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Posted: 12/18/2022 6:21:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hoping to get more training in next year. I’ve signed up to take the TNVC NF-201 again next year in Great Falls. Hoping to get an advanced carbine class for 2023? Even it it’s a full day drive away I’m willing to make the journey. Does anyone know of any classes? Thanks. I am thinking of taking the 201 class in April, is that the one you signed up for? Wife and BIL are probably doing 101. I don't know of any Carbine classes as of yet. |
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Posted: 12/18/2022 7:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am thinking of taking the 201 class in April, is that the one you signed up for? Wife and BIL are probably doing 101. I don't know of any Carbine classes as of yet. Nope, I went with the fall class. Do it! I took it this last Sept and learned a ton. But, I felt like I was barely treading water throughout much of it. So many room exercises with something new/different to focus on every time. Very humbling. I need to go back again and see if I can’t apply what I learned. Bill has put a lot of time into the class and changed it from the previous title of ‘Armed Professional’ to fit the new curriculum. |
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Posted: 12/18/2022 9:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, I went with the fall class. Do it! I took it this last Sept and learned a ton. But, I felt like I was barely treading water throughout much of it. So many room exercises with something new/different to focus on every time. Very humbling. I need to go back again and see if I can’t apply what I learned. Bill has put a lot of time into the class and changed it from the previous title of ‘Armed Professional’ to fit the new curriculum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am thinking of taking the 201 class in April, is that the one you signed up for? Wife and BIL are probably doing 101. I don't know of any Carbine classes as of yet. Nope, I went with the fall class. Do it! I took it this last Sept and learned a ton. But, I felt like I was barely treading water throughout much of it. So many room exercises with something new/different to focus on every time. Very humbling. I need to go back again and see if I can’t apply what I learned. Bill has put a lot of time into the class and changed it from the previous title of ‘Armed Professional’ to fit the new curriculum. That's why I want to take it, the new curriculum. |
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Posted: 12/25/2022 7:44:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why I want to take it, the new curriculum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am thinking of taking the 201 class in April, is that the one you signed up for? Wife and BIL are probably doing 101. I don't know of any Carbine classes as of yet. Nope, I went with the fall class. Do it! I took it this last Sept and learned a ton. But, I felt like I was barely treading water throughout much of it. So many room exercises with something new/different to focus on every time. Very humbling. I need to go back again and see if I can’t apply what I learned. Bill has put a lot of time into the class and changed it from the previous title of ‘Armed Professional’ to fit the new curriculum. That's why I want to take it, the new curriculum. Here’s a very good review of NF-201 written by a guy that I was lucky enough to get partnered up with throughout much of the class. So nice to get paired up with a guy that has his level of knowledge, skills and abilities. He totally enhanced my learning. |
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Posted: 12/30/2022 7:39:57 PM EDT
[#5]
Has anyone here taken a Chris Costa class? Opinions?
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Posted: 1/2/2023 11:33:58 AM EDT
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Warrior Poet Society was out here last year in Big Fork, I am hoping they will return this year. I haven't trained with them but my friends have and highly recommend it. If they come back here I'll be there.
I have also looked at Western MT Tactical https://www.wmtac.com and Tactic MT https://tacticmt.com and they seem promising. I trained with TSG in Sept and it was great training. Excellent foundational work and, most importantly, the mindset training is top notch. Cannot recommend them enough. Link to the class I took. https://tacticalsolutionsgroup.com/courses/predator-guardian-three-day-high-threat-operations/ |
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Posted: 1/3/2023 3:24:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hoping to get more training in next year. I’ve signed up to take the TNVC NF-201 again next year in Great Falls. Hoping to get an advanced carbine class for 2023? Even it it’s a full day drive away I’m willing to make the journey. Does anyone know of any classes? Thanks. How do you feel about attending Warfighter Challenge about two hours northeast of Billings? It isn't a "class" but you might be surprised how much you can learn there. |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:30:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Warrior Poet Society was out here last year in Big Fork, I am hoping they will return this year. I haven't trained with them but my friends have and highly recommend it. If they come back here I'll be there. I have also looked at Western MT Tactical https://www.wmtac.com and Tactic MT https://tacticmt.com and they seem promising. I trained with TSG in Sept and it was great training. Excellent foundational work and, most importantly, the mindset training is top notch. Cannot recommend them enough. Link to the class I took. https://tacticalsolutionsgroup.com/courses/predator-guardian-three-day-high-threat-operations/ Man, I didn’t realize WPS was in MT last year. I don’t see anything close by on their schedule this year. If you hear of them coming please let me know. Tactic is probably the easiest logistically. Seems like their prices have jumped up a bit. I haven’t heard much feedback outside of their basic/intro classes. I don’t see any 2023 classes on TSG’s website but I’ll keep looking to see if that changes. Same with WMTTactical. Thanks for the suggestions. 
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Posted: 1/4/2023 9:34:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you feel about attending Warfighter Challenge about two hours northeast of Billings? It isn't a "class" but you might be surprised how much you can learn there. Can you post the details of this, please? If I recall it’s pretty physical. My back was jacked last year and there was no way I could attempt it. Perhaps I can hack it this year. Thanks. ETA Found it! |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 7:05:21 PM EDT
[#10]
Bumping this again to see if anyone has heard of any classes other training that might be happening in the region this year.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 2:09:25 AM EDT
[#11]
I'm doing a Costa class in ID in July.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:54:00 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm doing a Costa class in ID in July. Awesome! I was looking at his Carbine 2 class but I have a conflict with work at that time. Grrrrr. |
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Posted: 4/5/2023 9:39:36 PM EDT
[#13]
Welp, Costa class got canx due to lack of students.
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Posted: 4/6/2023 8:26:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Welp, Costa class got canx due to lack of students. I think you will see a lot of this. People are having to be careful with spending. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 12:52:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Welp, Costa class got canx due to lack of students. Damn, that sucks. |
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Posted: 4/8/2023 11:59:50 PM EDT
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Depending on the timing, I can come out to MT, or somewhere east of there, and run a course, either formally or at a cost basis if the majority of participants are APC-rated.
@Lurk-king and @Lomshek came out to a course last year in MO, here is the thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Carbine-Course-August-27th-and-28th-Gadsden-Range-Iberia-MO-Full-/69-663134/ |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 12:12:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depending on the timing, I can come out to MT, or somewhere east of there, and run a course, either formally or at a cost basis if the majority of participants are APC-rated. @Lurk-king and @Lomshek came out to a course last year in MS, here is the thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Carbine-Course-August-27th-and-28th-Gadsden-Range-Iberia-MO-Full-/69-663134/ That would be awesome! It was great instruction and a lot of fun. Pretty sure I could find a +1 or 2 |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 12:27:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depending on the timing, I can come out to MT, or somewhere east of there, and run a course, either formally or at a cost basis if the majority of participants are APC-rated. @Lurk-king and @Lomshek came out to a course last year in MO, here is the thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Carbine-Course-August-27th-and-28th-Gadsden-Range-Iberia-MO-Full-/69-663134/ I'd like to point out that it is really, really easy to get a 3rd Class rating. Seriously. All you have to do is go hiking a few times- and the distances are not far, and the pace is not fast. It is a normal walking pace. That said, don't fake having earned a rating- this has happened before and people are always found out. It is embarrassing to get kicked from training in front of your peers because you're a danger to yourself and others due to claiming to be proficient in basic safety skills when you are not. Or saying you can hike 6 miles in two hours, then showing up to training and learning the actual training site is only a mile from parking and you're unable to carry your gear from the parking lot to the training site. |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 4:33:43 AM EDT
[#19]
LOL. That sounds like cheap entertainment.
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Posted: 4/9/2023 10:21:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. That sounds like cheap entertainment. Maybe it was Heavy 6 showing up. |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 2:47:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to point out that it is really, really easy to get a 3rd Class rating. Seriously. All you have to do is go hiking a few times- and the distances are not far, and the pace is not fast. It is a normal walking pace. That said, don't fake having earned a rating- this has happened before and people are always found out. It is embarrassing to get kicked from training in front of your peers because you're a danger to yourself and others due to claiming to be proficient in basic safety skills when you are not. Or saying you can hike 6 miles in two hours, then showing up to training and learning the actual training site is only a mile from parking and you're unable to carry your gear from the parking lot to the training site. Ooooof! |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 2:54:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depending on the timing, I can come out to MT, or somewhere east of there, and run a course, either formally or at a cost basis if the majority of participants are APC-rated. @Lurk-king and @Lomshek came out to a course last year in MO, here is the thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/Carbine-Course-August-27th-and-28th-Gadsden-Range-Iberia-MO-Full-/69-663134/ The class was a great exposure to multiple items. Everything from basic ready up drills to two man movement with lots between. |
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Posted: 4/10/2023 10:53:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ooooof! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd like to point out that it is really, really easy to get a 3rd Class rating. Seriously. All you have to do is go hiking a few times- and the distances are not far, and the pace is not fast. It is a normal walking pace. That said, don't fake having earned a rating- this has happened before and people are always found out. It is embarrassing to get kicked from training in front of your peers because you're a danger to yourself and others due to claiming to be proficient in basic safety skills when you are not. Or saying you can hike 6 miles in two hours, then showing up to training and learning the actual training site is only a mile from parking and you're unable to carry your gear from the parking lot to the training site. Ooooof! Six hours of hiking the night before class can get a rating  ETA: You'd also qualify for extra shooting position transition training - stand, kneel, prone, kneel, urban-prone, two shots from each position, go! |
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Posted: 4/10/2023 11:14:45 AM EDT
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What dates/locations are we looking at for this? Are we only looking at advanced pistol/carbine, or did anyone want to do a basic course first? Focus on competitive shooting or on practical applications?
I generally teach a roll-up of the really old Magpul/Chris Costa curriculum with some of the urban gunfighter stuff from the Brokos courses. |
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Posted: 4/10/2023 11:37:15 AM EDT
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I'd definitely be interested in this. Trying to get together with some guys in the flathead to get rated, but life keeps getting in the way. I'd be more interested in practical vs competition.
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Posted: 4/22/2023 4:24:35 PM EDT
[#26]
My calendar has some slots in late July/early August. Any preferences in terms of location etc?
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Posted: 4/22/2023 8:39:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Six hours of hiking the night before class can get a rating ETA: You'd also qualify for extra shooting position transition training - stand, kneel, prone, kneel, urban-prone, two shots from each position, go! So, how does someone become qualified to attend one of your trainings exactly? |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:40:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, how does someone become qualified to attend one of your trainings exactly? Sweat. Two hikes of 6 miles each, with at least two witnesses/hiking buddies that aren't related to you. Each hike must be completed in under 2 hours, and you (though your compatriots/witnesses are not required to) must carry a 35lbs pack and a rifle, or a 45lbs pack without a rifle. Sweat buys you several thousand dollars worth of classes. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 8:48:58 AM EDT
[#29]
https://www.kinetic-consulting.net/
?2023 Classes ? Apr 29-30 - Rifle Mechanics - Sugarloaf, PA May 6-7 - Weaponized Geometry - Ashburn, GA May 19-21 - Night Vision CQB - Muncie, IN May 27-28 - Rifle Mechanics - Waterman, IL June 3-4 - Weaponized Geometry - Miami, FL June 9-10 - Rifle Mechanics - Morristown, MN June 17-18 - Weaponized Geometry - Charlotte, NC June 23-25 - Night Vision CQB - Goldendale, WA July 8-9 - Weaponized Geometry - Spokane, WA July 15-16 - Rifle Mechanics - Boise, ID July 21 - Weaponized Geometry Clinic - Vero Beach, FL July 22-23 - Weaponized Geometry 2 - Vero Beach, FL Aug 5-6 - Weaponized Geometry 2 - Muncie, IN Aug 11-12 - Weaponized Geometry 2 - Eugene, OR Aug 19-20 - RDS Mechanics - Pala, CA Aug 26-27 - Handgun Mechanics - Goldendale, WA Sep 9-10 - Rifle Mechanics - Searsboro, IA Sep 16-17 - Weaponized Geometry 2 - Goldendale, WA Sep 23-24 - Weaponized Geometry 2 - Miami, FL Sep 29-30 - NVG 1 - Eugene, OR Oct 13-14 - NVG 1 - Bosie, ID Oct 17-18 - LE Low Light Mechanics - Kansas City, KS Oct 21-22 - Handgun Mechanics - Little Rock, AR Oct 24-26 - LE NVG 1 - Lockport, IL Nov 10-11 - NVG 1 - Pikeville, TN Nov 16-19 - Greenline Tactical Night Ops Summit - Barnwell, SC Dec 9-10 - NVG 1 - Garrettsville, OH Dec 15-16 - NVG Handgun Mechanics - Lancaster, KY |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 2:56:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2023 11:20:23 PM EDT
[#31]
One of the guys is tied into the tnvc group.
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Posted: 4/24/2023 9:04:33 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, how does someone become qualified to attend one of your trainings exactly? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Six hours of hiking the night before class can get a rating ETA: You'd also qualify for extra shooting position transition training - stand, kneel, prone, kneel, urban-prone, two shots from each position, go! So, how does someone become qualified to attend one of your trainings exactly? As Ben said - the basic ratings are hikes with weight, distance and time things. When I got out of the army way back when I said I'd never ruck again since I did that so much, yet here I am doing it once more, and actually feeling good and wanting to do it. As it turns out having that fitness base makes all my other fun sports much more enjoyable. I teach both APC courses and privately. Think of being APC-qualified as getting one hell of a discount on the courses. I teach at cost for APC (so $0 for a lot of things) and people without a rating can simply pay the actual course fee if it's a mixed class (which goes back to APC). The stuff you can get through APC that's hard to get anywhere else are the mountaineering, boat safety, search and rescue courses, and fieldcraft. If you're APC-rated I know you're not likely to collapse on the more physically intensive parts of the training, aren't going to whine about rocks in your shoes, and your load-bearing kit is more likely to be sorted. That saves me a lot of time at the beginning of the class. To conclude though, I am fine with teaching a course whether you're APC or not. $1000 base + $500 per person (min 5 ppl) for a private 2 day pistol/carbine course is my rate, plus what the facility charges. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 12:56:22 PM EDT
[#33]
@homeyclaus
Interested if in MT. Would also bring a +1. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 4:33:12 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @homeyclaus Interested if in MT. Would also bring a +1. So we have 2, anyone else? Bozeman area? |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 7:24:35 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So we have 2, anyone else? Bozeman area? Unfortunately I don’t think the old L4/L5/S1 is gonna allow me to meet the physical requirements. A 30 year career of humping loads through mountains across the nation has left me unable to do so now. 
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Posted: 4/25/2023 8:14:20 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately I don’t think the old L4/L5/S1 is gonna allow me to meet the physical requirements. A 30 year career of humping loads through mountains across the nation has left me unable to do so now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So we have 2, anyone else? Bozeman area? Unfortunately I don’t think the old L4/L5/S1 is gonna allow me to meet the physical requirements. A 30 year career of humping loads through mountains across the nation has left me unable to do so now. @sunnybean - It's only a requirement for official APC courses, this probably won't be one. |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 2:37:18 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So we have 2, anyone else? Bozeman area? Do you have a place in the Bozeman area in mind? If not, what sort of facilities/area would be ideal? |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 4:16:09 PM EDT
[#38]
I'd really like to, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to swing it.
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Posted: 4/26/2023 8:41:51 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a place in the Bozeman area in mind? If not, what sort of facilities/area would be ideal? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So we have 2, anyone else? Bozeman area? Do you have a place in the Bozeman area in mind? If not, what sort of facilities/area would be ideal? A maps search came up with a couple of places, but for things like this I generally ask the students; they know the local ranges, and may even know some of the management. An outdoor range bay, bermed on three sides, with enough space for everyone (figure on 10' per student minimum) is the only requirement. Nice-to-have's are a range facility that has target stands, some steel, and a covered area by the range to use for instruction. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 10:38:38 AM EDT
[#40]
If everyone wanted to come to Kalispell
...I could check with my private club.
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Posted: 4/26/2023 2:25:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If everyone wanted to come to Kalispell ...I could check with my private club.Flights all cost the same, unless I wanted to drive 4+ hours from Spokane in a rental car. With the new laws in WA it remains to be seen if it's like flying through NJ with checked firearms though. Driving is 2300 miles each way for me 
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:42:15 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If everyone wanted to come to Kalispell ...I could check with my private club.Which one? |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 12:19:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which one? Bigfork |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 3:16:06 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A maps search came up with a couple of places, but for things like this I generally ask the students; they know the local ranges, and may even know some of the management. An outdoor range bay, bermed on three sides, with enough space for everyone (figure on 10' per student minimum) is the only requirement. Nice-to-have's are a range facility that has target stands, some steel, and a covered area by the range to use for instruction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So we have 2, anyone else? Bozeman area? Do you have a place in the Bozeman area in mind? If not, what sort of facilities/area would be ideal? A maps search came up with a couple of places, but for things like this I generally ask the students; they know the local ranges, and may even know some of the management. An outdoor range bay, bermed on three sides, with enough space for everyone (figure on 10' per student minimum) is the only requirement. Nice-to-have's are a range facility that has target stands, some steel, and a covered area by the range to use for instruction. I have two places you can use, one in Melstone, and one in Townsend. For free!* *Donations to APC are appreciated. **The Melstone place has a significant number of mixed APC and personal steel targets, so there (if you use said targets) some sort of minimal contribution would probably be appropriate. Last time we let someone use those targets they hit them with a larger than authorized caliber and put holes in some of them. 
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Posted: 5/13/2023 10:04:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2023 7:33:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/20/2023 12:58:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some classes coming to MT… https://modern-samurai-project.myshopify.com/products/red-dot-pistol-fundamentals-and-performance-2-day-course-montana-tactical-firearms-instruction-mtfi-three-forks-mt-august-5-6-2023 https://app.promotix.com/events/details/Boulder--MT---Grow---Master-Rifle-Carbine-Fundamentals-tickets https://app.promotix.com/events/details/Handgun-Fundamentals-tickets-3 https://www.rileytbowman.com/course/2-day-pistol-intelligence-boulder-mt/ https://app.promotix.com/events/details/Boulder--MT---Fighting-Rifle-Applications-tickets https://app.promotix.com/events/details/Boulder-MT---3-Day-Handgun---Fundamentals-to-Advanced-tickets Oh dang. Defenders USA is coming up here...that's awesome. He started in Grand Junction, CO when I lived in Montrose, CO. Never trained with him, but a few friends did. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 3:59:44 PM EDT
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If anyone would be interested to take a class with Defenders USA in Kalispell this summer or fall, please let me know. I have been talking to Adam this morning about what it would take to get him up here in addition to Boulder.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 4:21:31 PM EDT
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Depending on when in kalispell, I could probably make it work.
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