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Posted: 4/29/2015 10:43:26 PM EDT
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In the end..... You're left with a pistol AR. So who cares
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Posted: 4/29/2015 11:05:33 PM EDT
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In the end..... You're left with a pistol AR. So who cares Well if your going to go illegal, why not go machine gun? |
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Posted: 4/29/2015 11:15:54 PM EDT
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Well if your going to go illegal, why not go machine gun? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In the end..... You're left with a pistol AR. So who cares Well if your going to go illegal, why not go machine gun? Oh no I meant like SBR > pistol type "who cares" Also a major difference between flat out MG and a technicality on what order the receiver was made/built or what ever. Takes a lot more to figure that out than if something is an MG. There is also the 2nd part of where would you use it, I had a friend in Yuma who made a few MGs in his garage. I was all about it at first, then learned more and didn't want to go shooting with him. Only takes a fender bender or traffic stop to get caught with them, let alone someone asking questions when you're blasting away in the desert. The novelty way off quick too and they didn't amuse me much after a bit. |
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Posted: 4/29/2015 11:46:55 PM EDT
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Oh no I meant like SBR > pistol type "who cares" Also a major difference between flat out MG and a technicality on what order the receiver was made/built or what ever. Takes a lot more to figure that out than if something is an MG. There is also the 2nd part of where would you use it, I had a friend in Yuma who made a few MGs in his garage. I was all about it at first, then learned more and didn't want to go shooting with him. Only takes a fender bender or traffic stop to get caught with them, let alone someone asking questions when you're blasting away in the desert. The novelty way off quick too and they didn't amuse me much after a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In the end..... You're left with a pistol AR. So who cares Well if your going to go illegal, why not go machine gun? Oh no I meant like SBR > pistol type "who cares" Also a major difference between flat out MG and a technicality on what order the receiver was made/built or what ever. Takes a lot more to figure that out than if something is an MG. There is also the 2nd part of where would you use it, I had a friend in Yuma who made a few MGs in his garage. I was all about it at first, then learned more and didn't want to go shooting with him. Only takes a fender bender or traffic stop to get caught with them, let alone someone asking questions when you're blasting away in the desert. The novelty way off quick too and they didn't amuse me much after a bit. Same reasoning could be applied to the pistol- all it takes for a Leo is a phone call to ATF and he can find out how it's been registered in the past- ATF won't tell us but they will tell the Leo ... And then the owner could be facing a felony- chances of this happening may be slim but I wouldn't risk it! |
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Posted: 4/29/2015 11:55:54 PM EDT
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What's being registered?
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Posted: 4/30/2015 6:42:45 AM EDT
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Barrel installation does not make it a rifle, the installation of a stock makes it a rifle as per ATFs dfinition of what a rifle is. This wouldn't be the first time that they did that. For example, despite the use of the term firearm in the federal assault weapons ban, ATF interpreted the preban exmeption to only include to assembled firearms configured as assault weapons on/before 13SEP1994. 18 U.S.C. § 921 (a)(7) And 27 CFR § 478.11 Rifle The term "RIFLE" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. If a stock has been installed its a rifle Pistol can have any length barrel.. So installing a barrel on a Virgin receiver would not change anything about receiver Once a stock has been installed, it's a rifle and can't be made into pistol without nfa Pistol can be made from receiver that has never had a stock Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But what if you bought said lower without a stock on it but only pistol grip?? How are you supposed to know it had a rifle stock or pistol tube on it 
 ATF has interpreted complete lowers (lower with buttstock) to be configurable as a pistol without being an SBR, as long it was not previously built as a rifle (i.e. was not equipped with a barrel). 18 U.S.C. § 921 (a)(7) And 27 CFR § 478.11 Rifle The term "RIFLE" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. If a stock has been installed its a rifle Pistol can have any length barrel.. So installing a barrel on a Virgin receiver would not change anything about receiver Once a stock has been installed, it's a rifle and can't be made into pistol without nfa Pistol can be made from receiver that has never had a stock ATF interprets uses an assembly interpretation of a rifle. Here is a letter they wrote to somebody (not me) on the topic of using (originally) stocked complete lowers to build pistols. This would not be the first time that ATF interpreted the term firearm to reflect an assembly rather than simply a receiver. For example, during the 1994-2004 ban years, ATF interpreted the preban exemption to only include complete firearms (either in assembled or knockdown form) configured as assault weapons on or before 13 SEP 1994. http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m446/bdsmchs/ARpistolreceiverletter-page1-web.jpg http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m446/bdsmchs/ARpistolreceiverletter-page2-web.jpg Even though receivers that would be take-offs from complete rifles would also transfer as others, those would NOT be able to be rebuilt as pistol-type firearms without being registered as SBRs. |
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