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Posted: 3/8/2023 1:32:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just saw the fuckers passed it. Fuck those slimes, we need to split from those communist fucks. It's still showing as having its amendments debated at the House' website. Are you watching it live? - Nw - |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 1:35:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's still showing as having its amendments debated at the House' website. Are you watching it live? - Nw - Yes, that is what I'm seeing too. https://app.leg.wa.gov/far/House/Calendar |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 2:35:10 AM EDT
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The bill with it's adopted striker amendment now reads as such:
" EFFECT: Eliminates the requirement that a dealer may not transfer a firearm to a person unless the person has a valid permit to purchase firearms, and removes all provisions of the bill that relate to permits to purchase firearms. Retains provisions that provide that a dealer may not transfer any firearm to a purchaser or transferee until: completion of a background check indicating the person is eligible to possess firearms; and 10 days have elapsed since the dealer requested the background check. Also retains provisions updating firearm transfer and background check processes, including updates to conform to the implementation of a state firearms background check program Retains the firearms safety training program as a requirement for the purchase or transfer of a firearm. Provides that a dealer may not transfer a firearm to a person unless the person provides proof of completion of a recognized firearm safety training program within the previous five years. Removes live-fire training from the required components of the firearm safety training program. Removes the requirement that the firearm safety training program must be certified by the Washington State Patrol as compliant with program requirements, and provides that proof of training must be in the form of a certification that states under penalty of perjury that the training included the minimum requirements. . . . Changes the effective date to January 1, 2024, rather than January 1, 2025." Mar 72nd substitute bill substituted (APP 23). (View 2nd Substitute) Rules suspended. Placed on Third Reading. Floor amendment(s) adopted. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 2:36:09 AM EDT
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Quote History Nevermind, just saw gunnys post above
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Posted: 3/8/2023 2:39:24 AM EDT
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So, is the newly adopted Amendment/Striker a poison pill for the hard-core anti's , hoping they'll just go away, or is it meant as a softer blow for the freedom minded folks ?
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Posted: 3/8/2023 2:44:56 AM EDT
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This fucking state…
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Posted: 3/8/2023 3:01:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The bill with it's adopted striker amendment now reads as such: " EFFECT: Eliminates the requirement that a dealer may not transfer a firearm to a person unless the person has a valid permit to purchase firearms, and removes all provisions of the bill that relate to permits to purchase firearms. Retains provisions that provide that a dealer may not transfer any firearm to a purchaser or transferee until: completion of a background check indicating the person is eligible to possess firearms; and 10 days have elapsed since the dealer requested the background check. Also retains provisions updating firearm transfer and background check processes, including updates to conform to the implementation of a state firearms background check program Retains the firearms safety training program as a requirement for the purchase or transfer of a firearm. Provides that a dealer may not transfer a firearm to a person unless the person provides proof of completion of a recognized firearm safety training program within the previous five years. Removes live-fire training from the required components of the firearm safety training program. Removes the requirement that the firearm safety training program must be certified by the Washington State Patrol as compliant with program requirements, and provides that proof of training must be in the form of a certification that states under penalty of perjury that the training included the minimum requirements. . . . Changes the effective date to January 1, 2024, rather than January 1, 2025." Mar 72nd substitute bill substituted (APP 23). (View 2nd Substitute) Rules suspended. Placed on Third Reading. Floor amendment(s) adopted. Under that new verbiage, the fellas at Sporting Systems in Vancouver that put together the on-line "Assault Weapons" training could possibly cobble together something to meet this standard. We lose on the ten day waiting period and whatever fuckery is involved with the new background check system still. - Nw - |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 3:05:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, is the newly adopted Amendment/Striker a poison pill for the hard-core anti's Quote HistoryQuoted: So, is the newly adopted Amendment/Striker a poison pill for the hard-core anti's Quoted: Under that new verbiage, the fellas at Sporting Systems in Vancouver that put together the on-line "Assault Weapons" training could possibly cobble together something to meet this standard. Wont matter if the AWB passes |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 3:10:34 AM EDT
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Didnt appropriations committee add an amendment, that even if it passes but if theres no funding by June 2023 the whole thing is dead?
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Posted: 3/8/2023 3:13:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Under that new verbiage, the fellas at Sporting Systems in Vancouver that put together the on-line "Assault Weapons" training could possibly cobble together something to meet this standard. We lose on the ten day waiting period and whatever fuckery is involved with the new background check system still. - Nw - Could? Nahhhhh . . . Did! And he's correct: This only step #2 of 4. Keep up the pressure, we're going to now be focusing on the senate.  |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 3:23:54 AM EDT
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So does the $25 permit replace the $18 per background check?
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Posted: 3/8/2023 3:33:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So does the $25 permit replace the $18 per background check? No permits. Evidence of having completed a training course in last 5 years at time of sale. Still have to fight this in the Senate as well. Don't stop writing your reps! - Nw - |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 3:43:50 AM EDT
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Wait, wut??!
So its gone from requiring a permit to purchase to only requiring training to purchase? |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 3:49:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, wut??! So its gone from requiring a permit to purchase to only requiring training to purchase? See GunnyG's post above. It's gone from a roundhouse kick in the face to a solid nut punch. Trying to find a positive side to a bad situation. - Nw - |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 5:53:14 PM EDT
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Don't worry, when I lived briefly in CA, the CCW class I took CA carry permit was only like $500.
Something something, disenfranchisement of the poors. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 6:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't worry, when I lived briefly in CA, the CCW class I took CA carry permit was only like $500. Something something, disenfranchisement of the poors. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 6:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, wut??! So its gone from requiring a permit to purchase to only requiring training to purchase? Every five years. Even I see the value of safety training but once somebody has learned how to safely handle a firearm they don't forget and whatever you try and teach them after 20 years of handling firearms is up against a lifetime of habits. This is just punitive and an effort to make it harder to buy a gun and any actual safety benefits to gun owners is accidental. If they wanted this to be common sense it would be once for life. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 6:40:36 PM EDT
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There’s an IG post by FPC that says if 1240 doesn’t pass by 5pm today it’s dead. However, I believe that was the same case last year with the mag ban. They introduced the bill at the time deadline then went into recess I think and ended up passing it close to midnight. I’m sure we’ll see the same shenanigans today.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cpi2MShKc1z/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 6:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s an IG post by FPC that says if 1240 doesn’t pass by 5pm today it’s dead. However, I believe that was the same case last year with the mag ban. They did the SAME EXACT THING with the permit to purchase bill last night. $100 says they'll sneak in the AWB at the 11th hr tonight. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 6:57:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, they introduced it last thing at the 11th hour and even extended to finish. They did the SAME EXACT THING with the permit to purchase bill last night. $100 says they'll sneak in the AWB at the 11th hr tonight. I'm not taking that losing bet. You are 100% correct, they will ramrod it through late tonight. I am curious to see if any amendments make it through like the permit to purchase bill. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 6:59:15 PM EDT
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I've honestly just stopped giving a fuck. I'm gonna do what I want to do. Try and stop me.
I feel bad for the young guys who don't have an ammo and parts fort already. Above all else.... I've shed my last tear for the fucking gun loving socialist morons over on r/WA_Guns who just can't believe that their leftist politicians don't agree with Marx that "under no pretext should arms and ammunition be frustrated" or whatever fucking stupid shit that greasy basement dweller wrote in his manifesto. Thanks for voting for these people because gay tranny ladyboy boners and abortions were more important to you. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 8:09:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've honestly just stopped giving a fuck. I'm gonna do what I want to do. Try and stop me. I feel bad for the young guys who don't have an ammo and parts fort already. Above all else.... I've shed my last tear for the fucking gun loving socialist morons over on r/WA_Guns who just can't believe that their leftist politicians don't agree with Marx that "under no pretext should arms and ammunition be frustrated" or whatever fucking stupid shit that greasy basement dweller wrote in his manifesto. Thanks for voting for these people because gay tranny ladyboy boners and abortions were more important to you. mancat you are spot-the-fuck on. After reading articles about fentanyl smoking running rampant on public transit without restraint plus the proposed closing of the king county jail in Seattle, it has been made abundantly clear there is NO concern for the common citizen and constitutional rights. I am done as well. I will carry on as if nothing has passed while planning my state exit strategy in advance of retirement. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 9:21:51 PM EDT
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RCW 43.01.020
Oath of office: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of the state of Washington, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of (name of office) to the best of my ability... Apparently not. Running away is not an option. We don't work for these creatures like they think we do. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 9:55:32 PM EDT
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And they're back from dinner
https://tvw.org/video/house-floor-debate-march-8-2023031225/?eventID=2023031225 |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 10:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: mancat you are spot-the-fuck on. After reading articles about fentanyl smoking running rampant on public transit without restraint plus the proposed closing of the king county jail in Seattle, it has been made abundantly clear there is NO concern for the common citizen and constitutional rights. I am done as well. I will carry on as if nothing has passed while planning my state exit strategy in advance of retirement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've honestly just stopped giving a fuck. I'm gonna do what I want to do. Try and stop me. I feel bad for the young guys who don't have an ammo and parts fort already. Above all else.... I've shed my last tear for the fucking gun loving socialist morons over on r/WA_Guns who just can't believe that their leftist politicians don't agree with Marx that "under no pretext should arms and ammunition be frustrated" or whatever fucking stupid shit that greasy basement dweller wrote in his manifesto. Thanks for voting for these people because gay tranny ladyboy boners and abortions were more important to you. mancat you are spot-the-fuck on. After reading articles about fentanyl smoking running rampant on public transit without restraint plus the proposed closing of the king county jail in Seattle, it has been made abundantly clear there is NO concern for the common citizen and constitutional rights. I am done as well. I will carry on as if nothing has passed while planning my state exit strategy in advance of retirement. If I saw the headline right, we can pass stupid bullshit gun control but the police still can’t pursue. I swear I saw that bill fail. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 10:45:09 PM EDT
[#26]
 How Washington's Assault Weapon Ban Is Going to Be Far Worse Than You Think |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 10:53:30 PM EDT
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So in order to pass an amendment you just need to yell louder?
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:04:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:23:25 PM EDT
[#29]
Well, they are on the third reading... and did NOT adopt the amendment to get rid of the Emergency clause from what it seems.
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:27:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So in order to pass an amendment you just need to yell louder? seems that way. good to know laws are passed in such a childish, informal way. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:29:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, they are on the third reading... and did NOT adopt the amendment to get rid of the Emergency clause from what it seems. You expected otherwise? |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You expected otherwise? This is just a dog and pony shit show. Everyones minds are already made up and the Majority rule is just waiting to ram it down the peoples throats. NOFX said it best "Majority Rule, dont work in mental institutions." |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:40:38 PM EDT
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The only thing worse than the law itself, will be the smug fucking smile on our Attorney General’s face when Inslee signs it.
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:43:27 PM EDT
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So where do we line up to be plaintiffs in the lawsuit? We need to fight this and fight it hard. We need to get hundreds of plaintiffs and turn this around.
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:51:42 PM EDT
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With all due respect I can't believe anyone here expected anything other than what is happening tonight.
These liberals governed through covid lockdowns and woefully high inflation and actually gained seats. The people pointing out that washington is a lost cause for the Second Amendment are absolutely correct. Inslee, laurie jinkins, ferguson and their party can do whatever they want and they want you disarmed and reliant on the government for your safety. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 12:20:15 AM EDT
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Passed 53 to 42
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Posted: 3/9/2023 12:23:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing worse than the law itself, will be the smug fucking smile on our Attorney General’s face when Inslee signs it. I am sure it may take a year or two to help us, but Miller v Bonta is still a thing. Also a magazine ban out of the same court. I accept this battle could be lost, but I refuse to concede this war. Especially when victories in far larger battles may be just over the horizon. Fuck them. I will not stop. I will not give up. I refuse to quit. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 2:30:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAny of us thats been reading this thing for the last few months already knew all that. Dont know why he waited till now to break that stuff down |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 2:52:29 AM EDT
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Because not everyone in the world knows everything like we do.
 Those that did not know, did not care. Warnings were shouted, e-mailed, semaphore flagged, Morse-coded, hand and arm signaled, texted, signal fire from mountain top to mountain top, NRA asking for money again. Now that their freedom has been hobbled, we will hear from them a simple sheep's bleet about how the grass is greener on the other side and that it "sucks" that we cant have "sick" guns like those other states who put more emphasis on freedom and liberties. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 3:03:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is just a dog and pony shit show. Everyones minds are already made up and the Majority rule is just waiting to ram it down the peoples throats. NOFX said it best "Majority Rule, dont work in mental institutions." Then like every other faux rebellious 90s punk act, they went on to be as pro establishment as anyone they used to hate |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 3:45:56 AM EDT
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Followup to his earlier vid today
 The Assault Weapon Ban Has Passed Out of the House. HB 1240 Late Updates |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 5:57:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I saw the headline right, we can pass stupid bullshit gun control but the police still can’t pursue. I swear I saw that bill fail. So then, throw guns in car & speed off? That's how the hoodies roll. Is that what they want? |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 11:40:32 AM EDT
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This sucks but if you have time, please send a short one or two sentence email thanking the pro 2nd Amendment politicians. I hope the CA bans are ruled unconstitutional soon. I think a judge in Illinois ruled that state’s ban is unconstitutional yesterday but I don’t know the details.
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Posted: 3/10/2023 4:32:47 PM EDT
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HB 1240 is on the move in the senate. First reading and referred to committee. Be advised.
Wa hb 1240 |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 4:39:25 PM EDT
[#45]
Thought this had to go through commitee/law and justice first??
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Posted: 3/10/2023 5:01:32 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HB 1240 is on the move in the senate. First reading and referred to committee. Be advised. Wa hb 1240 5078 has a hearing on March 14th. Here’s some information if anyone is thinking of attending. https://www.nrailafrontlines.com/wa_oppose_sb_5078_at_the_capitol |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 6:06:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thought this had to go through commitee/law and justice first?? It does. That’s the committee it was referred to. |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 9:40:00 PM EDT
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Scheduled for hearing in L&J Committee on March 23.
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Posted: 3/16/2023 5:03:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s their end game for us racist white magas. I got a email today from one of my reps (Maycumber) who said they are doing what they can, but with the numbers she’s not being hopeful. I did thank her for her honesty. It sucks they can do this to us, and drive business out of business. Aero won’t be here much longer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Careful! Posting that may get you a free ticket to the new democrat reeducation camps! That’s their end game for us racist white magas. I got a email today from one of my reps (Maycumber) who said they are doing what they can, but with the numbers she’s not being hopeful. I did thank her for her honesty. It sucks they can do this to us, and drive business out of business. Aero won’t be here much longer. @mstennes Why would Aero move? They just relocated a year or so ago. All their employees are here. They won't be able to sell to us WA residents, but moving wouldn't solve that. Look at other gun manufacturers over the last 50 years. They just don't sell to those of us who are betrayed by politicians. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 5:29:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @mstennes Why would Aero move? They just relocated a year or so ago. All their employees are here. They won't be able to sell to us WA residents, but moving wouldn't solve that. Look at other gun manufacturers over the last 50 years. They just don't sell to those of us who are betrayed by politicians. IIRC, the law bans manufacture in WA unless it’s for the purpose of LE or Mil sales. I could be wrong about that though. |
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