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Link Posted: 3/3/2021 12:53:31 PM EDT
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That's the reports out of Houston; total available beds for Covid being reduced so the % occupied remains elevated.  Why would hospitals *necessarily* fight this, given tremendous political pressure by one of their biggest customers and most powerful overseers?
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I think your confusing something.  The only way the officials could monkey with something to elevate the number to allow them to override what the governor  said would be to eliminate licensed beds.  This Would require each hospital to adjust their license with the state and the state to process that change.  That can’t be done by a local judge.   Now what you will see is the local officials trying to play games with how they will run a press conference and try to make the unofficial numbers look high by saying COVID units are at max capacity without stating that the local facilities chose to reduce the beds that are  linked to their COVID units because of a low census.   When ever you see numbers you need to look at total overall bed count not COVID unit bed count as that is what matters with what the governor ordered.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 1:26:50 PM EDT
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I think your confusing something.  The only way the officials could monkey with something to elevate the number to allow them to override what the governor  said would be to eliminate licensed beds.  This Would require each hospital to adjust their license with the state and the state to process that change.  That can’t be done by a local judge.   Now what you will see is the local officials trying to play games with how they will run a press conference and try to make the unofficial numbers look high by saying COVID units are at max capacity without stating that the local facilities chose to reduce the beds that are  linked to their COVID units because of a low census.   When ever you see numbers you need to look at total overall bed count not COVID unit bed count as that is what matters with what the governor ordered.
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I heard Clay Jenkins from Dallas was going to pull this, and then he found he could not. Bit of egg on his face, someone in his office does not like him.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 1:30:12 PM EDT
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I heard Clay Jenkins from Dallas was going to pull this, and then he found he could not. Bit of egg on his face, someone in his office does not like him.
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Most likely one of his staffers told him that he was showing he is a idiot and has no clue what he is talking about so he needed to stop saying that before everyone stops believing him.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 3:55:47 PM EDT
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And a goodly portion has contracted & recovered from the virus, which is the same thing as far as contagiousness.

We're done.  It's over.
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From MIT  https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/12/can-someone-who-recovered-spread-COVID19

From what we know of other viruses, most experts think it’s likely that most people who recover from COVID-19 have some level of immunity for some period of time. But we don’t know how much immunity they have or how long it lasts. A recent study of a different type of coronavirus, the common cold, found that people were often reinfected within 12 months.

So Far, of 29 Million Texas, Only about 3.2 million Texans have received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine, or 11.6% of the state, according to state health data.

and of 29 Million Texas only about 1.5 million Texans are fully vaccinated (only 5.17%)

I'd love for COVID to be nothing more than a bad memory in the rear view mirror of life and for a return to life as it was PRE-COVID.  

But I think that Governor Abbott has pulled the 'gear up' handle too early before we are at V2 / VLO (Lift off speed) in our recovery.

I hope I'm wrong and that people will continue to protect themselves & others until widespread immunization produces sufficient critical mass for "herd immunity" to finally take hold (about 80% of the Population) but I think the "Happy Thoughts will Somehow Magically Become Reality" may be a tad bit ...   ...    ...  premature.

I was in a major Hospital today this morning.  EVERY single Doctor or Nurse I spoke with said (politely or not so politely) that it was not Medically prudent because vaccination has just begun, not just completed.


Sadly I think we are still far from "done" enough to declare 'Victory' and put up the banners.



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Link Posted: 3/3/2021 4:40:34 PM EDT
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From MIT  https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/12/can-someone-who-recovered-spread-COVID19

From what we know of other viruses, most experts think it’s likely that most people who recover from COVID-19 have some level of immunity for some period of time. But we don’t know how much immunity they have or how long it lasts. A recent study of a different type of coronavirus, the common cold, found that people were often reinfected within 12 months.

So Far, of 29 Million Texas, Only about 3.2 million Texans have received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine, or 11.6% of the state, according to state health data.

and of 29 Million Texas only about 1.5 million Texans are fully vaccinated (only 5.17%)

I'd love for COVID to be nothing more than a bad memory in the rear view mirror of life and for a return to life as it was PRE-COVID.  

But I think that Governor Abbott has pulled the 'gear up' too handle early before we are at V2 / VLO (Lift off speed) in our recovery.

I hope I'm wrong and that people will continue to protect themselves & others until widespread immunization produces sufficient critical mass for "herd immunity" to finally take hold (about 80% of the Population) but I think the "Happy Thoughts will Somehow Magically Become Reality" may be a tad bit ...   ...    ...  premature.

I was in a major Hospital today this morning.  EVERY single Doctor or Nurse I spoke with said (politely or not so politely) that it was not Medically prudent because vaccination has just begun, not just completed.


Sadly I think we are still far from "done" enough to declare 'Victory' and put up the banners.

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Your still going to see a large amount of business requiring mask. Some are going to require it because of political leanings and some will be doing it because they are afraid of lawsuits.   Hopefully this will allow a real discussion on saying if it’s “ok to not wear a mask” if you have been vaccinated..  So far all you get is some strange crap of how it’s not been studied and it’s to dangerous to risk not doing it.  To be honest it looks like it’s easier for the “experts” to say you should continue to use a mask and not see grandma because it’s to hard to identify who has immunity and who does not.  You also have the issue where some bureaucrats get off on the power trip and don’t consider anything but infection numbers.  In a few years it’s going to be depressing when I get to study the numbers after everything is added up and we get to see how most everything this past year was done incorrectly and devoid of medical science.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 6:00:33 PM EDT
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Some people will never be happy and want the rest of the world to suffer instead of being responsibl for themselves.  Same people that want everyone to hide in their homes until covid ceases to exist.

Listening to the Austin talk radio this afternoon, a caller kept going on about how Abbot was bending the knee to Trump and it's not safe.  I guess he didn't hear that Trump isn't in office? Then his reasoning against Abbott was that hospitals can't handle 15% occupancy.  WTF?  They finally asked him what his plan would be and after stumbling awhile he finally said we need to open gradually with 25, then 50, and then 75%  occupancy.  Um, we've been doing that for the last year here in TX!

I do agree with some discussion that it would have been better for a higher vaccination rate before pulling back all restrictions.  And I have a feeling doing this right before spring break is going to result in an increases in cases that will be used against Abbott in a few weeks.
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 9:29:44 PM EDT
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Have no idea what she had.  What did her labs say? How was the test run knowing she had a vaccine?  How long after her second dose did she become sick?  What vaccine did she get?  

The jokes usually on people that don’t understand correlation, causation,  Anecdotes or how medicine works.

But hey I know a guy that died in a car wreck after he drank a coke.  Maybe that not driving while drunk is a dumb law as he died anyways.
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I don't know what vaccine she had or the exact day she got sick. She just said she got sick with confirmed covid tests post vaccine.

My whole comment came from someone saying that if I get sick from covid my insurance should cover anything. How can that be true when people who got the shot are still getting covid. Should insurance not cover them because their body didn't take the vaccine right?
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 9:33:56 PM EDT
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Meanwhile, my dad;
-Felt funny for a day, he thinks
-Had a biopsy for a possible skull tumor causing severe headaches delayed for a month because he tested positive for the illness he had apparently caught a month earlier
-Got bumped up on the vaccine priority list *because* he had recovered from Covid (tell me that makes any sense at all) and was told he had to get it to receive medical care
-Had an ENT do an 'off the books/after hours' examination in violation of normal protocols because he was afraid my dad could be dying during all these delays (thankfully some non-invasive intervention seems to have helped him recover on his own, so far, turns out it was a serious infection & he's slowly beating it)
-Got the first shot, felt funny
-Got the second shot, laid the fuck out for three days, still sore/tired a week later
-Finally scheduled for biopsy surgery in several weeks, but maybe not since he got lucky & the serious infection appears to be waning.

So basically he was denied medical care for a serious condition for no reason, and given a vaccine in short supply/extreme demand for no reason, and was lucky enough to pull through on his own strength in the end.  Oh, and nothing but Tylenol for his severe migraines all the while, becuz war on opiates (nevermind it's fucking rough on an older man's liver)

And this is a fairly wealthy man with good health insurance, mind you.

We're diving headlong into the insane inefficiency and waste of a tyrannical socialist system, and the fucking Doomers are cheering how much their hair is being blown back by the ride.

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My uncle needed double bypass like yesterday but tested positive and had to wait 10 days before his surgery. Meanwhile wasn't able to leave the hospital because he could die at any minute from a heart attack.

Felt completely fine other than you know the whole mild cardiac arrest thing...
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 9:40:50 PM EDT
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My uncle needed double bypass like yesterday but tested positive and had to wait 10 days before his surgery. Meanwhile wasn't able to leave the hospital because he could die at any minute from a heart attack.

Felt completely fine other than you know the whole mild cardiac arrest thing...
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This is what a large amount of people in the medical field are complaining about.  Delayed medical care.  

They place a ballon pump while he is waiting to help him out?  Or just being monitored?

I wish him the best
Link Posted: 3/3/2021 10:23:30 PM EDT
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This is what a large amount of people in the medical field are complaining about.  Delayed medical care.  

They place a ballon pump while he is waiting to help him out?  Or just being monitored?

I wish him the best
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He had the surgery 2 days before the snow hit and Tyler medical district lost water to the boilers. He is doing fine now but the post surgery in a hospital that had no power, no water, it was rough.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 1:14:35 AM EDT
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He had the surgery 2 days before the snow hit and Tyler medical district lost water to the boilers. He is doing fine now but the post surgery in a hospital that had no power, no water, it was rough.
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That is bad to hear, but don’t the hospitals in Texas have large generator sets that can power the hospital for days?
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 2:12:08 AM EDT
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That is bad to hear, but don’t the hospitals in Texas have large generator sets that can power the hospital for days?
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Yes but it it’s normally only partial circuits plus the lack of water takes down havc along with all other uses for water.

OR rooms are normally designated to be on gen power but they sometimes are afraid to do anything outside of emergency cases that can’t wait when on backup power.  I can tell you it’s nerve wrecking being in a OR when the power goes out while waiting for the generator to kick in.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 8:06:06 AM EDT
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That is bad to hear, but don’t the hospitals in Texas have large generator sets that can power the hospital for days?
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I think they had on/off power but no water and no heat. The heat comes from boilers.

I just remember my aunt saying something about they have no way to get food and wad down to one meal a day for my uncle, it was very very cold inside the hospital, and they were having power flickers for several days.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 1:25:24 PM EDT
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Here's my question... The EO changes almost nothing regarding masks except local jurisdictions are not allowed to implement their own mask mandates. However, businesses can still do what they want (fine by me) and schools are still allowed to require masks. This is the one that bothers me. How are school districts and/or the TEA (Texas Education Agency) not considered "jurisdictions" as defined in the EO? TEA is a .gov entity and should be handled the same as any other local government agency as defined in the EO! Anyone have any direct insight into this part?
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 4:12:29 PM EDT
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Here's my question... The EO changes almost nothing regarding masks except local jurisdictions are not allowed to implement their own mask mandates. However, businesses can still do what they want (fine by me) and schools are still allowed to require masks. This is the one that bothers me. How are school districts and/or the TEA (Texas Education Agency) not considered "jurisdictions" as defined in the EO? TEA is a .gov entity and should be handled the same as any other local government agency as defined in the EO! Anyone have any direct insight into this part?
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My wife who is a teacher said the letter from TEA basically said it is up to the local school board.

My wife's school has not been shut down, doesnt report beer flu numbers, doesnt send an entire class home because one kid has it nor sends the kids home that are "contact traced" to that kid either.

If they followed every rule they would be doing remote learning for damn near the whole school. High school had a 60% failure rate the first 9 weeks and elementary had a 100% pass rate.

A kid in my wifes class was getting 100s on all her homework assignments except the one where she had to upload a video of her reading a passage to the teacher. The kid couldnt even read or write her name but was making 100s on everything....parents were doing the work for her.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 4:53:32 PM EDT
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I think they had on/off power but no water and no heat. The heat comes from boilers.

I just remember my aunt saying something about they have no way to get food and wad down to one meal a day for my uncle, it was very very cold inside the hospital, and they were having power flickers for several days.
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That is bad to hear, but don’t the hospitals in Texas have large generator sets that can power the hospital for days?


I think they had on/off power but no water and no heat. The heat comes from boilers.

I just remember my aunt saying something about they have no way to get food and wad down to one meal a day for my uncle, it was very very cold inside the hospital, and they were having power flickers for several days.


The storm was really a once in a hundred years storm, staying below freezing for over a week instead of the normal 24-36 hours we get once or twice a year.
I was at the Capitol this morning and heard the new head of the PUC get a grilling on his first full day on the job. It sounds like people found the flaws that caused the black outs and the cut back on natural gas.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 6:04:03 PM EDT
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I think they had on/off power but no water and no heat. The heat comes from boilers.

I just remember my aunt saying something about they have no way to get food and wad down to one meal a day for my uncle, it was very very cold inside the hospital, and they were having power flickers for several days.
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That is bad to hear, but don’t the hospitals in Texas have large generator sets that can power the hospital for days?


I think they had on/off power but no water and no heat. The heat comes from boilers.

I just remember my aunt saying something about they have no way to get food and wad down to one meal a day for my uncle, it was very very cold inside the hospital, and they were having power flickers for several days.

Sounds downright Soviet, dah?
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 6:05:34 PM EDT
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My wife who is a teacher said the letter from TEA basically said it is up to the local school board.

My wife's school has not been shut down, doesnt report beer flu numbers, doesnt send an entire class home because one kid has it nor sends the kids home that are "contact traced" to that kid either.

If they followed every rule they would be doing remote learning for damn near the whole school. High school had a 60% failure rate the first 9 weeks and elementary had a 100% pass rate.

A kid in my wifes class was getting 100s on all her homework assignments except the one where she had to upload a video of her reading a passage to the teacher. The kid couldnt even read or write her name but was making 100s on everything....parents were doing the work for her.
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Here's my question... The EO changes almost nothing regarding masks except local jurisdictions are not allowed to implement their own mask mandates. However, businesses can still do what they want (fine by me) and schools are still allowed to require masks. This is the one that bothers me. How are school districts and/or the TEA (Texas Education Agency) not considered "jurisdictions" as defined in the EO? TEA is a .gov entity and should be handled the same as any other local government agency as defined in the EO! Anyone have any direct insight into this part?


My wife who is a teacher said the letter from TEA basically said it is up to the local school board.

My wife's school has not been shut down, doesnt report beer flu numbers, doesnt send an entire class home because one kid has it nor sends the kids home that are "contact traced" to that kid either.

If they followed every rule they would be doing remote learning for damn near the whole school. High school had a 60% failure rate the first 9 weeks and elementary had a 100% pass rate.

A kid in my wifes class was getting 100s on all her homework assignments except the one where she had to upload a video of her reading a passage to the teacher. The kid couldnt even read or write her name but was making 100s on everything....parents were doing the work for her.

Were the parents given detention?
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 8:23:44 PM EDT
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Local school district here has been doing in person and home learning all year.  They are trying to decide what to do going forward with the governor's changes.  They sent parent surveys out last two days asking what parents would do if they made masks optional.

I suspect spring break will be a mess, but we'll see.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 8:38:56 PM EDT
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Were the parents given detention?
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They got some nicely worded letters from the principle about asking how their kids were failing.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 11:50:16 PM EDT
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That is bad to hear, but don’t the hospitals in Texas have large generator sets that can power the hospital for days?
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Generally true, but without Potable Water, a Hospital quickly grinds to a halt.

A Hospital use water from steam to sterilize instruments, wash laundry, wash hands, prepare food, wash patients & for staff to clean up on long shifts, of course to drink and on and on and on, not to mention the boilers that heat the building in the winter ...

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