to keep our children safe and everything to further erode our constitutional rights. The focus has shifted from school safety and security, to scapegoating the law abiding citizens and the aesthetic characteristics of the most popular sporting rifle in the United States. The proposed bans and restrictions only chip away at the very foundation of our great country and are nothing more than feel good legislation with no real purpose or thought. Please, I urge you as a constituent, do not vote “aye” on any bills, laws or proposals that seek to further distance us from freedoms the founding fathers guaranteed us. To do so would only ensure that our votes in the upcoming and future elections go to politicians that seek to enforce and defend the Constitution of the United States. |
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Posted: 3/19/2018 10:29:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Is it official enough for you guys? The NRA just sent an urgent message regarding this very issue. Start emailing now...
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS: https://www.flcrc.gov/Proposals/Commissioner/2017/0003/Amendment/682026/PDF https://www.flcrc.gov/Proposals/Commissioner/2017/0003/Amendment/545572/PDF https://www.flcrc.gov/Proposals/Commissioner/2017/0003/Amendment/290732/HTML https://www.flcrc.gov/Proposals/Commissioner/2017/0003/Amendment/783324/PDF https://www.flcrc.gov/Proposals/Commissioner/2017/0003/Amendment/117574/PDF https://www.flcrc.gov/Proposals/Commissioner/2017/0003/Amendment/615688/PDF |
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Posted: 3/19/2018 11:01:30 PM EDT
[#30]
I just put a post on this in GD, since not everyone checks this sub fourm
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Posted: 3/20/2018 12:49:04 AM EDT
[#31]
Emails sent! Thanks for the heads up!
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Posted: 3/20/2018 9:43:16 AM EDT
[#32]
Email sent
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Posted: 3/20/2018 12:38:07 PM EDT
[#33]
Email sent to all the commissioners. I've already gotten quite a few automated, canned responses.
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Posted: 3/21/2018 5:56:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2018 7:42:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Reported on News 13 this evening that the Constitution push for more gun Control failed!!!!
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Posted: 3/21/2018 7:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 3/21/2018 9:10:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Small victory, but not a reason to let our guard down in any way. The antis will be back and hit harder.
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Posted: 3/21/2018 9:21:16 PM EDT
[#38]
Time to send an email and call to thank the responsible members for listening to the citizens of Florida...
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Posted: 3/22/2018 12:05:12 AM EDT
[#39]
It was killed for being procedurally improper; they didn't vote on the merits.
The forces pushing for this policy change will not stop with the CRC. I suspect they'll try to get it on the ballot in a future election, using the usual signature/petition process. And if it makes it on the ballot in the future, expect a very hard fight. The polling numbers, at least right now, look concerning. |
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Posted: 3/22/2018 2:09:42 AM EDT
[#40]
They pretty much said they didn't expect to get it on the ballot this year. They will keep trying. The way those questions are put on the ballot for people to vote doesn't tell you anything about the law behind it. They are counting on that. At this point even with the turncoat R's we have in office it would be almost impossible to get the law passed that they want. Most Republicans at least understand enough to not want to ban all semi-auto guns. But if the left gets it on the ballot as an amendment they can be very vague with the wording and have a much greater chance of getting the 60% threshold.
I'm actually pretty damn tired of the BS stuff that's made it in as amendments lately. Some of the stuff I'm not against, it's just their way of getting around things. That's one of the problems with being a conservative, we tend to try and follow the rules and laws. The other side doesn't. |
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Posted: 3/22/2018 6:17:30 AM EDT
[#41]
other than yankees moving here, Florida's biggest problem is letting the Constitution be amended by popular vote.
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Posted: 3/22/2018 9:13:36 AM EDT
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other than yankees moving here, Florida's biggest problem is letting the Constitution be amended by popular vote. Trading one big problem for another in the long run. |
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Posted: 3/22/2018 10:12:20 PM EDT
[#43]
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other than yankees moving here, Florida's biggest problem is letting the Constitution be amended by popular vote. |
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Posted: 3/23/2018 7:59:35 PM EDT
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This is how the initiative process works.
https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_the_initiative_process_in_Florida |
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Posted: 3/25/2018 3:35:46 PM EDT
[#45]
Can I get the cliff notes as to what's going on in FL regarding gun control shit?
Are they trying to ban outright like commiefornia? I thought I read something about a 2 year halt on sales of ARs and the like. If that's the case does that mean it only effected new sales not current owners and is there registration talk? Legitimately curious. Thank you. |
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Posted: 3/25/2018 4:48:03 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Can I get the cliff notes as to what's going on in FL regarding gun control shit? Are they trying to ban outright like commiefornia? I thought I read something about a 2 year halt on sales of ARs and the like. If that's the case does that mean it only effected new sales not current owners and is there registration talk? Legitimately curious. Thank you. Must be 21 to buy a gun. Can't sell to under 21 if you're an FFL, but a private seller might be OK. Poorly worded. Unless you have a carry permit, are a cop or have passed a hunter safety course; 3-day wait for all gun sales. Bump stocks be banned as of October 1. Money will be ceremonially burned to avoid citing the actual cause of the chain of events leading up to the murders in Parkland. A largely theoretical pathway to allow some school employees to conceal carry has been created. Schools are now mandated to have an SRO on duty, but no real funding for it is provided to either the schools or LEO agencies. No gun control appears to be forthcoming from the constitutional review, so far. |
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Posted: 3/25/2018 7:53:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What we got from the law makers: Must be 21 to buy a gun. Can't sell to under 21 if you're an FFL, but a private seller might be OK. Poorly worded. Unless you have a carry permit, are a cop or have passed a hunter safety course; 3-day wait for all gun sales. Bump stocks be banned as of October 1. Money will be ceremonially burned to avoid citing the actual cause of the chain of events leading up to the murders in Parkland. A largely theoretical pathway to allow some school employees to conceal carry has been created. Schools are now mandated to have an SRO on duty, but no real funding for it is provided to either the schools or LEO agencies. No gun control appears to be forthcoming from the constitutional review, so far. |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 10:02:04 AM EDT
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I will remain in Florida long enough to vote against Rick the trader Scott should he run for U.S. Senate....
 Then I will be moving to a state that is pro2nd. Am...
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Posted: 3/28/2018 12:04:30 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I will remain in Florida long enough to vote against Rick the trader Scott should he run for U.S. Senate.... Then I will be moving to a state that is pro2nd. Am... |
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Posted: 3/28/2018 5:57:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your new sanctuary won't remain pro 2a for long. It's spreading faster than you can run. |
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