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3/28/2019 8:33:40 PM EDT
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Damn, that is ugly
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
3/29/2019 8:56:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 03RN:

Damn, that is ugly
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Yep their new roll marks are absolute shit.
3/29/2019 9:15:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob123456789:

Not anymore.  I went to pick up my brand new loaded today, already ordered the pach grips and some 47D’s, and this is what I got After all these years some fucking idiot at Springfield decided to change the rollmarks on us. So much for starting a clone. I’m really not a fan, I already emailed them complaining about it.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/154850/A0123E8F-7D4F-47CE-9FEB-D6C0B72E10F4_jpeg-893355.JPG
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Did it come out of the box loaded? If not, could it be false advertising for being unloaded?
3/29/2019 9:37:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bovw:
Did it come out of the box loaded? If not, could it be false advertising for being unloaded?
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Originally Posted By bovw:
Originally Posted By Rob123456789:

Not anymore.  I went to pick up my brand new loaded today, already ordered the pach grips and some 47D’s, and this is what I got After all these years some fucking idiot at Springfield decided to change the rollmarks on us. So much for starting a clone. I’m really not a fan, I already emailed them complaining about it.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/154850/A0123E8F-7D4F-47CE-9FEB-D6C0B72E10F4_jpeg-893355.JPG
Did it come out of the box loaded? If not, could it be false advertising for being unloaded?
Holy dog shit that is ugly....
"I do what I want" - Abu Hajar
3/29/2019 10:11:30 AM EDT
[#5]
Pic thread
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Wrong rear sight and trigger I know.
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
3/29/2019 12:56:51 PM EDT
[#6]
Sorry if this is a little off topic. I don’t mean to turn this thread into a bitch about Springfield thread but I figured it was a bit relevant and people should be aware of this if they are trying to make a clone.

The pictures on Springfields website as well as all distributors I’ve looked at still show the original roll marks. There’s no mention of any changes, but this appears to be the new thing. Obviously I would want to know what the thing I’m spending money on looks like before I make the decision to purchase

I have a hunch that maybe the Cali compliant models will continue to be the old roll marks since I believe any kind of changes to the gun including markings would remove it from their roster thing. I wouldn’t buy without having it confirmed with pictures or inspecting it in person though.
You show a 1911 to your friends, you show a Glock to your enemies.
3/29/2019 10:31:58 PM EDT
[#7]
The LGS I work part time at has one of these. It’s been there for quite awhile. Was thinking of putting it on layaway.
What do you guys think?

I have the newer colt M45 CQBP already.

Stick and train with the colt or get the Springfield as well?
3/29/2019 11:39:07 PM EDT
[#8]
I know it's subjective....but would you guys modify an original G.I. frame?  I came across one and I am on the fence as to whether or not I modify it for the Ed Brown grip safety.   I know it all depends on how far down the rabbit hole I want to take the build but any advice would be great.
3/30/2019 7:48:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnMH92:
The LGS I work part time at has one of these. It’s been there for quite awhile. Was thinking of putting it on layaway.
What do you guys think?

I have the newer colt M45 CQBP already.

Stick and train with the colt or get the Springfield as well?
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Which roll mark?
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
3/30/2019 9:58:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LongTrang:
I know it's subjective....but would you guys modify an original G.I. frame?  I came across one and I am on the fence as to whether or not I modify it for the Ed Brown grip safety.   I know it all depends on how far down the rabbit hole I want to take the build but any advice would be great.
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Personally, I absolutely would not if the frame is unmodified.  I would not think twice about using one that was stippled or otherwise modified, and there's plenty of those out there.
3/30/2019 12:06:20 PM EDT
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That's the direction I was leaning towards as well.  The frame is in beautiful condition.  Typical light wear.  It does have the idiot scratch.  The serial number range puts it at 1943 production.  I guess I'm restoring a 1943 Colt instead of building a MEU clone.  
3/30/2019 2:05:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 03RN:

Which roll mark?
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For the colt?
It’s not the original one. It’s the one with the new decobond with the darker bronze finish. Still awesome pistol.

For the Springfield? Unsure. I can get pics of it come this coming Thursday when I’m back
3/30/2019 2:24:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JSGlock34][Edited] [#13]
Terrible roll mark.
3/30/2019 2:40:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LongTrang:
I know it's subjective....but would you guys modify an original G.I. frame?  I came across one and I am on the fence as to whether or not I modify it for the Ed Brown grip safety.   I know it all depends on how far down the rabbit hole I want to take the build but any advice would be great.
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I would just do an early USASOC build.  I have one I built in the picture thread.  Novak's built  I know 2 GI 1911A1 pistols for 5th group that used a drop in beaver tail, Novak sights etc.
3/30/2019 3:12:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bovw][Edited] [#15]
Does it say unloaded on the other side? You could let people know what condition it’s in by which  side you face up.
3/30/2019 5:41:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hunterex:
Personally, I absolutely would not if the frame is unmodified.  I would not think twice about using one that was stippled or otherwise modified, and there's plenty of those out there.
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Originally Posted By Hunterex:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
I know it's subjective....but would you guys modify an original G.I. frame?  I came across one and I am on the fence as to whether or not I modify it for the Ed Brown grip safety.   I know it all depends on how far down the rabbit hole I want to take the build but any advice would be great.
Personally, I absolutely would not if the frame is unmodified.  I would not think twice about using one that was stippled or otherwise modified, and there's plenty of those out there.
I agree.  I couldn't bring myself to alter an unmodified frame.  I picked up a frame with stippling that could be completely covered by the Pachmayr grip and had this built by the gentleman that was making the PWS rear sights a few years ago.



3/30/2019 6:33:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By usnguns:

I agree.  I couldn't bring myself to alter an unmodified frame.  I picked up a frame with stippling that could be completely covered by the Pachmayr grip and had this built by the gentleman that was making the PWS rear sights a few years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/sHxb4QN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sokVy6D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1V6MP2Z.jpg
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I love this
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3/30/2019 11:24:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By usnguns:

I agree.  I couldn't bring myself to alter an unmodified frame.  I picked up a frame with stippling that could be completely covered by the Pachmayr grip and had this built by the gentleman that was making the PWS rear sights a few years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/sHxb4QN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sokVy6D.jpg
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Beautiful!!

Yes, I have decided to restore the 1943 frame to original WW2 specs.  I will stay on the hunt for a buggered G.I. frame or an early Springfield Loaded since it seems they have changed their roll mark.
4/4/2019 7:08:17 PM EDT
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The markings aren’t the same so I assume this is a seudo-clone?







It’s at the LGS I work part time at. It’s been here for awhile.
4/4/2019 7:45:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnMH92:
The markings aren’t the same so I assume this is a seudo-clone?

https://i.imgur.com/25bQLhP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/e0GxC8W.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BVJK0Fv.jpg

It’s at the LGS I work part time at. It’s been here for awhile.
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Just a second gen Springfield MC operator. Wish I had kept mine, solid blaster for the money, although the square rail first gen versions are my favorite
"I do what I want" - Abu Hajar
4/4/2019 7:57:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnMH92:
The markings aren’t the same so I assume this is a seudo-clone?

https://i.imgur.com/25bQLhP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/e0GxC8W.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BVJK0Fv.jpg

It’s at the LGS I work part time at. It’s been here for awhile.
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It's just the MC Operator. No clone.

I love mine though.
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"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
4/4/2019 8:30:03 PM EDT
[#22]
I was hoping you’d respond. That looks awesome. Might put it on layaway. Be a good partner to my colt M45

4/4/2019 8:36:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnMH92:
I was hoping you’d respond. That looks awesome. Might put it on layaway. Be a good partner to my colt M45

https://i.imgur.com/fB56RKH.jpg
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John,

Whats the part# on that holster?

Thanks
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4/5/2019 8:53:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bovw][Edited] [#25]
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I kept in the lookout for one, and it paid off. Last year I picked up one with the leg shroud complete for $30 on the state gun trader. Also found an FDE one for my Beretta M9a1 with light for $50 still in package on fleabay.
4/5/2019 5:40:00 PM EDT
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4/9/2019 9:09:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Leonitus][Edited] [#27]
My MEU(SOC) clone...



4/11/2019 12:38:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Leonitus:
My MEU(SOC) clone...

https://i.imgur.com/PGHiUg6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/decRBia.jpg
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Nice. Very nice.
4/11/2019 6:22:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BlackNoSugar:
Nice. Very nice.
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Originally Posted By Leonitus:
My MEU(SOC) clone...

https://i.imgur.com/PGHiUg6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/decRBia.jpg
Nice. Very nice.
“Nice, very impressive, but let’s see Paul Allen’s MEUSOC” ;)
"I do what I want" - Abu Hajar
4/18/2019 10:28:33 PM EDT
[#30]
To be considered a ICQB clone I’d need:
Novak sights
Ambi safety
MSH with lanyard loop
Correct?

Retired Army
You can’t be what you can’t see.
Some have been so busy being Democrat or Republican and forgot to be decent or American.
4/18/2019 11:57:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
To be considered a ICQB clone I’d need:
Novak sights
Ambi safety
MSH with lanyard loop
Correct?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/75B01FB4-BC5F-4C57-AF28-0E379596C0EF-917238.jpg
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I believe you also need pacmeyer grips as well
4/19/2019 7:30:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnMH92:
I believe you also need pacmeyer grips as well
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Originally Posted By JohnMH92:
Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
To be considered a ICQB clone I’d need:
Novak sights
Ambi safety
MSH with lanyard loop
Correct?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/75B01FB4-BC5F-4C57-AF28-0E379596C0EF-917238.jpg
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/EA00C23B-B8BC-442C-92C9-270978BA0F9C-917267.jpg
I believe you also need pacmeyer grips as well
The icqb typically had the G10

Looks good!
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
4/19/2019 12:39:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 03RN:

The icqb typically had the G10

Looks good!
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Thank you!
Retired Army
You can’t be what you can’t see.
Some have been so busy being Democrat or Republican and forgot to be decent or American.
4/19/2019 11:46:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JSGlock34][Edited] [#34]
For a ICQB clone you'd also need a Dawson Precision Rail and Wilson 47 (7 round) magazines.

(What level of accuracy are you aiming for?  If you're really picky, the ICQB didn't have front strap serrations.)
4/20/2019 12:41:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JSGlock34:
For a ICQB clone you'd also need a Dawson Precision Rail and Wilson 47 (7 round) magazines.

(What level of accuracy are you aiming for?  If you're really picky, the ICQB didn't have front strap serrations.)
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I’m pretty confused on what was delivered to the USMC.  So I’m more going for the “DET1” “U.S. Military Property USMC” marked ones you see for sale. I can’t find a Dawson rail and I have a Surefire MR07 if I want to run a light.
From page 1 of this thread.


ETA: pictures of the for sale Kimbers

Retired Army
You can’t be what you can’t see.
Some have been so busy being Democrat or Republican and forgot to be decent or American.
4/20/2019 12:46:20 AM EDT
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Still needs a lanyard loop and a bevel on the bottom of the grips as well.
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
4/21/2019 11:19:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JSGlock34][Edited] [#37]
The Vickers Guide: 1911 has good pics of the ICQB on pages 294-301.  This picture appears on 300-301.



There is an outstanding picture of the ICQB on page 147 of Edward Scott Meadows US Military Automatic Pistols (1945-2012) that shows the pistol in delivered form from Kimber and the replacement parts.

It'd be hard to source a pair of original Gunner Grips, but the VZ Simonich Grips are just about perfect.

4/21/2019 6:42:32 PM EDT
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I bought a new Springfield Loaded last month with the intention of it becoming an inexpensive MEUSOC copy.

I swapped out the FLGR for a GI one and some Pachmyers and went to the range. I could not hit anything I was aiming at, in stark contrast to my Colt CCG. Just in case it was the thicker grips, I bought a .45 cal laser boresight gadget and it seems that the bore is way high and to the right of the sights. I also bought a small pistol bench to shoot off of to confirm, however it's been raining on every day off I've had. I plan on documenting both the laser and some 230gr ball not going where I am aiming and then submitting it for a warranty claim.

Really my only concern is that they may replace my slide with the new roll marks.
6/15/2019 10:26:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OODA_Loop][Edited] [#39]
It begins...

Not an exact clone (EGW NM bushing, Kart NM barrel, Lippard hammer/sear, etc.) but going for a Variant 2 look.
The Kart barrels shoot great; I intend to melonite this barrel. When I took the photos, I hadn’t removed the innards yet; the stock disconnector was an asymmetric turd. Sights, grip safety and safety are bar-stock from KCs.

Edit: getting the earlier pattern grip (692-545-245/GM-45C).





6/16/2019 9:56:01 PM EDT
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Lookin’ good!
7/3/2019 3:50:14 AM EDT
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What flat mainspring housing with lanyard loop is everyone using right now? The only aftermarket one I see is the S&A one, and I've tried several of them and didn't like how they fit at all. They all appeared to be too "sunken in" in the frame and in some occasions, the mainspring pin holes didn't line up on my Springfields.
7/3/2019 9:34:35 AM EDT
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The most authentic thing to do is to flatten and Serrate an arched g.i. msh.

Kimber's Desert Warrior msh is flat with a loop, but checkered.
7/3/2019 4:13:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Modul4r:
What flat mainspring housing with lanyard loop is everyone using right now? The only aftermarket one I see is the S&A one, and I've tried several of them and didn't like how they fit at all. They all appeared to be too "sunken in" in the frame and in some occasions, the mainspring pin holes didn't line up on my Springfields.
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I’m using the S&A.
7/3/2019 8:07:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bovw:
I’m using the S&A.
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Originally Posted By bovw:
Originally Posted By Modul4r:
What flat mainspring housing with lanyard loop is everyone using right now? The only aftermarket one I see is the S&A one, and I've tried several of them and didn't like how they fit at all. They all appeared to be too "sunken in" in the frame and in some occasions, the mainspring pin holes didn't line up on my Springfields.
I’m using the S&A.
I love my 2 S&A in my loaded and mc operator
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
8/20/2019 4:26:25 PM EDT
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Here is one of mine
This was built by a 2112 at PWS
barsto barrel
and some other nice bits

this was as close to the variant that was used when i was on active duty as we could get

9/17/2019 7:25:42 AM EDT
[#46]
Some M45A1 action in here.

10/2/2019 8:11:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Almost build time, what are you guys using to post pics?
10/2/2019 8:58:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cone256:
Some M45A1 action in here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R07k9od-AOw
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That was great thanks!
10/2/2019 10:37:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cone256:
Some M45A1 action in here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R07k9od-AOw
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Lol...

The Glawk!!! mob in GD have assured us that the Marines aren’t using that “crappy” pistol anymore.
10/3/2019 9:23:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Toftwo:
Almost build time, what are you guys using to post pics?
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