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Posted: 2/17/2022 7:46:38 PM EDT

Has anybody heard anything, besides rumors, that someone bought the rights or whatever, to have the gunshow again at Knob Creek? I’m from Mississippi and had been going there since the early 1990’s and it was always worth the trip. Thanks in advance!

Posted: 2/18/2022 1:27:54 PM EDT

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I heard Kenny had an offer from someone to buy the range. Don't have any details though, except he was holding out for more money.

Posted: 2/19/2022 1:30:19 PM EDT

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I heard Kenny had an offer from someone to buy the range. Don't have any details though, except he was holding out for more money.

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I was under the impression that Kenny (well his dad) had a LONG term lease from uncle sam, as it used to be a Louisville Naval Ordnance testing range during WW2.

Thats the rumor I've always heard.

Posted: 2/21/2022 11:08:36 AM EDT

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I was under the impression that Kenny (well his dad) had a LONG term lease from uncle sam, as it used to be a Louisville Naval Ordnance testing range during WW2.

Thats the rumor I've always heard.

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The range is located at 690 Ritchey Lane in West Point. I just checked the Bullit County PVA sight and searched for that address. The whole 241 acres is owned by Kenneth and Steven Sumner, so they own it, it's not a lease.

Posted: 2/21/2022 12:17:10 PM EDT

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The range is located at 690 Ritchey Lane in West Point. I just checked the Bullit County PVA sight and searched for that address. The whole 241 acres is owned by Kenneth and Steven Sumner, so they own it, it's not a lease.

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Thats cool. Let's just hope things stay gun friendly down there.

Posted: 3/30/2022 10:17:14 PM EDT

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Will there be a gun show there anytime in April like there used to be?

Posted: 3/30/2022 10:32:57 PM EDT

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Thats cool. Let's just hope things stay gun friendly down there.

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Are you kidding? You hope that Bullitt County stays gun friendly? I think we can safely assume it will remain so.

Posted: 3/31/2022 6:31:08 AM EDT

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Are you kidding? You hope that Bullitt County stays gun friendly? I think we can safely assume it will remain so.

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I was thinking more along the lines of some housing developments that might spring up around the range
and then the residents would start bitching about the
noise.

Posted: 3/31/2022 4:45:39 PM EDT

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I was thinking more along the lines of some housing developments that might spring up around the range
and then the residents would start bitching about the
noise.

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I'm terrible at reading laws but this appears to protect KCR

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/kentucky/

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Range Protection

No shooting range shall be or shall become a nuisance, either public or private, solely as a result of changed conditions in or around the locality of the range if the range has been in operation for one (1) year...

KY. REV. STAT. § 237.210 Effect of changed conditions on nuisance actions involving shooting ranges; standing to sue; limitation of liability; prohibition against retroactive application of laws

(1) No shooting range shall be or shall become a nuisance, either public or private, solely as a result of changed conditions in or around the locality of the range if the range has been in operation for one (1) year since the date on which it commenced operation as a shooting range. Subsequent physical expansion of the range or expansion of the types of firearms in use at the range shall not establish a new date of commencement of operations for purposes of this section unless the change triples the amount of the noise produced by the shooting range. The increase in the noise level at the shooting range shall be measured by an independent testing agency or a unit of government and shall compare the highest noise levels during any one (1) month during which the range is in full operation with a subsequent month in which the range is in full operation and conducting a comparable level of shooting activities. Only a person who lives adjacent to the shooting range shall have standing to bring an action under this section.

(2) No shooting range or unit of government or person owning, operating, or using a shooting range for the shooting of firearms shall be subject to any action for civil or criminal liability, damages, abatement, or injunctive relief resulting from or relating to noise generated by the operation of the range if the range remains in compliance with noise control or nuisance abatement administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances applicable to the range on the date on which it commenced operation.

(3) No administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances relating to noise control, noise pollution, or noise abatement adopted or enacted by a unit of government shall be applied retroactively to prohibit conduct at a shooting range, which conduct was lawful and being engaged in prior to the adoption or enactment of the administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances.

Posted: 4/1/2022 1:20:30 PM EDT

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I'm terrible at reading laws but this appears to protect KCR

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/kentucky/

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Range Protection

No shooting range shall be or shall become a nuisance, either public or private, solely as a result of changed conditions in or around the locality of the range if the range has been in operation for one (1) year...

KY. REV. STAT. § 237.210 Effect of changed conditions on nuisance actions involving shooting ranges; standing to sue; limitation of liability; prohibition against retroactive application of laws

(1) No shooting range shall be or shall become a nuisance, either public or private, solely as a result of changed conditions in or around the locality of the range if the range has been in operation for one (1) year since the date on which it commenced operation as a shooting range. Subsequent physical expansion of the range or expansion of the types of firearms in use at the range shall not establish a new date of commencement of operations for purposes of this section unless the change triples the amount of the noise produced by the shooting range. The increase in the noise level at the shooting range shall be measured by an independent testing agency or a unit of government and shall compare the highest noise levels during any one (1) month during which the range is in full operation with a subsequent month in which the range is in full operation and conducting a comparable level of shooting activities. Only a person who lives adjacent to the shooting range shall have standing to bring an action under this section.

(2) No shooting range or unit of government or person owning, operating, or using a shooting range for the shooting of firearms shall be subject to any action for civil or criminal liability, damages, abatement, or injunctive relief resulting from or relating to noise generated by the operation of the range if the range remains in compliance with noise control or nuisance abatement administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances applicable to the range on the date on which it commenced operation.

(3) No administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances relating to noise control, noise pollution, or noise abatement adopted or enacted by a unit of government shall be applied retroactively to prohibit conduct at a shooting range, which conduct was lawful and being engaged in prior to the adoption or enactment of the administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances.

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I'd say you read that one pretty well.

Posted: 4/1/2022 3:25:17 PM EDT

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I'm terrible at reading laws but this appears to protect KCR

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/kentucky/

Click To View Spoiler

Range Protection

No shooting range shall be or shall become a nuisance, either public or private, solely as a result of changed conditions in or around the locality of the range if the range has been in operation for one (1) year...

KY. REV. STAT. § 237.210 Effect of changed conditions on nuisance actions involving shooting ranges; standing to sue; limitation of liability; prohibition against retroactive application of laws

(1) No shooting range shall be or shall become a nuisance, either public or private, solely as a result of changed conditions in or around the locality of the range if the range has been in operation for one (1) year since the date on which it commenced operation as a shooting range. Subsequent physical expansion of the range or expansion of the types of firearms in use at the range shall not establish a new date of commencement of operations for purposes of this section unless the change triples the amount of the noise produced by the shooting range. The increase in the noise level at the shooting range shall be measured by an independent testing agency or a unit of government and shall compare the highest noise levels during any one (1) month during which the range is in full operation with a subsequent month in which the range is in full operation and conducting a comparable level of shooting activities. Only a person who lives adjacent to the shooting range shall have standing to bring an action under this section.

(2) No shooting range or unit of government or person owning, operating, or using a shooting range for the shooting of firearms shall be subject to any action for civil or criminal liability, damages, abatement, or injunctive relief resulting from or relating to noise generated by the operation of the range if the range remains in compliance with noise control or nuisance abatement administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances applicable to the range on the date on which it commenced operation.

(3) No administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances relating to noise control, noise pollution, or noise abatement adopted or enacted by a unit of government shall be applied retroactively to prohibit conduct at a shooting range, which conduct was lawful and being engaged in prior to the adoption or enactment of the administrative regulations, statutes, or ordinances.

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We all know how laws can be legally broken.

Posted: 4/1/2022 8:45:30 PM EDT

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Double tap

Posted: 4/16/2022 9:16:18 PM EDT

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I was thinking more along the lines of some housing developments that might spring up around the range
and then the residents would start bitching about the
noise.

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Read a topographic map. There's very little flat ground to build on that isn't an unacceptable flood risk.

Posted: 4/17/2022 7:55:59 AM EDT

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Read a topographic map. There's very little flat ground to build on that isn't an unacceptable flood risk.

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Man can move mountains, if there is enough money involved.
I never take things being "safe" for granted anymore.

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