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Thanks for the thoughtful replies and for satisfying my curiosities Strat, Sars, and all.
I remain a little skeptical. The scope of 'what ifs' seems a bit narrow, for where a malitia may actually be successful or serve a promising outcome to the common people in various SHTF scenarios. On the other hand, the outlined principles seem wholesome and quite worthy in my opinion, and there are also plenty of SHTF scenarios where they'd be an asset to anyone and everyone..... lets hope we don't ever find out either way. Thanks again. And if you ever have some sort of 'open house', I'd like to see it. |
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Indeed. Thanks for your replies. |
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Im out here in KY (15FF). Because we use national militia standards strat or one of "his" guys can come out here and easily be intagrated into the group. Same the other way around.
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MacLean, I assume you are a LEO, is that correct? You seem to be a pretty reasonable guy so let me ask you this hypothetical question. In Strat's reply he stated "you assume that no one on the opposing team is on our side." So here's my question: What would you do as a police officer if the shit hit the fan and you were given orders to round up insurgents (law abiding gun owners) and you were also given orders to provide backup support for ATF agents as they went into neighborhoods kicking in doors and taking guns? I have to assume that there would be some cops who wouldn't want to play that game and they would be working on the inside to foil the plans of those who would be trying to disarm us. What would you personally do? You don't have to answer me on this thread but I'm asking you the question to promote some thought on your part. Like Strat said, you can not assume that everyone on the other side is really on the other side. |
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I had been tempted to ask a simular question of MacLean or other LEOs here hoping to get an answer. But this summed it up. |
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There are too many variables to answer that question as posed. Gun owners are not insurgents until they attempt insurgency, no? I was a gun owner long before LEO, and will be a gun owner long after. I have no plans to ever be an insurgent. You'd have to give a much clearer example to get an answer to that question, and a much clearer example to really believe that everyone on the "other side" isn't. As for all the anti-armor stuff - they taught us anti-armor, and I am aware of the usual vulnerabilities. I'm not sure why anyone thinks they would be facing tanks, but it was a neat distraction. |
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It is unlikely that we would ever face MBTs, but LAVs, IFVs and APCs are a significant threat.
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Really? What sort of scenario do you see this happening in? |
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Armor is not unknown to governments. In virtually every insurgency around the world, governments have used armored vehicles to protect it's forces.
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Can't answer for SARS but my contacts tell me to prepare for light armor combined forces with CAS. |
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With a Mark19 on top they are, and the U.S. is way behind the comblock in that department. |
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Your "non-answer" speaks volumes. The question was very straight forward. Nothing ambigiuos about it. When the shit hits the fan and the government tries to dis-arm law abiding citizens who have become criminals by the stroke of a pen from a politician, what are you personally going to do? You can not serve 2 masters. You either serve the police or you serve the people in that situation. I think the recent gun grab in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina shows that this scenareo isn't too far fetched for you to consider. |
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Like many of us, I'll postpose declaring hostilities until such time as I must do otherwise. I am encouraged that Maclean is here sharing his experiences and perspective with us. I am disinclined to count him amongst the gun-grabbing "uber-progressive" control freaks. Quite the contrary, actually. Oh, and... |
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+1 |
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"Here little kid little kid, we're your friends. We SWEAR we won't burn you alive!"
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The picture of the APC driving thru the big puddle of water caught my eye. At first glance it looked like Strat was topside in that thing!
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You're in a heap a trouble boy |
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Well, was it you? |
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Well, it does look good on him.... |
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If I was easy to kill, I'd already be dead. ETA: Then again, maybe I just ain't worth a bullet. |
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No BDU's, no LBV, no assault rifle. About the only thing he has in common is the mustache Strat would be traveling much faster too. |
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The hat too. Ignore the badge and LE markings and it could be him. Strat would definitely have that thing maxed out speed-wise.
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I been known to get bulldozers airborne, betcha I could make that thing fly. |
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The one that had the guy that looked similar to strat? |
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Yup |
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I'm locked out of the site, save them all. And e-mail them to me please! [email protected] |
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Those belong to a brand new family of vehicles that I saw listed in the Jane's advertising index. They range from a 4X4 drive, up to a 10X10 drive, APC as well as an 8x8 expandable height flatbed truck. They swim and offer NBC over-pressure protection.
The fact that they secured their website an hour after I linked the pictures tells me that our government is spending some big bucks and they don't want to share with us yet. The vehicles are making the rounds at LEO and military trade shows. I love the 10X10. Talk about an All Terrain RV! I don't think you drive it anywhere, you just park it between your location and your destination, walk through the vehicle, and you're there. |
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So you ready for a Rifle Qualification Course ? |
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Hello,everyone
I read this whole post,and thought I should explain what I see the militia as. Im in Kentucky and am part of the militia,as everyone of you are.These are only my thoughts on the subject,and do not represent anyone but me. I could quote here,but they would not be my words so I will not quote anything in this post,but most of what I will say has been said by better minds and nimbler tounges. We are all Militia,under the law anyone 18 or older is,it is your duty it is the job of every true lover of freedom and this country.The only thing the militia is,is the people protecting themselves and there comunitys on a grass roots level.There are many people that are ACTIVE in training,that have differnet political and religous belifes.(Sorry for spelling,like I said Kentucky...LOL)My only goal when I decided to take a active part in the militia,was to insure that my comunity and my freedoms were protected.The militia is the foundation of freedom,It is where freedom starts.It is the right to self protection and mutual protection from any foe.It dose not care what happens in government,it dose not care what name you call god,it only cares about freedom and safty and makeing sure that the people have the power to insure and provide for ther own safty. There there is the other part that somehow always gets mixed in. Do you feel that the current government and current laws are infringing on the only two thing the militia is about,freedom and safty?I personaly do feel that they are infriging or our freedom and safty.That is only the way I see it,yes many in the militia see it the same way.I alone dont represent the militia,I only speak for my self.Any action taken would be for the soul porpuse of protecting my comunity from those who would do her harm.I dont care if its ATF,FBI,CHINA,or who ever eles.I fight for no man under no banner,I fight for what i know is right. This post dose support my belife that we have an out of control governmet that in very few way is here to protect the people.Look at what the word militia has become,the media paints us all as anti governmet racist with a hidden agenda.I am NOT anti governmet,Im pro FREEDOM.It this governmet is against freedom,then Im against this government. Thats all i got to say. Forgive me If I ruffled any feather. |
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