I'm going tomorrow.  ByteTheBullet, would you be interested in driving if I throw in some money for gas?

Quoted: Monday, September 13th.  That's when bookhound and I are heading out to CE.  We should be there somewhere between 11-12, depending on where we eat breakfast and how long that takes.  The ban ends at the stroke of midnight tonight.  There are 365 days in a year, if the ban was enacted on Sept 13, 1994 for 10 years.  That would be 3650 days afterwards.  Mark the days off on a calender if you're that paranoid about it and you'll see that today(sunday) is the last day.  If it ended on Sept 14th then that would be 366 days not 365.

You forgot leap years, and that based on the Earth's revolution, a year is approximately 365.24 days.  

Quoted: Quoted: Monday, September 13th.  That's when bookhound and I are heading out to CE.  We should be there somewhere between 11-12, depending on where we eat breakfast and how long that takes.  The ban ends at the stroke of midnight tonight.  There are 365 days in a year, if the ban was enacted on Sept 13, 1994 for 10 years.  That would be 3650 days afterwards.  Mark the days off on a calender if you're that paranoid about it and you'll see that today(sunday) is the last day.  If it ended on Sept 14th then that would be 366 days not 365. You forgot leap years, and that based on the Earth's revolution, a year is approximately 365.24 days.

Does that mean we have to wait until Wednesday?  

Quoted: I'm going tomorrow.  ByteTheBullet, would you be interested in driving if I throw in some money for gas?

I still gotta decide if I am gonna blow off work completely or go in for a couple hours. Once we get a consensus on which day I will know what I am gonna do.

What are the chances that there will be some hOOters involved?!? Sorry, it was my duty to ask.


ByteTheBullet  (-:

Quoted: Quoted: I'm going tomorrow.  ByteTheBullet, would you be interested in driving if I throw in some money for gas? I still gotta decide if I am gonna blow off work completely or go in for a couple hours. Once we get a consensus on which day I will know what I am gonna do. What are the chances that there will be some hOOters involved?!? Sorry, it was my duty to ask. ByteTheBullet  (-:

Works for me.

Alright , 11:00AM sounds like the time I will get there. WD

CE Shooting benches at 1100hrs.



Cracka Barrel at 0900 hrs?



definetly in for Hooters afterwards.

As Delta suggested, anyone up for CB at 9:00?

Food and guns, food and guns, it is the same thing with you guys...Does hOOters serve breakfast?!?


ByteTheBullet  (-:

Quoted: Food and guns, food and guns, it is the same thing with you guys...Does hOOters serve breakfast?!? ByteTheBullet  (-:

I've had h(.)(.)ters for breakfast.

Are you sure about monday?
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Here's the actual language of the law.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi...=Cite:+18USC924

Effective and Termination Dates of 1994 Amendment

Amendment by sections 110102(c) and 110103(c) of Pub. L. 103-322 repealed 10 years ***after Sept. 13, 1994***, see section 110105(2) of Pub. L.
103-322, set out as a note under section 921 of this title.
Section 330011(i) of Pub. L. 103-322 provided that the amendment made by that section is effective as of the date on which section 3528 of Pub. L. 101-647 took effect.
Section 330011(j) of Pub. L. 103-322 provided that the amendment made by that section is effective as of the date on which section 3527 of Pub. L. 101-647 took effect.

This clearly shows that the ban sunsets at MIDNIGHT on Sept 13th 2004. At one second into Sept 14th the ban doesn't exist.

It's not Sunday at midnight, it's MONDAY at MIDNIGHT. Tuesday morning the ban no longer exists.
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Okay, since everyone seems to get worked up over this issue, I tell you what I'm going to do: I'm going to shave off another half day. That's right, since you are all nice people, I'm going to show you that the ban expires 12 hours before you think it does. How can I do this, you ask?

Look at the definition in Merriam Webster of "year" (as a unit of time):

1 a : the period of about 365 1/4 solar days required for one revolution of the earth around the sun b : the time required for the apparent sun to return to an arbitrary fixed or moving reference point in the sky c : the time in which a planet completes a revolution about the sun <a year of Jupiter>
2 a : a cycle in the Gregorian calendar of 365 or 366 days divided into 12 months beginning with January and ending with December b : a period of time equal to one year of the Gregorian calendar but beginning at a different time.

If you take the definition of 1(a), you might notice that 10 years would be defined as 3652.5 days. However, since we've had 3 leap year days since sept 13 1994, we'll have traversed 365*10 + 3 days, or 3653 days between 12:00am Sept 13 1994 and 12:00am Sept 13 2004. So 10 years actually ends a half-day before we think it does, either Sunday at noon, or Monday at noon (depending where you lie on the argument which originated this thread).

(Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and the above reasoning is probably false in some legal sense. I imagine legal documents assume a definition closer to 2 (a) stated above. Any lawyers out there??)

A calendar year runs from 12:00 am Jan. 1st through 11:59:59 pm Dec. 31st.  The first calendar year of the ban ran from 12:00 am Sept. 13th, 1994 through 11:59:59 pm Sept. 12th, 1995.  Do that ten times and we've got a shoot on Monday.  

Quoted: A calendar year runs from 12:00 am Jan. 1st through 11:59:59 pm Dec. 31st.  The first calendar year of the ban ran from 12:00 am Sept. 13th, 1994 through 11:59:59 pm Sept. 12th, 1995.  Do that ten times and we've got a shoot on Monday.

Soooo, the day before your 16th birthday you marched down to the DMV and they issued you your driver's license?  It was 16 years after the day you were born, right? You were 16 years old as of that day.

Nope, monday you show with an assualt weapon, you are committing a Felony offense.

It expires the day after its "birthday".  It was not signed into law at 0001 hrs on the 13th, and it did not become effective untill 0001 hrs on 9/14/94.

BTW Blacks law dictionary is the correct reference, the webster's just confuses things.

I will not get into a debate here, I am a masterdebater, but the GD seems to agree that it ends tonite at midnight...wonder what they would say...


ByteTheBullet  (-:

Seriously, the NRA is saying 0001hrs on the 14th.

Quoted: Soooo, the day before your 16th birthday you marched down to the DMV and they issued you your driver's license?  It was 16 years after the day you were born, right? You were 16 years old as of that day.

I was born April 20th, 1968.  At 12:00 am on April 20th, 1984, I turned 16 regardless of what time I was born.  I got my driver's license that day.  The AWB was "born" on September 13th, 1994.  It will sunset 10 years after the date of enactment .  At 12:00 am on September 13th, the ban is dead.

It expires the day after its "birthday".  It was not signed into law at 0001 hrs on the 13th, and it did not become effective untill 0001 hrs on 9/14/94.

Incorrect...it was enacted on the 13th and enforcement began on the 14th.  The law states that it will die 10 years after it's enactment date not it's enforcement date.

BTW, a day starts at 00:00 not 00:01.

Quoted: SOMEONE SET A FRICKIN DATE ALREADY!! I am comfortable with Monday. Lorraine has been nagging me ALL weekend and it is driving me crazy. ByteTheBullet  (-:

I repeat myself...


ByteTheBullet  (-:

I already got tomorrow off. Going to stop and shoot auto at the other range first then hit CE. If no one is going to CE please post cause I will stay at Trimble Bridge all day instead.

Quoted: I already got tomorrow off. Going to stop and shoot auto at the other range first then hit CE. If no one is going to CE please post cause I will stay at Trimble Bridge all day instead.

We're goin', my friend.  

Quoted: Yep, I'll be at CE for sure.  kblagg is riding with me.  We won't get there until sometime around 11:00 or 11:30 I guess.  Hooters is cool with me after shooting.  I'll have at least two "new" toys with me (if all goes well tonight).  I've got all my "parts" at my sister's house next door.  At midnight I'm walking next door to get everything.  I've already got four uppers ready to go with the barrels removed.  My loweers are waiting for new stocks.   Can't WAIT!

weiner.


ByteTheBullet  (-:

Damn, can't make it....during the week is hell on a JBT.

Hey, I got an idea.  How's about one of us calling Senator Chambliss or Miller's office tomorrow morning and thank them for the fine job...and ask if it is the official day of freedom and ask that they fax a statement saying so on their letterhead.  

Quoted: Hey, I got an idea.  How's about one of us calling Senator Chambliss or Miller's office tomorrow morning and thank them for the fine job...and ask if it is the official day of freedom and ask that they fax a statement saying so on their letterhead.

Don't be a wus, get in your abulance and come on over...remember, Mother, Jugs, and Speed!!!


ByteTheBullet  (-:

Punk, I'll be there like ugly on an ape.  I'm worried about you guys  Heck, the shoot just won't be as much fun if you guys are in jail  Besides, since no one is going to step up to the plate and thank our Senators, I will and I will ask for a letter saying that it expires at the stroke of midnight tonight

ETA: My boss will seriously kick my ass when she finds out I drove an ambulance to a homeland defense rifle shoot...

Me and the misses can't make it there.  But I am sure we will both have a drink to the end in one hour. You guys shoot up for us.

Quoted: ETA: My boss will seriously kick my ass when she finds out I drove an ambulance to a homeland defense rifle shoot...

Woowoo, she, huh?!?! Is she cute?


ByteTheBullet  (-:

Quoted: It expires in less than two hours!!! I just mixed a Captain Morgan and ginger ale.  We Were Soldiers is in the DVD player.  Life is GOOD! BTW, say a special prayer for those soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen fighting for our freedoms!  May God bless them all!     I will see you all tomorrow!

Prayers sent.


ByteTheBullet  (-:

One hour to go.

Quoted: Quoted: ETA: My boss will seriously kick my ass when she finds out I drove an ambulance to a homeland defense rifle shoot... Woowoo, she, huh?!?! Is she cute? ByteTheBullet  (-:

Well, I might be tempted to comment on this, but since my boss still holds the fine strings on my employment , I'll refrain from commenting.  

Quoted: Damn, can't make it....during the week is hell on a JBT.

  ...... Man Wish you could ...... Been a while. I'll pop a few rounds in your name & honor.....  Have fun at WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WarDawg

24 minutes.

AAAhhhhh  T minus 5 minutes to go to no-ban-ify my other upper, and I can't get the damn taper pins out of the farking FSB  Of all the stupid, froo froo bullhonkey!!!  I'm going to have to soak the buggers in PB Blaster and hope they come out tomorrow morning, or else its just me and the PWA tomorrow

midnight!

Dang,

There is a guy that just stopped at the corner and he is selling machine guns out of the trunk of his car, don't that beat all?

BAR's, Thompsons, M60's, WOOOHOOO!

Just checked, my street is NOT, I repeat NOT flowing with uzi's...DAMMIT!!!!!

ByteTheBullet  (-:

Just checked, my street is NOT, I repeat NOT flowing with uzi's...DAMMIT!!!!!

ByteTheBullet  (-:

Quoted: Just checked, my street is NOT, I repeat NOT flowing with uzi's...DAMMIT!!!!! ByteTheBullet  (-:

+1  

The bitch lied!

Doubletap!

The street gangs in Roswell haven't found the guy selling Uzis and MAC-10s yet...

Quoted: Just checked, my street is NOT, I repeat NOT flowing with uzi's...DAMMIT!!!!! ByteTheBullet  (-:

You want me to check my street for you?

I think this guy has a buy 1 get 1 free deal going till sunup.

I'm taking fire.  A gang of 18 year olds from DU are assaulting my house with AK-47's and UZI's.  Request fire support...

Quoted: I'm taking fire.  A gang of 18 year olds from DU are assaulting my house with AK-47's and UZI's.  Request fire support...

I just got a smokin deal on a 105MM, less than 100 rounds fired since new!

Give me range and bearing, and I will fire a round.  A little bracket and halving, and we got them.

See you guys tomorrow at CE!!!


ByteTheBullet  (-:

OK, what time are we meeting at CE?  Amidst all this festivity, we are going to miss each other if we don't set a time and it'll be a huge clusterf###!

How's 11:30am sounding?  LarryG, enough sleep for ya?

Straight from the atf website...

Semiautomatic Assault Weapon Update
By statute, the prohibitions relating to semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices expired on September 13, 2004. As a result, certain sections of the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, and its implementing regulations, 27 CFR Part 478, are no longer in effect.


Hmmmm. I WILL NOT say I told you so because I never said so, let's just all enjoy it!!!

Now I am going to bed. Sweet dreams fellow babies!!!


ByteTheBullet  (-:

I printed that document off of the ATF's website, just for reference at CE in case the JBT try to say something, better to have proof of it than just words alone.  Time to do some last minute configuration changes, see you guys in the morning.

Printed it too!  Hopefully, I can get the taper pins out of my FSB in the morning, otherwise...